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MadVR - HDR Settings

I thought it could be interesting to "compile" the settings AVS Forum members are using for MadVR HDR conversion.
In order to make this information useful, its important to clarify all the environment/display/details that provide the information to understand the settings used, and use some type of template like this:

- Display Model, display specific configuration
- Display calibration
- Screen Type, Size, etc
- Room conditions
- Distance from projector to screen
- GPU
- MadVR version

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- JVC X7900, Iris on -6 for HDR, -12 for SDR
- "Calibrated" with HD709 patterns only
- Da-Lite HD 0.9, 103" 2:35:1, using JVC mask controls to provide a constant 2:35:1 format
- Don't know the screen brightness, but guessing between 70 to 90 nits with the Iris on -6 (???)
- Black velvet tent room
- 3.8m from Projector to screen
- GPU - NVIDIA RTX 2060
- 113 beta version.

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Here's mine:

- JVC x770R (RS520). Low lamp, Auto Iris
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Looks great to my eye. A bit flickery with the Hill/Log Strong so I do plan on messing with that a bit. I don't quite get the relationship between Display Luminance and Dynamic Target Nits though, should I make changes to that?
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Please share your settings for JVC DLA x500/700/900 and 5000/7000/9000
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Here's mine:

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@neo_2009 The madvr beta version and screen brightness should also be mentioned. For older versions or maybe future, custom HSTM curves.

@Thrillho peak nits should be the nits of the screen and not be changed. Dynamic target nits controls the amount of HDR effect. Lower for lower HDR effect, higher for more.

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310cm / 10'.
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43 nits.
SmartEco (Dynamic) lamp.
113 beta version.

Soulnight's Mirror can sometimes flicker in bright areas, but I rarely see it and the contrast is nice.
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Please share your settings for JVC DLA x500/700/900 and 5000/7000/9000
I assume that in the same room, the settings for 5000/7000/9000, 5500/7500/9500, 5900/7900/9900 will be virtual identical.
For the older range the Display peak luminance will have to be lower, due to lower brightness capabilities in the older models.
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solid idea to make a thread that focuses on madvr settings (with screenshots), hopefully it becomes very populated!
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i think this is the first time i've seen a setting example with both "output video in hdr format" and "dynamic targets nits" checked?


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Here's mine:

- LG OLED65C8PLA (DTM: off)
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i think this is the first time i've seen a setting example with both "output video in hdr format" and "dynamic targets nits" checked?
That's because he is using madvr to bypass the DTM algorithm of his OLED LG TV and the way it handles extreme highlights. He basically squeezes the picture into his TV's capabilities.

That's not really a typical use case and the différence in picture quality is probably minimal and, i believe, limited to highlights scenes above 700 nits, which are not very common

On a side note, since many madvr new users will be tempted to check this thread, I think this thread OP should mention that "display peak nits" and "dynamic target nits" are personnal values that must not be blindly copied from one user to another...
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i think this is the first time i've seen a setting example with both "output video in hdr format" and "dynamic targets nits" checked?
We use MadVR the same way, with both checked. Found it gave better results for peak scenes in movies like HP4.

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That's because he is using madvr to bypass the DTM algorithm of his OLED LG TV and the way it handles extreme highlights. He basically squeezes the picture into his TV's capabilities.

That's not really a typical use case and the différence in picture quality is probably minimal and, i believe, limited to highlights scenes above 700 nits, which are not very common

On a side note, since many madvr new users will be tempted to check this thread, I think this thread OP should mention that "display peak nits" and "dynamic target nits" are personnal values that must not be blindly copied from one user to another...
interesting... and, fwiw, i certainly wasn't criticizing @sat4all setting(s), in fact i very much enjoy reading about the success some have with non-typical approaches, approaches that the majority may not be using or recommending, even out of the box approaches, lot's of ways to skin a cat when it comes to dialing in the image that makes you the most happy!
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fwiw, i certainly wasn't criticizing
And it was certainly not my intention to imply you were !
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After doing some messing around last night, I’ve landed on these settings and holy does it look amazing. This has me right on the edge of what my GTX1060 can do with NGU AA low chroma upscaling. Frame times are in the 38-39ms range.

Edit: Copied in my specs from my first post:

- JVC x770R (RS520). Low lamp, Auto Iris
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- 108" Elunevision Reference Cinema White (1.1 Gain)
- Blacked out, dedicated room
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@Thrillho , would you mind adding the information requested in the first post, in order to provide the context needed to understand your settings?
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After doing some messing around last night, I’ve landed on these settings and holy does it look amazing. This has me right on the edge of what my GTX1060 can do with NGU AA low chroma upscaling. Frame times are in the 38-39ms range.
I'm not sure about how these settings work together but does having a "dynamic target nits" value below "display peak nits" make any sense ?
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I'm not sure about how these settings work together but does having a "dynamic target nits" value below "display peak nits" make any sense ?
My "Dynamic Target Nits" is set to double my "Display peak nits" (180 v. 90). My peak nits was actually measured at about 93 but I rounded down to account for any measurement discrepancies. It does look considerably better with the dyanmic target over the display peak though, I'd been running it lower prior to last night and the additional "pop" is very noticeable.
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i think this is the first time i've seen a setting example with both "output video in hdr format" and "dynamic targets nits" checked?
Before madvr test build 91 "dynamic targets nits" setting was useless and harmful when using hdr output because the conversion from linear light to PQ used DTM selected target nits instead of the real display nits. now that have been corrected, it's safe to use both.

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That's because he is using madvr to bypass the DTM algorithm of his OLED LG TV and the way it handles extreme highlights. He basically squeezes the picture into his TV's capabilities.

That's not really a typical use case and the différence in picture quality is probably minimal and, i believe, limited to highlights scenes above 700 nits, which are not very common
LG's DTM increases overall brightness of everything over 100 nits, crash shadow details, saturation problems with highlights colors...sorry but it's useless if you are a purest and care about creator intent.
In my opinion the differnce in picture quality madVR DTM makes is realy day and night even for a 700nits display.

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I'm not sure about how these settings work together but does having a "dynamic target nits" value below "display peak nits" make any sense ?
"dynamic target nits" setting have nothing to do with your display peak nits, the values you enter there it's not in "nits" it's "%".
madshi described it as simply a matter of taste control. and suggest 75 as a starting point, if you're not sure which value to choose. Then, if you find medium and high brightness scenes maybe a tad too dark overall, lower the DT value. If you find them maybe a tad too bright, increase the DT value.
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The recommend DT range is probably in the range 50-150. I don't think I would go higher, even for very bright displays.

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"dynamic target nits" setting have nothing to do with your display peak nits, the values you enter there it's not in "nits" it's "%".
madshi described it as simply a matter of taste control. and suggest 75 as a starting point, if you're not sure which value to choose. Then, if you find medium and high brightness scenes maybe a tad too dark overall, lower the DT value. If you find them maybe a tad too bright, increase the DT value.
Is there a post like this that summarizes all of the settings?
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Is there a post like this that summarizes all of the settings?
Nothing that i remember, but with the release of madVR Envy, an official documentation would be available.

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Nothing that i remember, but with the release of madVR Envy, an official documentation would be available.
Hmm, what about values to use for sky stength, max width, hill height, m1/m2, and shadow recovery?
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Anyone have NX5/NX7 settings to share?
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Anyone have NX5/NX7 settings to share?
What should be said is these settings are not the standard for each projector setup, it's for each individual's personal preference.

You can't just copy the settings, you have to understand what they do and adjust them to your liking.
They are just examples.

Not just that, but each setup is different, not to mention the variance between the projector's themselves.
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Anyone know know you get HSTM settings to show up? I have version 113 and I don't have the HSTM option.
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Anyone know know you get HSTM settings to show up? I have version 113 and I don't have the HSTM option.
HSTM is now a drop down list labeled "contrast recovery" located between "highlight recovery" and "shadow recovery".
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We use MadVR the same way, with both checked. Found it gave better results for peak scenes in movies like HP4.

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MadVR 113
Why would you put peak at 500 nits ? Specific reason ? I usually read values of around 120 nits for setups with a 6050.
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Very cool thread. I didn't realize the newer betas have more settings. Although I have no idea what they do.

I only have an LCD but I still prefer madvr's DTM a little better than just passthrough. I'll do some more playing today and post my settings.

EDIT## Is there some recommended source material/scenes/demos that are good for changing DTM settings on the fly. I do not have the popular UHD calibration disc that many folks use.

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Why would you put peak at 500 nits ? Specific reason ? I usually read values of around 120 nits for setups with a 6050.
We are sending HDR instead of SDR from MadVR. Tried different settings with SDR and never landed on one better than what I posted.

Our 6050 is setup with modified HarperVision gamma curve, looks amazing!

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Interesting, I thought one of the main features of madVR was to output HDR content in SDR for projectors and then tonemap it ? Why would you output in HDR to the 6050 ?
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That's true, most go HDR->SDR route. We use it to tone map HDR down to our projectors levels, the settings posted are our sweet spot. We find it gives the best HDR performance so far.

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