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HDDVD DD+ Sample MKV - Can your setup bitstream this file?

Hi All,

Linked below is an MKV sample for an old HDDDVD. It uses DD+ 1.5Mbit with a higher than normal "Audio Frame Rate". My old Denon AVP-A1HD could play it as could a Marantz AV7701. An Arcam AV40, Emotiva XMC-2 and Anthem MRX520 cant play it. I'm interested in if the majority of receivers can or cannot handle it. So if you have 5 minutes spare and could post your receiver make and model and the result that would be good.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1lV...HpBFbsNHRLKtkw
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The link opened with YouTube, which doesn't support bit-streaming. Audio was the commentary track and sounded fine but YouTube audio is AAC I believe.
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The link opened with YouTube, which doesn't support bit-streaming. Audio was the commentary track and sounded fine but YouTube audio is AAC I believe.
The link opened a google drive share and let me download the file.
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My Pioneer VSX-524 bitstreamed the DD+ but the audio stuttered.

Mediainfo report.
Code:
General
Unique ID                                : 338012351938972871942856522311148981132 (0xFE4ACF9ED2C926E54253F0FA82934B8C)
Complete name                            : Liar Liar Sample - 1.5Mbit DD+ - Broken.mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 4
File size                                : 554 MiB
Duration                                 : 5 min 0 s
Overall bit rate                         : 15.5 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-01-11 15:35:15
Writing application                      : mkvmerge v38.0.0 ('The Silent Type') 64-bit
Writing library                          : libebml v1.3.9 + libmatroska v1.5.2

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : VC-1
Format profile                           : [email protected]
Codec ID                                 : V_MS/VFW/FOURCC / WVC1
Codec ID/Hint                            : Microsoft
Duration                                 : 5 min 0 s
Bit rate                                 : 13.7 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (23976/1000) FPS
Original frame rate                      : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Scan order                               : 2:3 Pulldown
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.276
Stream size                              : 492 MiB (89%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Audio #1
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : E-AC-3
Format/Info                              : Enhanced AC-3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital Plus
Codec ID                                 : A_EAC3
Duration                                 : 5 min 0 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 187.500 FPS (256 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : 3 ms
Stream size                              : 54.9 MiB (10%)
Title                                    : 3/2+1
Language                                 : English
Service kind                             : Complete Main
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Audio #2
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : E-AC-3
Format/Info                              : Enhanced AC-3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital Plus
Codec ID                                 : A_EAC3
Duration                                 : 5 min 0 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : 14 ms
Stream size                              : 6.87 MiB (1%)
Title                                    : 2/0
Language                                 : English
Service kind                             : Complete Main
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No

Menu
00:00:00.000                             : en:Main Titles: My Dad's a Liar
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The link opened a google drive share and let me download the file.
Oops, I've never used Google Drive and didn't notice the download icon.


I downloaded it this time and got the issue described above with the DD+ 5.1 stream with my Onkyo TX-SR805 using Kodi 18.5. The DD+ 2.0 commentary track bitstreamed perfectly though. I also have PowerDVD 19 (for when I need full menu support) and it played the 5.1 DD+ track flawlessly. Hmm...
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Oops, I've never used Google Drive and didn't notice the download icon.


I downloaded it this time and got the issue described above with the DD+ 5.1 stream with my Onkyo TX-SR805 using Kodi 18.5. The DD+ 2.0 commentary track bitstreamed perfectly though. I also have PowerDVD 19 (for when I need full menu support) and it played the 5.1 DD+ track flawlessly. Hmm...
Very interesting, thank you. The HDDVD player can play it back too without compatibility issues so I think both the player and Power DVD must be converting from 256SPF to 1536SPF before transmitting. Interestingly my old Denon AVP-A1 and a newer Marantz Prepro can play back the signal without conversion; maybe it is only D&M products that can play these without conversion.
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HD DVD inherits a lot of unnecessary garbage from DVD spec. The most anoying one is all movies on the disc are encoded as 1080i, 3:2 telecine is required for 24Hz films. So, part of the most important work of ripping a HDDVD is property de-interlace the stream. I suspect this has a lot to do with the audio stream as well.

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Works just fine on a Marantz AV-8805

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Out of curiosity I tried this file again on my bedroom set-up which has a Denon AVR-X1300W. Same problem with Kodi. I don't have PowerDVD on that PC so tried it with the Windows 10 built-in Movies & TV app and it bitstreamed just fine. Seems to be an issue with Kodi (versions 18.4 and 18.5, anyway), though I've never had problems on any other DD+ soundtracks with Kodi before (dating back to XBMC).


edit: So this seems to be an issue with later builds of Kodi. In my bedroom besides a dedicated HTPC I also have my desktop PC connected to the Denon. Since I rarely use this PC for AV (overclocked with fairly loud fans) I haven't updated Kodi since 16.1 and it had no issues playing the file. This PC has an AMD GPU vs. NVidia for the HTPCs but since we're talking about bitstreaming over HDMI that shouldn't make any difference.

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