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Tsantsa 03-07-2007 08:29 PM

I'm sure this has been asked, but are there any places that someone can get a prebuilt HTPC? I don't mean a tivo, or the comcast boxes, but a real HTPC. I'd like to build one, but I just don't have the time to put into it...

Logic_BomB 03-08-2007 05:07 PM

I'm looking into the GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 (rev. 1.0) mobo but from the diagrams I've been looking at in the user manual, it looks like there might not be enough clearance between the CPU and video card.

Im looking at a fanless video card (either a gigabyte 7600GT or a xfx 7600gt fatal1ty edition) and I was wondering if anyone could chime in with whether or not there will be enough room to fit safely?

Logic_BomB 03-09-2007 07:24 AM

Wow, been a while since I've built a computer - forgot the cards face downwards... from the measurements I got it shouldn't be an issue at all.

audionewer 03-09-2007 08:12 AM


archibael 03-09-2007 11:28 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by archibael View Post

Don't know if this is the right place for it, but Intel just released their second set of Vista drivers (15.2) for their G965 motherboards. There's a BIOS upgrade as well. Included HDMI audio drivers remain unchanged.

Also, something new included called "TVWizard", but I haven't tried it out yet. Hopefully it helps rather than hinders HTPC development work.

And now the 14.27 graphics/video drivers for XP are available as well.

DONRON9 03-09-2007 11:38 PM

the AnandTech test doesnt say anything about how many MB grafic memory there is on the grafic cards tested
so how can i be sure that 320MB is enof


cheers and thanks a million 4 the guide

webrant 03-10-2007 02:38 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by archibael View Post

And now the 14.27 graphics/video drivers for XP are available as well.

I cant understand how Intel can still say that they got hardware Vertex Shader support in the G965 range when it's still not in the drivers 8 months after the release. Shameful

archibael 03-10-2007 07:23 AM

I am displeased with the situation as well, and so is upper management. There does seem to be some progress now, as seen in the Tom's Hardware article recently and in the included link.

Intel's very aware of this from a marketing perspective, and recently has escalated this to higher levels and seems (to me) to finally be taking this seriously. But that's not an excuse, just a suggestion that I think this will change for the better in the future.

DONRON9 03-10-2007 10:28 AM

nr.5

renethx 03-16-2007 10:07 AM

A French guy posted a nice review on Core 2 Duo mATX motherboards including abit Fatal1ty F-I90HD:

Monter un PC matx Ã* base de C2D: petit mais costaud! f-i90HD

It includes the link to a modded BIOS for F-I90HD. So far the max FSB with E4300 is 374MHz (= 3.37MHz). This is the best overclocking LGA775 mATX motherboard. A minor problem is that the SATA1 port is blocked when GeForce 8800 GTS is inserted.

audionewer 03-16-2007 10:16 AM

The X1250 does NOT support HD-DVD or Blu-ray decoding. The GPU core is just not fast enough to handle the H.264 off loading and as such I feel the HDMI and HDCP support is really just fluff. Sticking with VGA and DVI would have been fine for most users.

renethx 03-16-2007 10:23 AM

A major price-cut of quad-core processors in Q3 2007:



Source: Intel進入1333MHz FSB時代

Quad-core is an overkill for a HTPC, however.

Valnar 03-16-2007 11:16 AM

renethx,

Any chance you can update the spreadsheet in the first post with new motherboard information? I know that Gigabyte has come out with some new revisions of existing boards. I'm sure there are others.

I was wondering where you got your data from, because its hard for me to tell from their web site if any main chips (audio, SATA, etc.) have changed to warrant a new revision.

-Robert

renethx 03-16-2007 12:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valnar View Post

renethx,

Any chance you can update the spreadsheet in the first post with new motherboard information? I know that Gigabyte has come out with some new revisions of existing boards. I'm sure there are others.

I was wondering where you got your data from, because its hard for me to tell from their web site if any main chips (audio, SATA, etc.) have changed to warrant a new revision.

-Robert

I am updating the spreadsheet and should be able to upload it sometime next week.

The only difference between GIGABYTE rev 1.0/2.0 and rev 3.3 is the native support for FSB 1333MHz processors. The following article may be helpful:

VR-Zone - Interview with Gigabyte United

Quote:


What did you do to get native 1333FSB support on your 965P revision 3.3 boards?

So far only 975X can support 1333FSB. We tried unlocking 1333FSB through BIOS but the end results are not ideal. Therefore, we re-routed the circuitry and added more components.

Quote:


The maximum clock speed ran completely stable at 3.00 GHz with Core 2 Duo processor with no voltage increase.

Quote:


Memory speed = 333 MHz (bus speed) x 2.5 (multiplier) = 833 MHz


renethx 03-16-2007 12:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by audionewer View Post

The X1250 does NOT support HD-DVD or Blu-ray decoding. The GPU core is just not fast enough to handle the H.264 off loading and as such I feel the HDMI and HDCP support is really just fluff. Sticking with VGA and DVI would have been fine for most users.

The above statement is cited from the following aricle. (I wish he stated so.)

PC Perspective - Asus M2A-VM AMD 690G Motherboard Review (March 15, 2007)

Quote:


Conclusions and Final Thoughts

Features

The AMD 690's best features are the built-in support for HDMI and DVI right from the graphics logic; though the Asus model test here doesn't have HDMI, it does have DVI with HDCP support. Having this option for users looking to build an HTPC system should be a big plus -- with one caveat. The X1250 does NOT support HD-DVD or Blu-ray decoding. The GPU core is just not fast enough to handle the H.264 off loading and as such I feel the HDMI and HDCP support is really just fluff. Sticking with VGA and DVI would have been fine for most users.

The rest of the chipset is pretty standard but includes enough options to keep most budget users and business users satisfied.

AnandTech - AMD 690G: Performance Review stated a similar claim, but also said, "AMD has indicated that this issue will be addressed in a future driver and the chipset is fully capable of 1080p output with an upper end CPU and proper software support."

dmce 03-17-2007 05:59 AM

The 1080P is something im keeping a close eye on.

The MCP68 is due in April. Looks similarly specd as the 690G. Possibly better image quality, and uses purevideo. Here are some of the upcoming boards:

* Biostar TF7050-M2 (GeForce 7050+nForce 630a)
* Jetway M28GT3-HG (GF7050-630A)
* Gigabyte GA-M68SM-S2 (GeForce 7025+nForce 630a)
* MSI K9NGM3 (GeForce 7050 SE+nForce 630a)
* ECS MCP68M-M (GeForce 7050 SE+nForce 630a)
* WinFast MCP68M2MA-8EKRS2H (GeForce 7050+nForce 630a)
* Abit AN-M2HD (GeForce 7050+nForce 630a)
* Abit AN-M2 (GeForce 7050+nForce 630a)

Can anyone confirm if MCP68 (Geforce 7050/630a) is an updated 6100/405 chipset? Is this the same for the MCP73? Im confused on these issues.

There is also the MCP73 for Intel CPUs

* ECS MCP73T-M (GeForce 7050/nForce 630)
* Winfast? MCP737MA
* MSI P6NGM

renethx 03-17-2007 07:52 AM

There is no confirmation, but

MCP73 = MCP68 + (single-channel) memory controller,

apart from the different CPU bus interfaces (HyperTransport vs. FSB).

Joco1114 03-19-2007 08:24 AM

I would like to buy an Asus M2A-VM HDMI mobo. What are the experiences? Is it enough to play 1080p movies over HDMI? How much is the processor load? Which processor do you recommend?

Sorry about my english and the silly questions, I am newbie in here, I was a reader before.

Joc

renethx 03-19-2007 12:27 PM

mATX Roundup

"AMD keeps telling me that 1080P is fine once they have driver support for it."

Perhaps X2 5000+ (2.6GHz) or above. AnandTech 690G review used X2 5200+, but with "some severe choppiness or blank screen issues with HD media formats at 1080p" (720p worked fine).

Joco1114 03-19-2007 01:13 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

"AMD keeps telling me that 1080P is fine once they have driver support for it."

Perhaps X2 5000+ (2.6GHz) or above. AnandTech 690G review used X2 5200+, but with "some severe choppiness or blank screen issues with HD media formats at 1080p" (720p worked fine).

Well, thanks. It's sounds like I have to buy an external videocard (an 7600GT for example) to play HD files. Can you help me to select a good example config? (mobo, videocard, sound card, processor)

Joc

renethx 03-19-2007 02:13 PM

What is your budget? Do you prefer AMD?

Joco1114 03-19-2007 03:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

What is your budget? Do you prefer AMD?

Budget is good... ;-) I need a futureproof HTPC computer with AMD or Intel (same good for me) for the next 2-3 years.

Joc

renethx 03-19-2007 06:19 PM

Then one of the most poplular combinations is

CPU: Core 2 Duo E6600 (the price will be $224 at April 22)
MB: ASUS P5B Deluxe (with or without WiFi-AP) or P5W DH Deluxe
Memory: DDR2-800 1GB x 2 (for example Corsair XMS2)

They are powerful enough to serve you for the next couple of years. Video card is GeForce 7600 GT or higher (7xxx series will be replaced by 8xxx in April). I am not sure which sound card to choose...

pete4 03-19-2007 07:15 PM

Actually I went with following:
CPU: C2D E6400 OC to 3 GHz
MB: Asus P5B-E
Memory: DDR2-800 1 GB

With Asus Mobo you can overclock E6400 to 3GHz without much trouble
One advantage Deluxe has over plain P5B is memory voltage, Deluxe can go up to 2.3V, where P5B-E stops at 2.1v, but that's either for extreme overclocking or some high voltage, high speed memory which C2D doesn't really need. Yes, prices will go unreal for C2D soon and I'm thinking about upgrading to quad, I believe they use same 775 socket.

Ken S 03-20-2007 01:01 PM

I purchased a 7600 gt AGP a month ago hoping that my pc would hold out for awhile using old board and cpu. Well it will not play HD material. Dvd and Avi files work great.

CPU 2600+ amd Sempron SKT A
Memory 512 pc3200 DDR 200 mhz
Board Asus a7n8x-e
ATX

I know that this is not even close to what i need to play Hd. I would like to keep my gfx AGP card. I noticed on the first page of this thread mentioned the low end ASROCK 4 core Dual for Intel was the only option for the aged AGP card. I would use either Amd or Intel i am looking for "best bang for the buck" and still use my agp card. I was curious if it was possible to use a Pentium D 915 Presler 2.8GHz 2 x 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor and 1 or 2 gigs of inexpensive ram to play the HD material or get me by. I am not looking for the screaming biggest and the best im looking for something that will work.

I just spent money on a HD 720p projector,screen cables switcher so I am trying to do this spending the least amount of money and it will get me by until next year. Any advice would be great!

Powerage 03-20-2007 01:12 PM

What do you guys think of the (( ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA LGA 775 VIA PT880 Ultra))

At first glance it looks like its older brother with a handy 16x slot.

Anyone have this new one in service?

After reading the following review looks like its still 4x sorry for the Newegg False Alarm.

http://www.ocworkbench.com/2006/asro...al-vsta/b8.htm

ench 03-20-2007 08:51 PM

This is the most impressive and up to date thread on HTPC anywhere on the planet.
Very nicely done.

renethx 03-20-2007 11:07 PM

Ken S,

I don't know if Pentium D 915 (2.8GHz) is enough to play HD contents. According to NVIDIA Checklist for Building a PC that Plays HD DVD or Blu-ray Movies, the minimum requirement is Pentium D 930 (3.0GHz). Instead I recommend the following combination:
  • CPU: Core 2 Duo E4300 ($113 on April 22)
  • Motherboard: ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA
  • Memory: Add another 512MB PC3200, 1GB in total
This will be fine for the next couple of years.

ench 03-21-2007 04:30 AM

OK
I currently have a lame htpc that runs OK, but just ran into power supply issues.
I am using a Silverstone L16-M case with a Silverstone 500 Watts PW supply (SST-ST50EF)that went bad after 3 months. Just sent it back to them.
Does anyone know the reliability of these power suplies?

Here's my attemptempted new setup.
Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 LGA 775 Processor Model (OC to 3.38 Ghz)
GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard
G.SKILL 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Memory
XFX PVT71JYHE9 GeForce 7950GT 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16
HDCPZALMAN CNPS9500 LED CPU Cooler

I also need more information on the graphics card. Some report it as noisy and others say it runs cool. I need it to be super quiet and also this card must fit the case.
The requirement is 220 mm so it may clear the center mount dvd drive in the case.
In my old setup i used an ATI 1600 Pro AGP

Can anyone comment on this setup, before I pull the trigger with Newegg?
Here's a picture of the case (top view)
LL

Ken S 03-21-2007 05:34 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Ken S,

I don't know if Pentium D 915 (2.8GHz) is enough to play HD contents. According to NVIDIA Checklist for Building a PC that Plays HD DVD or Blu-ray Movies, the minimum requirement is Pentium D 930 (3.0GHz). Instead I recommend the following combination:
  • CPU: Core 2 Duo E4300 ($113 on April 22)
  • Motherboard: ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA
  • Memory: Add another 512MB PC3200, 1GB in total
This will be fine for the next couple of years.

Renethx

Thanks for the info! After searching around it looks like the Core 2 Duo E4300 is the best bang for the buck after either bumping up the fsb a little or doing this mod.

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardw...ict228129.html

I might try the pin mod. It doesn't look to difficult. If i add a stick of 512 pc3200 it should also be 200mhz as well as my other? When i run CPU-Z it shows the manufacture of the ram as MOSEL. Would it be a problem if i ran some Kingston or Corsair value ram along side of it instead? Thanks again for your help.

renethx 03-21-2007 07:26 AM

Ken S

PC3200 is also called DDR400 and its operating frequency is 200MHz. 400MHz of DDR400 is the effective frequency (because of DDR = double data rate) and PC3200 indicates its bandwidth (400MHz x 64bit = 25600Mbit = 3200MB; the memory bus of DIMM is 64 bit).

Basically a PC3200 module of a different brand should work fine. However in a rare case the combination of different memory chips forces the memory to run in the single channel mode (64 bit wide vs. 128 bit wide in the dual channel mode). But the memory bandwidth is unimportant in a HTPC system anyway.

Perhaps a better way is sell your DDR400 memory module and buy a pair of 1GB DDR2-667 or 800 memory modules (so 2GB in total). In this way your future upgrade will be much easier as most of the recent motherboards accept only DDR2 SDRAM (and DDR3 SDRAM will be widely used only in 2008 or later). But it all depends on your budget.

renethx 03-21-2007 09:23 AM

E4300 BSEL mod is effective in several motherboards including Foxconn (to overclock past FSB 265MHz) and Intel, but I don't think it is necessary for ASRock.

For those who are not familiar with this method, I will explain it briefly. This method turns E4300 (a processor of 800 MHz FSB) into a processor of 1066 MHz FSB and hence E4300 runs at the frequency 2.40GHz = 266 MHz x 9 without changing any BIOS setting. Let's see the following figures.



Figure 16 is the top view of the processor land coordinates and Figure 17 is a detailed image of the circled area. The pads called BSEL0, BSEL1 and BSEL2 determine the FSB frequency of the processor as shown in Table 1. You may consider H = "Power" and L = "Ground". To turn E4300 into a processor of 1066 MHz FSB, it is necessary to make BSEL1 to the L state. The easiest way to do this is connect BSEL1 with a nearby VSS (Ground) pad, for example the pad of the coordinates L-30 as shown in the red broken lines in Figure 17. To connect them, use a defogger repair kit or a silver conducting pen (many reported that silver wouldn't work though).

The green lines in Figure 17 indicate a mothod of turning FSB 1066 MHz into FSB 1333 MHz (your motherboard BIOS needs to support processors of 1333 MHz FSB).

Other useful threads on this subject are

renethx 03-21-2007 10:38 AM

ench

XFX GeForce 7950 GT should fit in LC16M:

http://www.sudhian.com/index.php?/fo.../96124/#839303

(Unfortunately 8800 GTS, 222mm long, won't fit.) I believe the XFX model is fanless so completely silent.

Lockman99 03-21-2007 11:57 AM

Thanks to renethx and a bunch others there is so much information on HTPC that it make this site almost a one stop only source for building and HTPC.

I have a budget of $1000 dollars to build a HTPC but with so much info here I don't know where to start. lol

ench 03-21-2007 12:32 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

XFX GeForce 7950 GT should fit in LC16M:

http://www.sudhian.com/index.php?/fo.../96124/#839303

(Unfortunately 8800 GTS, 222mm long, won't fit.) I believe the XFX model is fanless so completely silent.

OK, that's great news I will go for it this afternoon!

Please convince me again why E4300 over E6300. the price differential is only $14, but the 6300 has 4M cache

Now I'm just getting greedy (heh heh heh)

What about memory timing 5-5-5-15 -vs- 4-4-4-12?

grittree 03-21-2007 02:59 PM

Great thread.

My biggest gripe is that none of the uATX boards, both AM2 & 775, allow overclocking. So if you want/need about 3ghz, you are forced to spend big bucks on the cpu & memory. In contrast, a DS3 board will let you use a E4300 and 667 memory and get 3ghz at stock voltage, and low temps.

My questions are:
1. Any OC'able uATX boards on the horizon?
2. Anyone here done the BSEL mods on a uATX board?

renethx 03-21-2007 05:36 PM

ench

E6300 has a 2MB L2 cache, the same as E4300. E6300 is the Conroe core that has a 4MB L2 cache but half of them is disabled because of defective transistors, while E4300 is the Allendale core that has a 2MB L2 cache natively.

The only advantage of E6300 is a slightly better overclocking potential (3.3GHz vs. 3.5GHz). That's all. To achieve 3.5GHz however,
  • You have to raise FSB from the default 266MHz to 500MHz (3.5GHz = 500MHz x 7) that would cause a stress to the motherboard and not every motherboard can do that.
  • You need DDR2-1000 memory modules that are usually very pricey.
Don't worry about memory timing. 5-5-5-15 is enough. Tight timing means slightly better memory performance but that's important mostly in games.

renethx 03-21-2007 06:00 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by grittree View Post

My questions are:
1. Any OC'able uATX boards on the horizon?
2. Anyone here done the BSEL mods on a uATX board?

grittree

1. I listed good overclocking LGA 775 & Socket AM2 mATX motherboards in the original post.

2. The mATX motherboards I have seen work with the modded E4300 are
  • BIOSTAR P4M890-M7 PCI-E (2.7GHz, here )
  • ECS P4M800PRO-M (the famous Fry's combo; 2.7GHz, here)
  • Foxconn G9657MA-8EKRS2H (2.6GHz, here)
Personally I haven't tried the BSEL mod

ench 03-21-2007 06:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

ench

E6300 has a 2MB L2 cache, the same as E4300. E6300 is the Conroe core that has a 4MB L2 cache but half of them is disabled because of defective transistors, while E4300 is the Allendale core that has a 2MB L2 cache natively.

The only advantage of E6300 is a slightly better overclocking potential (3.3GHz vs. 3.5GHz). That's all. To achieve 3.5GHz however, you have to raise FSB from the default 266MHz to 500MHz (3.5GHz = 500MHz x 7) that would cause a stress to the motherboard and not every motherboard can do that.

Don't worry about memory timing. 5-5-5-15 is enough. Tight timing means slightly better memory performance but that's important mostly in games.

OK I'm sold.
I am pulling the trigger with newegg right now .

Thanks all for this great thread; I learn so much more the last 3 days.

renethx 03-22-2007 12:31 PM

More information on NVIDIA MCP68: HKEPC Hardware » IT News » CeBIT: NVIDIA names MCP68 as GF7000-nF630a

Quote:


Based on the same graphic engine as GeForce 6200, NVIDIA MCP68 hasn't experienced a great change since MCP61, according to its white paper. MCP68 features 2 Pixel Shader Pipelines, 1 Vertex Shader Engine, and 1 ROP. Thus we don't expect MCP68 would show more power than the current MCP61. Yet, in this upgraded edition, MCP68 added build-in HDMI connections and HDPC decoding capability, supporting 720p PureVideo HD video processing, giving a similar power to its rival AMD 690G.

MCP68 would have 2 models, including GeForce 7025 nForce630a (MCP68PS) and GeForce 7050 nForce630a (MCP68PV). They only differ on the core speed of the graphic engine, where the former is 425MHz and the latter is 475MHz.


dmce 03-22-2007 04:04 PM

techPowerUP have a review of the Sapphire 690G board. The PI-AM2RS690MHD. It looks slightly more promising on the 1080P playback front.

Still dont have enough posts to link to it, but you will find it on there homepage

ench 03-23-2007 06:54 AM

Renethx:
After pulling the trigger on this motherboard (GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 (rev. 1.0), I realize that it only has 1 chasis fan connector. Am I incorrect?

I am using a Silverstone L16M HTPC case and have 4 chasis fans to connect.
The 2 that comes with the case located in the rear and 2 extra located in the front.
1 for hard drive(s) and the other for the video card. They are located on the left and right drive cages that comes with the case.

Is there a clever 4:1 fan connector that I can purchase?
Otherwise, I'll have to fabricate something.

T-Bone 03-23-2007 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ench View Post

Renethx:
After pulling the trigger on this motherboard (GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 (rev. 1.0), I realize that it only has 1 chasis fan connector. Am I incorrect?

I am using a Silverstone L16M HTPC case and have 4 chasis fans to connect.
The 2 that comes with the case located in the rear and 2 extra located in the front.
1 for hard drive(s) and the other for the video card. They are located on the left and right drive cages that comes with the case.

Is there a clever 4:1 fan connector that I can purchase?
Otherwise, I'll have to fabricate something.

Not Renethx, but I had the same issue. I have the same mobo, excepts it's the S3 (version 1.0). I bought a Y adapter so I could connect my 2 rear case fans to the mobo. I bought this adapter to connect my front fan directly to the PSU. In your case, you'll need 2 Y adapters.

I found that I preferred the rear fans to be speed controlled. My front fan (stock silvetstone) spins at max RPM (2100 or so) but cannot be heard because of it's location in the case. I have the Silverstone LC-17.

-T

archibael 03-23-2007 09:59 AM

New BIOS and Vista32 and Vista64 15.2.1 drivers for G965. Supports the new mobile GM965 of all things, though good luck finding one yet. The drivers are a "hotfix" release which corrects several issues. Still no HW T&L, and same HDMI Audio code as last time, but on the plus side the Release Notes are actually worth a damn now.

Hope to see this soon for XP drivers.

ench 03-23-2007 10:11 AM

T-Bone:
Thanks; I will search for a place that sells the "Y" adopter for my fans.
But you'd think a mobo should have more than 1 chassis fan connector.

I also never thought of slowing down the front fans to keep the noise level down.
Good advice. I will try that too.

renethx 03-23-2007 01:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ench View Post

Renethx:
After pulling the trigger on this motherboard (GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 (rev. 1.0), I realize that it only has 1 chasis fan connector. Am I incorrect?.

That's true. However rev. 3.3 comes with three system fan headers (SYS_FAN, PWR_FAN, NB_FAN). I hope you get rev. 3.3. Newegg.com (actually most US retailers) sucks in this point as you will never know which revision you get.

Zalman Fan Mate 2 is a good fan speed controller.

Rgb 03-24-2007 01:23 PM

This has to be the Greatest Media PC Components Guide. Ever.

Thanks for sharing.

.

takisot 03-25-2007 02:56 AM

This lists need updating since it does not mention the ATI cards (X1650, X1950) which yield the best results in terms of picture quality at HD-DVD and BluRay playback, without the artifacts reported for some Nvidia cards (color banding, stuttering etc)

m3jsh 03-25-2007 04:39 PM

I can't wait for the abit Fatal1ty F-I90HD to come out. How long does it take from the boards launch to show up on Newegg? I'm dying to get my hands on this badboy, it seems perfect for my HTPC build.

najames 03-25-2007 06:38 PM

m3jsh, this guy has had some and is getting a bunch in again very soon evidently. His price is good too.

http://www.sffclub.com/store/index.p...b96838bd65331d

There now you can actually see the link.

Frys had them instore, might be gone now though.

m3jsh 03-25-2007 07:38 PM

I wish I lived in California/Bay Area. Long Island doesn't have any good computer stores

gorman42 03-26-2007 06:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by takisot View Post

This lists need updating since it does not mention the ATI cards (X1650, X1950) which yield the best results in terms of picture quality at HD-DVD and BluRay playback, without the artifacts reported for some Nvidia cards (color banding, stuttering etc)

Do they now allow for 1366x768 output?

takisot 03-27-2007 05:38 AM

I did not test it, but I assume that with powerstrip it is possible.

Cesiumdeth 03-28-2007 12:41 PM

Any thoughts on this video card:
Leadtek WinFast PX7900GS TDH 256MB Geforce 7900GS
256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card

Manufacturer Product Page

Newegg Link


It has HDCP, and is supposed to be very quiet for fan based cooling. The only thing that slightly worries me is the clock speed of 450MHz, but I read a review saying it could easily be overclocked to 580Mhz (stable).

Any thoughts? I like the price and the current rebate.

Thanks,
Daniel

zangmann 03-28-2007 01:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cesiumdeth View Post

Any thoughts on this video card:
Leadtek WinFast PX7900GS TDH 256MB Geforce 7900GS
256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card

Manufacturer Product Page

Newegg Link


It has HDCP, and is supposed to be very quiet for fan based cooling. The only thing that slightly worries me is the clock speed of 450MHz, but I read a review saying it could easily be overclocked to 580Mhz (stable).

Any thoughts? I like the price and the current rebate.

Thanks,
Daniel

I donnu, one of the bullet points states to avoid the GS line:

Avoid NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS!

7600 GS runs at a considerably lower clock speed of 400MHz (that means lower decode acceleration) and lacks support for a few PureVideo HD features.

ench 03-29-2007 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

That's true. However rev. 3.3 comes with three system fan headers (SYS_FAN, PWR_FAN, NB_FAN). I hope you get rev. 3.3. Newegg.com (actually most US retailers) sucks in this point as you will never know which revision you get.

Zalman Fan Mate 2 is a good fan speed controller.

The Newegg.com Gods have smile on me and sent me a rev 3.3 mobo.
Yes, it has 3 system fans (2 have speed control and the 3rd does not).
That's still Kool with me. I have the Zalman fan speed controller and will use that.

Next step is to try to fully understand the fine art of overcloking my e4300 using my mobo.
I changeg the FSB to 260 from 200 to get the CPU to 2.4Ghz, left the memory to auto (260x4=1040Mhz)
and it seems to work just fine.

I set it to 300 to get to 2.7Ghz and that works fine too.
I need to better understnad the memory aspect of changing my fs setting, bit I set it to 2.5 (300x2.5=750Mhz).

I followed the advice of the mobo instructions and let the system determine the voltages for me.
Why is that a good thing to do?

So if I really wanted to push my FSB to 400Mhz, my CPU may be able to run as fast as 3.6Ghz,
and my memory multiplyer should run at 2x (2x400=800Mhz)

I read somewhere how to manually adjust the voltages but my memory is failing me (again)

How much should the adjustment be?

Renethx:
Can I PM you for advice?

renethx 03-29-2007 02:55 PM

ench

Legion Hardware - E4300 Overclocking for Beginners is a good overclocking guide using E4300 and GA-965P-DS3. My advice is read it carefully and follow it. The proper memory voltage depends on the memory modules. Check the specs of your memory modules. Advanced BIOS options are accessed only by pressing the CTRL-F1 key combination from the main menu.

renethx 03-29-2007 03:14 PM

Cesiumdeth & zangmann

I did not recommend GeForce 7600 GS, but this does not necessarily mean all the GS models are not good. Contrary, 7900 GS is pretty good. It supports all the PureVideo features and its performance is between 7950 GT and 7600 GT. The Leadtek model is well-known for its quietness and reliability and I don't hesitate to recommend it.

dmce 03-30-2007 05:39 AM

For those with a 690G chipset, the latest catalyst drivers (7.3) are meant to improve image quality. According to OCWorkbench its a tremendous improvement, but the info doesnt really give supporting evidence. Anyway heres the link:

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showth...148#post409148

suniil 03-30-2007 08:16 AM

thanks for the update, i'm awaiting the delivery of ASUS M2A VM HDMI


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