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Davinleeds, I'm using Windows Media Center, Zune and Hulu. I configured the device as 7.1 as well.

mryrse, I tried doing all you suggested, but it's still not working. TX-SR805 is Enabled. In my case the SR805 goes all the way up to 24-bit 192k DACs so I enabled that option as well, but if fact none of the formats are working at all. I've disabled all devices except for the Intel(R) Display Audio. The volume meter shows that it's trying to output some sound but it's just not getting through for some reason.

I also went to the Intel website and downloaded the latest driver, 2086. At this point, I'm really out of ideas.

There may be other ideas in the i core thread, but your Intel hdmi(your AVR) should be default and under supported formats, if it shows 2 channel, your AVR is configured for audio pass through to your display. Mine simply enabled by rebooting with AVR on but no display connected to AVR. Desktop connected with dvi.

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Any idea when the system builder Tegra 2 boards will start showing up? The Boxee box looks interesting, but I want to do more w/ my HTPC than just media playback. I'd like to record some TV and have a blu-ray optical drive. I picked up the basic LiteOn reader a couple weeks ago for $52, but still need to get the rest of my parts.

I think Nvidia said that the Tegra II can only play back videos up to 10 MB/s, so no go for blu ray unless you want to encode down.

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Davinleeds, I'm using Windows Media Center, Zune and Hulu. I configured the device as 7.1 as well.

mryrse, I tried doing all you suggested, but it's still not working. TX-SR805 is Enabled. In my case the SR805 goes all the way up to 24-bit 192k DACs so I enabled that option as well, but if fact none of the formats are working at all. I've disabled all devices except for the Intel(R) Display Audio. The volume meter shows that it's trying to output some sound but it's just not getting through for some reason.

I also went to the Intel website and downloaded the latest driver, 2086. At this point, I'm really out of ideas.

Can you get the realtek audio working? At least you can maybe get some sound in the meantime while you troubleshoot the HDMI. It might be time to start looking at settings on the receiver? Sorry, I'm out of ideas.

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What's the Microsoft splitter for M2TS (object name, CLSID or file name as seen in GraphStudio)?

Anyway, if you disable the internal MPEG PS/TS/PVA source filter, then MPC uses the source/splitter filter according to first the registry key HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\\Media Type\\Extensions, then the merit values.

Don't know the CLSID, but what I do know is that Gabest is not installed to be used by WMP, and Haali is also not being used for .M2TS files, and yet they play. This leads me to believe that Win7 natively supports splitting .M2TS files. Win7 cannot comprehend the audio (DTS HD Master) but it does play the H.264 video in the .M2TS files. Since MPC-HC does not use the Win7 pipeline it is able to use ffdshow for the audio (without having to disable media foundation or directshow) and somehow it splits .m2ts without gabest/haali.

The problem with disabling the internal gabest splitter in MPC-HC as you suggested is that it also disables for .TS files, resulting in Haali being used for .TS. For some reason this is causing there to be no video. I think the no video part can be fixed, but there is also the issue that Haali cannot comprehend TrueHD, for which some of my .TS files contain.

Temporary workaround is to manually change the setting for each movie type.
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This is the source filter for .m2ts in HKCR\\Media Type\\Extensions: {1365BE7A-C86A-473C-9A41-C0A6E82C9FA3}

edit: You got me thinking on the right track though. I had .ts CLSID set to use Haali. Switched it to use Gabest and now MPC-HC can play both .m2ts and .ts how I want. .m2ts uses the above CLSID and .ts is using {1365BE7A-C86A-473C-9A41-C0A6E82C9FA3}. Neither are used as an "internal filter" but since I had already registered mpegsplitter.ax it is available.

Thanks!

edit: and now I realize both of the above are gabest. Hmm, wonder why it's not working when used as an internal filter. Maybe the .ax file that I downloaded as a standalone filter from SVN is newer than what comes with MPC-HC and contains fixes for DTS HD Master audio?
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This is the source filter for .m2ts in HKCR\\Media Type\\Extensions: {1365BE7A-C86A-473C-9A41-C0A6E82C9FA3}

edit: You got me thinking on the right track though. I had .ts CLSID set to use Haali. Switched it to use Gabest and now MPC-HC can play both .m2ts and .ts how I want. .m2ts uses the above CLSID and .ts is using {1365BE7A-C86A-473C-9A41-C0A6E82C9FA3}. Neither are used as an "internal filter" but since I had already registered mpegsplitter.ax it is available.

Thanks!

edit: and now I realize both of the above are gabest. Hmm, wonder why it's not working when used as an internal filter. Maybe the .ax file that I downloaded as a standalone filter from SVN is newer than what comes with MPC-HC and contains fixes for DTS HD Master audio?

Are you trying to play in WMP/WMC or in MPC? If in WMP/WMC you need to disable Media Foundation and the Microsoft DTV Audio Decoder

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I was correct about the gabest splitter from svn fixing the problem with DTS Master. After downloading MPC-HC lastest build from SVN and enabling the internal mpeg2-ts filter DTS Master bitstreaming works.

Not using WMP/WMC. Would like to but if I disable MF or DS I'm concerned it will have a negative affect on TV. Till a good solution is available I'll set WMC to use external player of MPC-HC.
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I was correct about the gabest splitter from svn fixing the problem with DTS Master. After downloading MPC-HC lastest build from SVN and enabling the internal mpeg2-ts filter DTS Master bitstreaming works.

Not using WMP/WMC. Would like to but if I disable MF or DS I'm concerned it will have a negative affect on TV. Till a good solution is available I'll set WMC to use external player of MPC-HC.

Agreed, I just stick with MPC launching from Media Browser to get bitstreaming. I had too many inconsistencies with LiveTV and other when disabling MF to get bitstreaming in WMP/WMC. Anyway, I find PQ much better in MPC then WMP/WMC

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At some point I'll do some calibrating but I need to take a break from this first.
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I am looking to build a cross between the Intel/Intel High end and Premium (LGA 1156) htpc and hoped you would look at the list below and let me know if you see any problems, or reccommend different components - I know you said you were planning on updating the list shortly??

Here in Australia we don't always get the parts you list, so if it is something that is not on one of your reccommend list, it is the closest I could find.

I was thinking of the following;

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD4 (as it has USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0Gbps)
CPU: Core i5 750 2.66GHz LGA1156
Cooler: Xigmatek CPU Cooler S1283 Dark Knight R3 + Xigmatek Crossbow I5361 for CPU Coolers w 3 HeatPipes Will this cooler work on the i5 in this motherboard?
RAM: G Skill 4G(2x2G) DDR3 1600Mhz PC12800 9-9-9-24(CL9D-4GBNQ)
Graphics Card: HIS ATI HD5750 PCI-E 2.0 1GB DDR5 700/4600 MHz
HDD: Western Digital 1.5TB Green 64MB SATAII WD15EARS
Optical: Samsung SH-B083A Blu-Ray Combo SATA
Case: Antec Sonata III MiniTower Case - Piano BlackW/500W PSU


Thanks for you help with this and I am off to donate now.
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I am looking to build a cross between the Intel/Intel High end and Premium (LGA 1156) htpc and hoped you would look at the list below and let me know if you see any problems, or reccommend different components - I know you said you were planning on updating the list shortly??

Here in Australia we don't always get the parts you list, so if it is something that is not on one of your reccommend list, it is the closest I could find.

I was thinking of the following;

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD4 (as it has USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0Gbps)
CPU: Core i5 750 2.66GHz LGA1156
Cooler: Not sure what cooler to use in this build??
RAM: GSkill 4G(2x2G) DDR3 1600Mhz PC12800 CL8(4GBTD)
Graphics Card: HIS ATI HD5750 PCI-E 2.0 1GB DDR5 700/4600 MHz
HDD: Western Digital 1.5TB Green 64MB SATAII WD15EARS
Optical: Samsung SH-B083A Blu-Ray Combo SATA

Because of its location, I prefer a tower case - what is the minimum power supply I should go with, given I will aslo have 2 x dual digital tuner cards and possibly 4 HDDs?

Do you reccommend any particular tower case with an included ps?

Thanks for you help with this and I am off to donate now.

I'm looking to build an HTPC pretty soon and was directed to a site that helped me pick a power supply. Here it is:http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp
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I need a motherboard recommendation:

Background:
The main function of this machine is to transcode video. I have an unRAID server, so I don't need more than 2 hard drives in this machine. The most resource intensive game that will be played on this machine will be Minesweeper. This computer will probably be on 24/7, so energy efficient components are a plus. I would like to go with a MicroATX Mid tower case.

This is what I plan to use so far:

# CPU: Core i7 860 2.80GHz LGA1156
# Memory: Depends on which motherboard
# PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W
# Case: Rosewill R101-P-BK

These are two boards in the January recommendations:
GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD4 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
ASRock H55M Pro LGA 1156 Intel H55 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

Are they still the way to go? Are there any options with onboard video that will have no trouble playing HD?

For video and audio, the integrated options are currently limited to dual-core i3/i5. So the i7 would require a discrete GPU such as Radeon 5450.

Consider a higher efficiency PSU and lower power as well so the most common draw is within its most efficient range -perhaps a Seasonic 300 rated 80 Plus Bronze. Further efficiency can be had with low-voltage RAM.

I had my eye on that case for months but only recently got it from chiefvalue for $25 shipped as it was previously either priced much higher or OOS (after promos of $20 shipped late last year). It is made by InShin (model MA 101 with this bezel) and also available with different bezels and brandings including from Enermax and Thermaltake. But this one is the most practical and aesthetically pleasing in my opine.

What makes it quite unique amongst Micro-ATX cases is the combination of external bays (three 5.25" and two 3.5"), 120/90mm fan mounts, and compact depth. This last spec requires choosing the mainboard and 5.25" devices carefully to avoid conflict as anything in the bottom bay is likely to overhang the area where the bulky ATX power connector is located. They vary significantly in this regard but I purposely opted for the shorter depth GA-H55M-S2H as more memory slots and other minor features were not required.
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A few days ago I stumbled upon a discussion of how some/many of you use a home server, and that got my gears turning. But just as learning how to build my first and only HTPC..... there's a bunch to learn.

Specifically, I'm thinking of using the low end Core I3 with Gigabyte build Listed on page 401 as the starter for all this, and evidently I need to either daisy chain or otherwise build up gigabit ethernet in the house. Right now I only have the wireless router.

I'm also looking to remotely control an Observatory, but that's another thread. And another branch off a router (several computers already out there)

I've poked around AVS and went to Windows to get a grasp of the concept. Are there any breakdowns that guides others through the learning process as this thread does?

Thanks. In advance.
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Guys thanks a lot for all the help.

The laptop you guys suggested is already here and I just got the 2 external HDhomerun TV tuners

Now I need a media centre extender for the basement TV. My question is, since I won't be playing games at all. Can I get away with buying an Xbox Arcade with an HDMI output ? Or would I be sacrificing performance by not buying a full 360 console as an MC extender?
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^ There are no performance differences between the Arcade and the Pro other than the fact that one comes with a hard drive and the other doesn't.
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thanks trginter,

So as a media extender should be the same right? It doesn't use the hard drive at all as virtual memory like windows does?
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If I remember correctly, the Arcade has some internal memory. Not a lot, 512mb I think, but enough for you to create a "Profile" on the Xbox and let you set it up as an Extender. No hard drive is needed.

There are some pretty fun games on the Xbox though. You might want a hard drive to save all those save games ;-)
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I am looking to build a cross between the Intel/Intel High end and Premium (LGA 1156) htpc and hoped you would look at the list below and let me know if you see any problems, or reccommend different components - I know you said you were planning on updating the list shortly??

Here in Australia we don't always get the parts you list, so if it is something that is not on one of your reccommend list, it is the closest I could find.

I was thinking of the following;

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD4 (as it has USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0Gbps)
CPU: Core i5 750 2.66GHz LGA1156
Cooler: Xigmatek CPU Cooler S1283 Dark Knight R3 + Xigmatek Crossbow I5361 for CPU Coolers w 3 HeatPipes Will this cooler work on the i5 in this motherboard?
RAM: G Skill 4G(2x2G) DDR3 1600Mhz PC12800 9-9-9-24(CL9D-4GBNQ)
Graphics Card: HIS ATI HD5750 PCI-E 2.0 1GB DDR5 700/4600 MHz
HDD: Western Digital 1.5TB Green 64MB SATAII WD15EARS
Optical: Samsung SH-B083A Blu-Ray Combo SATA
Case: Antec Sonata III MiniTower Case - Piano BlackW/500W PSU

Good, except for USB 3.0/SATA 6Gbps. You have to choose a different mb. Lower end mb there have a second PCI Express x16 slot that works only at 1.1 x4. Think about expansion slots you may need in future. Thanks!
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OK, so if I substitute in the Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3, it all should be OK?

Just wanted to double check that I have the right cooler (and adaption kit), for the i5 and the Motherboard?
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OK, so if I substitute in the Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3, it all should be OK?

Just wanted to double check that I have the right cooler (and adaption kit), for the i5 and the Motherboard?

Yes. All should be fine.
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Thanks for your help.
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A few days ago I stumbled upon a discussion of how some/many of you use a home server, and that got my gears turning. But just as learning how to build my first and only HTPC..... there's a bunch to learn.

Specifically, I'm thinking of using the low end Core I3 with Gigabyte build Listed on page 401 as the starter for all this, and evidently I need to either daisy chain or otherwise build up gigabit ethernet in the house. Right now I only have the wireless router.

I'm also looking to remotely control an Observatory, but that's another thread. And another branch off a router (several computers already out there)

I've poked around AVS and went to Windows to get a grasp of the concept. Are there any breakdowns that guides others through the learning process as this thread does?

Thanks. In advance.

You might want to spend a little time in the forums over at WeGotServed. There's plenty of info and an active community of WHS users there.

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A few days ago I stumbled upon a discussion of how some/many of you use a home server, and that got my gears turning. But just as learning how to build my first and only HTPC..... there's a bunch to learn.

Specifically, I'm thinking of using the low end Core I3 with Gigabyte build Listed on page 401 as the starter for all this, and evidently I need to either daisy chain or otherwise build up gigabit ethernet in the house. Right now I only have the wireless router.

I'm also looking to remotely control an Observatory, but that's another thread. And another branch off a router (several computers already out there)

I've poked around AVS and went to Windows to get a grasp of the concept. Are there any breakdowns that guides others through the learning process as this thread does?

Thanks. In advance.

There is a lot of information about WHS on the web. Check out www.mediasmartserver.net, www.wegotserved.com, homeservershow.com, etc... to get some ideas.

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Hi renethx,

just to double check, so do you think that using an XBOX arcade, even tough it doesn't have a regular hard drive like the full xbox 360, will it give me the same quality results as a media center extender a full hard drive one?

Is just that I will be buying two today and I want to be 100% sure of this.

Thanks in advanced

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The thing I didn't like about using my xbox as an extender are 1) It is loud. Newer models might not be as bad but it really bothered me, and 2) The lack of supported formats was a problem. I don't want to have to convert a significant part of my library so my extender would support it. I would end up spending more time converting my library than enjoying it. Just my opinion. So I built an HTPC.
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The thing I didn't like about using my xbox as an extender are 1) It is loud. Newer models might not be as bad but it really bothered me, and 2) The lack of supported formats was a problem. I don't want to have to convert a significant part of my library so my extender would support it. I would end up spending more time converting my library than enjoying it. Just my opinion. So I built an HTPC.

Thanks for the reply mryerse,

Being loud is a none issue to me because it will be 75 feet away from the TV in a closet somewhere on the house.

Now the second issue is the one that I need to look into it, would I have that issue of the not supported format to record and play back OTA HD shows?

Since I know it doesn't play HD content very well, I will be playing those from my HTPC laptop straight into the TV (HDMI) via media center. Is media center the one that has the issue with formats or Xbox.

I don't even have one BRay movie ripped into the hdd yet, so I guess that went the time comes I could ripped all BRay to accommodate to MC format.
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This will be my first HTPC build, any input is much appreciated. OTA DVR and streaming video from the web will be it's primary use.

Case - SILVERSTONE GRANDIA GD04B
Motherboard - ASUS P7H55D-M EVO
CPU - Intel Core i3-540
PSU - SeaSonic S12II 380B
CPU Cooler - Scythe Shuriken Rev. B
RAM - 2 X 2GB DDR3 1600
HDD - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB
Optical Drive - undetermined probably Blu-Ray with DVD write capablilities
WiFi - ASUS PCE-N13 IEEE 802.11b/g/n PCI Express Wireless Adapter
OTA Tuner - SiliconDust HDHomeRun Dual
Remote - undetermined
Keyboard with built in mouse/touchpad - undetermined
Windows 7

Thanks for getting me this far and thanks in advance for any input.
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The xbox can play some HD formats, it's just limited in which ones it can. As I recall it likes the MP4 container. Don't recall what codecs are supported. I would think it would work well for WTV but cannot validate that myself until I get a tuner late today.
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Media Storage Server
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General Consideration
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Purpose of a Media Storage Server

The main purposes of the media storage server described here are:
  • Storing/archiving media files (ripped/downloaded/recorded SD & HD video contents/music, photographs etc.) in one centralized place.
  • Streaming media to HTPCs.
  • Possibly serving as a DVR with TV tuners added.
Here are some considerations in building such a system.

Component Selection
  • OS: The intended OS is one of
    1. Windows Vista or 7, x86 or x64, with or without FlexRAID and/or FlexRAID-View
    2. Windows Home Server (WHS), with or without FlexRAID (in place of Folder Duplication)
    3. unRAID (a Linux variant with RAID 4 capability)
    You can also use Linux with software RAID, OpenFiler etc. as long as your hardware components are supported.
  • Case: Currently NORCO RPC-4020 and NORCO RPC-4220 are the best cases for a media storage server. Both support 20 HDDs in hot-swap bays at a relatively cheap price. The latter has a backplane with five SFF-8087 connectors instead of twenty SATA connectors in the former. If you need more storage space, build another server of the same type and store them in a rack such as iStarUSA WO22AB 22U WO Open Frame Rack, ~$300:

  • PSU: Each hard disk drive consumes as low as 5W at idle, but as much as 30W at start-up (depending on each model). So we will need a powerful PSU to start up all the drives at a time. A typical power consumption of a server consisting of twenty HDDs is
    • ~600W at start up
    • ~200W at seek
    • ~150W at idle
  • CPU: We chose a cheap dual-core processor because archiving/streaming/recording is not CPU-intensive.
  • Memory: 2GB is enough for a similar reason.
  • Motherboard: Basic requirements are
    1. Onboard graphics
    2. 2 PCI slots or 2 PCI Express 1.x x4 slots for storage controllers for 16 storage HDDs
    3. 6 onboard SATA ports for additional storage HDDs and the OS HDD.
    4. A Gb LAN (that provides enough bandwidth for streaming HD contents to several HTPC simultaneously)
    5. Proper support for power management, in particular WOL (Wake-On-LAN)
    If you are going to use the server as a DVR, you may want more expansion slots. The motherboard chosen here has enough expansion slots and is reasonably cheap. You can even use a RAID controller PCIe x8 card.
  • HBA (host bus adapter): As the number of onboard SATA ports is not enough, we use SATA controller cards. I chose cheap non-RAID SATA controller PCI-X (compatible with PCI) or PCI Express x4 cards, that are enough for our purpose.
  • OS drive: You can use any drive for OS (a USB flash memory for unRAID).
  • Storage drives: There are several good cheap 1TB/1.5TB HDDs.
    • WD Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB 5400 rpm SATA 3.0Gbps, $85.
    • Samsung HD103SI 1TB 5400 rpm SATA 3.0Gbps, $71.
    • WD Caviar Green WD15EADS 1.5TB 5400 rpm SATA 3.0Gbps, $105.
    • Samsung HD154UI 1.5TB 5400 rpm SATA 3.0Gbps, $110.
Backup

You will need to back up important, irreplaceable data (e.g. personal documents and family photos), perhaps off-site. Building a dedicated backup system is one method (you can use similar hardware components here). A caution to those who consider RAID5: RAID 5 is not a backup strategy, it's about uptime - if a drive fails, you can swap it for a new one to rebuild with no service interruption. You may lose the entire date in the array instantly however if multiple drives fail or if a hardware issue kills the array. FlexRAID and unRAID are better in this point: you can still get data from each non-failed drive.

Renethx,
I read several places on the net that the WD10/15/20EADS 5400 RPM drives are unusable for raid.
Can you comment on this..

What about WHS use?

cheers,
Jacob
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