Sorry for the late replys guys,
Ironically, i had massive pc trouble this week on my work pc.
Printer all of sudden would not print anymore.... after 9 hours of trying different drivers, network settings etc. I worked out its because win 10 auto updated 2 days ago and has a bug for Brother branded printers.. and i needed the printer for work..... i cant explain the amount of swearing that happened the last few days. lol
Thanks Rekbones, i think the way to go is spending the money on the GPU
Originally Posted by Gary Mertz
You have it right about CPU and GPU usage.
has good input. The only thing I want to clarify is that there are indeed Ryzen chips that have integrated graphics. Some have the Vega GPU cores, pretty darned fast for an integrated solution. I wouldn't at all be worried about integrated graphics going out. If the graphics go out you'll lose the whole CPU and that's really not more likely than if your CPU died without having integrated graphics. Cooling is key, always has been. Sounds like you've got a good number of fans. I'd recommend a push-pull to move a lot of air through the case.
I am an Athlon convert. I used to be an Intel guy until AMD decided to knock them off. You certainly go with your i7, that's probably plenty of power for 24 Hz, I just don't know about pushing 60. I'm not familiar with your boards but if you just want to go with a new card then the 1080 would be a great idea. I'm not sure about your PCIe lanes on those boards. Ideally you want to hook into the highest number you can get into. A new board will also give you access to potentially blistering transfer rates with the M2 NVMe, which is easily significantly faster than any SATA connection. Those boards don't have to be very expensive. I've got one machine here I built that is just an ASRock B450 board that ran me about $80 if I'm remembering correctly. Pair that with a Ryzen 5 2400G and you're rolling.
The reason I recommend a whole new machine is simply to give yourself some additional headroom. You could sell those 2 CPUs and use the money for a faster Ryzen. I like to try to build my machines so that I don't feel like I need to upgrade them every other year. Also as mentioned if you end up wanting to run 4k at a higher refresh rate you'll need a bit more power.
Or you could just go with a Threadripper with a X570 chipset mobo and a Nvidia Titan RTX and blow everything out of the water!
So you've got a ton of potential solutions. Any additional thoughts on which solution you are going to go with?
Thanks for your help Gary. Also i got the case wrong... the case i have here does 5 x 120mm fans.. but im going to have to change that to go a smaller depth case. The new case has 1 x 120mm and 3 x 140mm .. so i think that will still be ok, what do you think? And your definitely right, cooling is the most important thing.. i always max out the cases with fans.
Case is a coolermaster NR400. Havnt bought yet but will when im getting ready to build it. I picked this because it is only 411 deep, which will suit the 450mm cabinet its going in, and has 4 x 3.5 hdd spots + spots for 2.5 ssd... and funny enough.. it has a spot for the cdrom. So many cases dont have them these days.
The mboard i got here for the gen 3 i7 is an Asrock H77m.
Just checked out the specs. Its got 1 x PCIE 3.0 x 16. Thats perfect as 1050 ti, 1070, and 1080 is PCIE 3.0 x 16
That works well. And the case graphics card length supports upto 346mm . so far.. everything is going to plan.. im waiting for the hiccup somewhere
I wasnt planning on going the M2 NVME way, i think that might be a little further than id want to go.
For transfer of files, it doesnt worry me it has to wait a little longer to transfer the file, but will Sata 3 and sata 2 keep up with playing the video file?
So with getting a 1070,80 card, and the older i7, im pretty confident it will play the 24hz without hiccups.
Im gonna ask a dumb question now. What runs at the hz from 24 to 60hz?
You are right about not wanting to upgrade them all the time.... believe me i fully agree.. with me.. its not so much building them.. its the installing of the software. Oh man it takes a good 2 days to go through and install everything from fresh. If i didnt have these parts here, i would straight just get all new gear and be done with it.. but being i have them.. if i can make them work fine.. i might aswell use them..
Originally Posted by jayf95
Gary almost certainly has far greater technical expertise on this than I do, but to me, his suggestions are overkill for an HTPC. Hell, a Ryzen 5 + 1080 is a pretty decent gaming rig and would be quite expensive, as you'd basically have to start from scratch.
To put it into perspective, I have a Ryzen 3600 on an x570 board with 16gb of ram and a 1070 and can play back 4k HDR content perfectly fine at 24hz. At 60hz, its a bit sketchy, but I don't really have good source material to test (some works fine some doesnt). On my previous system, I had an i5-2500k with the same 1070 and only 8gb of ram. Even then, I could still play 4k HDR content perfectly fine, as the gpu did most of the work (I assume).
You also have to consider how often your parents will be playing 4k content. If its just 1080p or less typically, onboard graphics on your cpu will handle it fine and you don't need a fancy gpu (at least this was the case with my 2500k before I got my 1070). Idk how competent your parents are with tech, but I know many people who wouldn't be able to tell the difference between 4k and 1080p (HDR is the bigger difference maker imo). That said, its probably best to plan for the future and play it safe, but your best bet may just be to invest in a gpu. Idk whether the 1050ti will cut it (not saying it wont, I honestly don't know) but I think it'd work fine with the i7 cpu you already have (assuming the board has room for a gpu).
The other issue with going with an amd build is that none of the ryzen chips have onboard graphics (afaik
). So if the gpu dies, the HTPC is useless until you get a new gpu. At least with an i7 build, you can still use the htpc with onboard graphics.
Thanks for your input, its a big help to be able to compare a very similiar pc. Much apreciated
I too am suprised of how much power is needed to play the 4k. I thought if you were encoding it or playing games, yes fully understand the need of the power.... i just didnt realise how much power you actually needed to play them
I be honost with you.. i barely tell the difference between 1080 and 4k and i barely tell the difference between 720 and 1080
. Or its just im not bothered by it and 720 is enough for me... but i am talkin about on my 50 inch plasma screen... obviously the larger the screen the better the quality needs to be. What i am fussy on.. and stupidly fussy is sound.
I will watch a bad video quality movie no problems, but I cannot watch a bad sound quality movie.
Ill be honost, i dont know if my parents will see the different between the 1080 and 4k, but the reason i am gearing up for the 4k, is because the projector does 4K. And while they might not watch every movie in 4K, it would be such a waste to have a projector that can handle 4k and not have the player that can play the projector at its potential when they would like to.
Second stupid question for this post..
Can you please explain 4k and 4k HDR.
I am so confused by the two. I thought 4k = HDR..., but now im just realising 4k = UHD
Can you guys explain to this outdated caveman the difference
Thanks again for you help guys