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Ken,

I've sent you two emails over the last couple weeks but haven't heard back from you. Can you please send those pics to me?

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Hotmail will not allow JPEG shots to be transferred. I have tried for many folks. You will have to send me a standard address. I have not done this mod to the cybetainment card you sent me...heck, I haven't had the time to get it running in my PC yet! I should try this afternoon, though. I must get a look at the cybertainment card, to see where it stands. Availability of this card in Canada... may be a problem. I sure would like to use it for the folks who don't want or need the tuner fucntion. It would be noticably cheaper. I pay $90 cdn (after taxes) for each zoltrix card I buy to modify. Figure out the finances. It ain't cheap, but it's the only game in town..and I don't think that any manufacturer is going to go as far as I do to 'get it right' without making the input card PROPRIETARY in nature..and build it out of "unobtainium". TAW comes to mind, as well as others.


I'm on a mission..relatively speaking. I am actively making the PC platform a high quality platform for video use..to the general builder, by basically giving away the cards I make, without making the thing into a 'proprietary' set-up.

I WILL be publishing mind-blowing HTPC's as soon as I can, but must get FCC and CTRC and UL and CSA approval first..a VERY expensive thing to be doing. In the meantime, I am infecting the idea of quality into the PC marketplace. Thus, pushing what you get...a year from now...far ahead of where it would normally be (that year from now).

Did you know, that most of the folks (approximately half!!!) getting the card from me are DIRECTLY in the industry?? I don't have to sell it to them, but...what the heck.

Seeding the industry.... it's gotta come from somewhere.

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I have sent you a couple of emails too. I am interested in one of your capture cards!

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KBK any news if this mod will work on cybertainment cards
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Once again.. if the cybertainment cards are having a SIMILAR 10-bar horizontal noise on NTSC sources (timing specific noise character).. then there is NO reason why it should not work there as well. The secondary clock for the I2C bus is there on the cybertainment. it is near the composite inputs (AV1, and AV2) and might affect them. probably to a higher degree than the s-video input. It appears to be a proximity problem.


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Just send me an e-mail, asking for the mod pics for the vertical noise bar solve, and I send it off. only takes me a few seconds....

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Ken,

How far along is the TV Card I ordered from you? I have sent you several emails over the past few days and not gotten a response. It has been nearly a month -- I am anxious to see what everyone is talking about.

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Yours, is of course, of the latest generation, and it is going out today. I was going to email you last night, but was going to wait until I had a tracking number.

Pardon me,I had the stupidity to get an actual job, just for the heck of it. The phone rang, as I was going out the door one day.. about 3.5 weeks ago. 'Interview?' they said. 'Yeah', I said. At interview: "job?", they said... "yeah", I said.

Suddenly, I am stuck in an office...the most unfamiliar space for me. Horror of horrors. And.. I'm in an office of 1200 people. And, I managed to have most of the people there know who I am.. already. And I am trying to pull my horns in...but they keep poking out. The human resources manager has aready told me 4 or five times that she's 'keeping her eye on me'.

And, I have already made fun 'with' the operations manager on many occasions. You see, he looks like David Byrne, of the Talking Heads. So, the first time I see him, I say, 'hey!, it's Dave!' I start singing 'burning down the house'... Then, on the third-fourth time, I am singing 'psyco killer...'. Turns out his name IS Dave....and he's the boss. Whoops! Ah. I don't care, and they know it.

I won't be long there. I find office spaces ridiculiously stifling. No doubt they want me there... but I don't know if I can handle it.

The pawn shop was more fun. I had to do battle with crackheads, inbreds, and illiterates. They where at least unpredictable and entertaining in their stubborn stupidity.

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Ken,

I don't know wether to wish you congratulations or commiserations... I too am afflicted and have an aversion to the 'J' word... I have no problem working but just cant do it for others (did not play well with others would be a fine epitaph https://www.avsforum.com/ubb/wink.gif)...

For me luckily one of my endless get rich quick schemes finally came through so maybe the curse of Lono is a blessing after all...

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I actually came in here about half an hour ago to thank you Ken, for the thread, and the pictures.
However the last two posts had me laughing so hard I had to leave.
The mod went without a hitch, and the noise is gone.
Much better, so I ordered HBO to get ready for this miniseries they're starting (Band of Brothers, a Speilberg/ Hanks collaboration)
This thread has grown alot since I last read it...looks like there's something new here.
I gotta go relax for awhile, will see what's happened here tomorrow!

Thanks again, Kenny
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KBK, have you got confirmation whether the PAL based cards you now have really do PAL?

And what's the status w WDM drivers on these?

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This answer should be very telling...

What's a WDM Driver?


Also, I just got in a TVView99 card for modification and it's going to the UK. Ithas the I2C clock on it,and a 11 meg crystal,and the usual 28 meg crystal. The extra 11 meg crystal makes me tink it does PAL tuner fucntion as well.. but canot be fully poven until someone does the experiment. I do not have that capacity. Nevertheless, it is a well laid out card, and modification does serve well with it as well. The images off of Craig Crane's site where taken with one of these cards.
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As usual.. I have improved the image quality from the card further.... so, this improvment will be in all cards going out from this date. If you have not recieved your card yet.. it will have this 'extra' (again!.. isn't that the way it always is!..) level of improvment.

As a matter of fact, David, it's a good thing I have been negligent in sending out your card.. I am opening the box and correcting it as well, and THEN sending it out this afternoon.

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comeon guys somebody must have webspace or something they could up these piccys too....
i really wanna see them..
pleasee.....
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SpiderGEC,

I'd be glad to make some STUNNING KBK modded Zoltrix screenshots on DScaler, if someone could link to a shareware to take those screenshots at scaled resolution with DScaler (I tried its version 3.0.6 screenshot option without results).

The source will be NTSC Laserdiscs played through a Monster Video 3 S-VHS cable into Ken's card, using a Pioneer HLD-X9 LD player.

I'll even try to include anamorphically reprocessed (vertically stretched) 4:3 images of letterboxed movies to view by reducing the vertical height of your computer monitor's display. https://www.avsforum.com/ubb/wink.gif

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Quote:
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As a matter of fact, David, it's a good thing I have been negligent in sending out your card.. I am opening the box and correcting it as well, and THEN sending it out this afternoon.

Great... I will post a review as soon as I get a chance to play with it. Looking very much forward to this weekend :>.

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I have a decent PAL videotape collection and a few multi-standard decks, if you need someone to make sure that the card can handle PAL.
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I had an interesting conversation at CEDIA with a electronics manufacturer. They have produced products that have been very successful with the HTPC crowd. Their facility is optimized for fairly small runs - their average product run it ~2000 units.

I mentioned the work KBK has done improving BT878 cards, and raised the possibility of their producing a BT878 card incorporating these mods. Fixing a problem after the fact is usually more expensive than doing it right the first time.

Is there interest? Ken, would you be interested in doing this?
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What's a WDM Driver?

But it has a bt878 and an MSP34** chip?

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I wouldn't mind getting in on the design of such a card, but it might be better to base it on the Sage chip....

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Wooo - this is history in the making!

Now that there is proof that PC video acquisition can be clean (thanks to Ken) and without undue noise from its Bus or other forms of interference: a KBK designed input card using the Sage Fli2200 deinterlacing would be something to die for! Lucky for us that we've got our "caped crusader". https://www.avsforum.com/ubb/wink.gif

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For those of you expecting a delivery of a modified card.. delivered into the states.. It might be a bit slow in the delivery, due to the situation regarding international parcels getting into the states. Sorry! not much I can do about it.

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KBK,

I'd love to see a pic or instructions on how to mod the Cybertainment card.

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OK. i'll pull it out of the box and look at it.

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Well, i hate to say this.. but it looks like the noise may not be curable in the cybertaimment card. the only alternative might be by giving it a better grounding scheme than it has. it appers to be a true multi layer board design (more than two-internal layers are present) and bad layout has killed it. perhaps this is why they dumped it. Too bad, for this level of pricing it was a wel, built board. I now i am sounding a bit duplicitious, but.. it may be incurable due to the inner layers of the boaord carrying sensitive signals too near the I2C clock chip. There's nothing to get at, and no-where to solder a better grounding scheme to.

The Zoltrix is at least curable. Krag should be getting his card back any day. It should have been into the states before this situation arose, so it should be there by now. Then we will see how he likes it in comparison to the Falcon card he has.

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Better change this topic to
"vertical noise bars killed for _SOME_ capture cards!"

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... ouch!! ...



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Sure, its a disappointment to some folks, but there IS a solution - Ken's fab modded Zoltrix card: definitely worth any kind of wait, your patience will be rewarded!

While it is a small expense, it affords you quality scaling capabilities for external sources previously only hoped for.

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I am waiting for the canadian and U.S. postal services to truck KBKs refixed card to my house. But am I the only one that had issues with KBK's card and noise?

Maybe others with no noise problems can post their power supply setups to help those cards that cannot be fixed.

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