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post #271 of 463 Old 09-26-2015, 04:10 PM
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I have owned several Samsung and Panasonic payers and none of them have had any lip sync issues
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That said, my receiver has an option to correct it, but I've never had to use it.
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So now when you want to buy a movie you'll have the choice of either DVD, Bluray, 3D Bluray, or UHD Bluray...


I've always been an advocate for choice but if I was working in the industry I think I'd be concerned about consumer confusion.

As long as one device can play all those discs, it hardly matters considering the average consumer probably won't notice the difference except for maybe DVD or if they are specifically trying to go 3D (and notice, almost all 3D releases also include their 2D counterparts)

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I will wait to see how much better these discs look than current Blu-Rays, and I will hope at the same time there is no "dumbing down" of current Blu-Ray in some way to make the UHD-BD look better- like maybe going to single layer, etc. Then I will need to see how much better (if any) these can be on a traditional HD setup as well. I will likely not be upgrading my projector any time soon so I might continue my collection in UHD in the meantime, but only if there is a reason.

When HD-DVD/BD came out, I had a 480P plasma, a 1080i 36" Sony Tube TV and a 720P Panasonic Projector (AE700). I will say that much of the benefit of HD was definitely lost on the 480P set vs. a good DVD and the difference on the other two was nothing to write home about. I should have sat out a while, but I got a new player day one (Toshiba HD-DVD and PS3) and started collecting the new discs but didn't really see the benefit until I got a 1080P projector- and many discs had to be repurchased later due to poor initial quality of the transfer and due to my initial leanings to HD-DVD. To this day, I still have no issue dragging out some old DVDs that are not on BD yet and watching them on anything other than my 106" screen. Even on my 65" set, I have no issue with a DVD if need be.

If there is some compelling difference in these 4K discs when displayed on a 2K screen, I think this is a winner just like DVD was (there was a clear and distinct improvement even on current screens at the time), but if not, I am thinking UHD-BD may end up a niche player for many years like Blu-Ray in it's infancy or even possibly like Laser Disc. I have one UHD set and 4K streaming is tough to distinguish from 2K already- let's hope there is more to the disc based format.

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When it comes to streaming vs physical media, I think physical media will be the first choice for AV enthusiasts so long as it has a higher bit rate. I also think that the cost conscious crowd will choose a lower resolution (DVD) so long as it is a lower price point. I think having to spend money on a server to download a movie will be a less attractive option except for AV enthusiasts - and I suspect they will gravitate to the best picture/audio possible - which currently appears to be physical media.

Rent versus own. I believe the above rules apply to those movies that people want to own. For those that they just want to see one time (aka new releases), the cost/convenience of streaming wins out over physical media.
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The Panasonic uhd player comes out November 15th for $3300 in japan.

Where's all the people who were crying that this samsung uhd player was "too much" at $500?

By the way, at cedia today, a new UHD media player was announced by some brand I've never heard of for $4000.

The Sammy $500 player is looking more appealing now.
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Any player with dual HDMI outs is what I need, but it should be noted that the expensive Panny with the HDD for $3000 is not the model we will get.

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I still want physical discs. The idea of relying upon my ISP every time I want to watch a movie is horrifying.

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Physical discs won't be going away anytime soon. If anything, the physical media itself will become less expensive simply due to the fact streaming media has become so popular. You can pay 1.50 for a BluRay rental from Redbox, and pay 4.99 ~ 6.99 for the exact same title, oftentimes at a lower resolution. People pay handsomely for the convenience factor.

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I think I saw that this Samsung player will have just one HDMI output. That's not good, because I'm not sure my AVR will handle HDMI 2.0a, and I may need to run video directly from the player to the TV, as well as connecting the player to the AVR by HDMI. The last generation players from Panasonic and Sony did have two HDMI outputs, so I'll delay ordering a Samsung player until this situation is clearer.
Now, I think my AVR will handle HDMI 2.0a. On September 1, Pioneer issued a firmware update for the VSX-90 that enables the HDR extensions for HDMI 2.0a, and I just installed it. Of course, I won't have any means of testing it for awhile.

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Just got an X4200W which has 2.0a out of the box and full 18Gbps.
Just need a player and a set now!

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Just got an X4200W which has 2.0a out of the box and full 18Gbps.
Just need a player and a set now!
Thats probably the model I will get to use as a preamp once the players launch. I dont need power since I have an amp, but do want XT32 and the UHD compliance. Thats the cheapest model I think.

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^^^exactly. It's the cheapest model with the goods - XT32/SubEQ etc.
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Physical discs won't be going away anytime soon. If anything, the physical media itself will become less expensive simply due to the fact streaming media has become so popular. You can pay 1.50 for a BluRay rental from Redbox, and pay 4.99 ~ 6.99 for the exact same title, oftentimes at a lower resolution. People pay handsomely for the convenience factor.

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I never wanted to, but I'm definitely leaning more towards streaming nowadays. Not only do I not buy discs anymore, I barely rent them.
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I absolutely agree. We stream the majority of our movies as well. If there's a movie we're really looking forward to and want the best sound and picture possible, we still rent the BluRay. We rented Jurassic World last week and was glad we did. While we will get 5.1 surround on most of our streamed content, it still sounds & looks better via BD. That said, Jurassic World was the first BluRay we'd rented in months. The convenience of streaming can't be beat, but they still have work to do in terms of overall quality. But I agree.... for the average movie, it's perfectly fine.

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I still do most viewing via Blu-ray. Mostly rentals and some purchases. I get a few TV shows a year from VUDO.

I look forward to UHD Blu-ray!

There are some streaming/downloads that have BD quality and the business model looks pretty good for for being a first effort. I'm not apposed to download/streaming but require BD or UHD-BD quality, which is possible but expensive right now. I simply don't have the bandwidth to stream BD quality presently so this could be a factor that doesn't effect others.

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I won't be buying this model, it's a fact that the very first few models are always buggy, by the time technology will be perfected Netflix will have a handful of UHD titles for rent to justify spending $200 on UHD blu-ray player.
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Im just waiting to see who all has a model out and Im buying one of them. Streaming is nice, for the people with good connections, but they arent the majority.

I owned the $1000 samsung 1000 blu player in 2006, what a slow POS...
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My primary Beef is not with a player as much as it is the LACK of UHD Broadcasting about 3 years after UHD TV's NONE exist in N. America despite the UHD Alliance and I have over 500 channels via Comcast with ZERO, ZILCH, NADA UHD! WT Heck?

Secondary, is my Amazon Prime UHD has a handful of UHD Freebies but everything else is about $30 a stream for mostly RERUN Crapola that I get for free via HD Channels, BD Library and Streaming and is the PQ worthy?No way in 99%.

Look, a bad movie is a bad movie no matter what you do to it's look - perhaps VR UHD PORN may work, but a rerun of In Gods and Kings and most others is like asking you to pay to enter the Theater again to see a movie you've seen over and over and that's a rarity. I just went to see Spectre recently a monochrome mess that lasted almost 3 hours of totally unrealistic Chase Scenario's as Bond has evolved to needing to become a Marvel Comic Book with a Cape and Fly next and it's akin to asking me for another $30 after I leave, I may do a free view but another $30 is Insane! Classics like Godfather perhaps but most movies aren't worthy of another $30 unless your getting a PQ Orgasm - I'll await those Reviews to determine my purchase?

My interest would be in seeing sports broadcasting and Prime Time get on board with UHD as they are long overdue. That's a difference maker a UHD Alliance exists for not more RERUNS of bad movies we get for free in HD.

Broadcasting/Streaming via UHD is far more important than a Player - But $30 a View for Rerun Movies is insane and I've owned a 75" UHD for about 5 months and the only UHD I've seen are random crumbs Prime offers as freebies and my Samsung USB UHD Stick and half those movies aren't worthy of rerun views.

CES 2016 better offer some REAL UHD Broadcast choices or else this is a failed product falsely sold to Consumers. UHD Alliance - What have you done for us lately at the Broadcast end - so far, NOTHING!

I'll only buy into these players if they offer up a daily UHD Media that's as affordable as adding a Premium Channel in UHD.

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My primary Beef is not with a player as much as it is the LACK of UHD Broadcasting about 3 years after UHD TV's NONE exist in N. America despite the UHD Alliance and I have over 500 channels via Comcast with ZERO, ZILCH, NADA UHD! WT Heck?

Secondary, is my Amazon Prime UHD has a handful of UHD Freebies but everything else is about $30 a stream for mostly RERUN Crapola that I get for free via HD Channels, BD Library and Streaming and is the PQ worthy?No way in 99%.

Look, a bad movie is a bad movie no matter what you do to it's look - perhaps VR UHD PORN may work, but a rerun of In Gods and Kings and most others is like asking you to pay to enter the Theater again to see a movie you've seen over and over and that's a rarity. I just went to see Spectre recently a monochrome mess that lasted almost 3 hours of totally unrealistic Chase Scenario's as Bond has evolved to needing to become a Marvel Comic Book with a Cape and Fly next and it's akin to asking me for another $30 after I leave, I may do a free view but another $30 is Insane! Classics like Godfather perhaps but most movies aren't worthy of another $30 unless your getting a PQ Orgasm - I'll await those Reviews to determine my purchase?

My interest would be in seeing sports broadcasting and Prime Time get on board with UHD as they are long overdue. That's a difference maker a UHD Alliance exists for not more RERUNS of bad movies we get for free in HD.

Broadcasting/Streaming via UHD is far more important than a Player - But $30 a View for Rerun Movies is insane and I've owned a 75" UHD for about 5 months and the only UHD I've seen are random crumbs Prime offers as freebies and my Samsung USB UHD Stick and half those movies aren't worthy of rerun views.

CES 2016 better offer some REAL UHD Broadcast choices or else this is a failed product falsely sold to Consumers. UHD Alliance - What have you done for us lately at the Broadcast end - so far, NOTHING!

I'll only buy into these players if they offer up a daily UHD Media that's as affordable as adding a Premium Channel in UHD.
Well stated westa6969.....those reasons you have listed, especially the broadcast side of the equation, is one of the main reasons why I have NOT purchased a UHD TV. That, and the fact that this entire HDR fiasco is yet to be settled.

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As a movie buff, Im purely in it for the UHD 2160p blu-rays. Same reason I got into 1080p blu-ray. As far as broadcast tv, the compression schemes now can't even do 720p/1080i with crapping them up, they dont have 1080p, and you are worried about 2160p? Um no...

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Everything is all good and dandy with respect to movies , but what about TV programming ? with the exception of few channels (most of them news channels ) the rest of them are garbage resolution . You start going thru the list of channels on Directv and many, many of those channels are 480 ... so, if I am going to deplete my bank account to buy an ultra expensive UHD TV and UHD Blu-ray player , the least I can expect is to be able to watch regular tv on a decent resolution .
It seems to me that , from the middle class angle of looking at things cost wise , it doesn`t make much sense to spend ten or more thousands of dollars just to watch movies only .
I have my 75" Samsung LED H7150 that it is not an UHD but the 1080p is fantastic from my 10 feet away seating positon . Also my Samsung Blu-ray player is adequate and along with my Denon 7200W receiver that has Atmos , I can wait until thing are improved . Hopefully , in 5 years or so , TV will jump to better standards , then , I will go all the way .
I mostly rent blu ray movies from Red Box and buy very few (with Atmos sound content) but no streaming pay for view , except for Netflix , which I am subscribed to .

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I will wait till UHD is broadcast OTA. Forget streaming if you live outside a good ISP. I can't imagine the networks are going to be having a dual broadcast anytime soon. They can't even get 1080p yet. Live sports would look fantastic, and even Nova and Nature would be worth the wait. By the time this happens a 60" 4K tv will be $500.

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I watch all my movies at home now, no way am I sitting on the sidelines for UHD blu-ray.

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Probably at least several years away. We'll get a few years of unadulterated 4K before every station crams their allotted frequencies with 10-15 channels, starving their own bandwidth.

Then they'll try and find a way to make us pay for it.
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Reading this article about the Samsung UHD Player coming out has me confused. I previously read on CNet, news that finally there was development of media discs for 4K. They were Blu-Ray discs that were 50GB, 66GB, and 100GB. I have Blu-Ray movies that are just 1080p without 3D and without Atmos or any new audio format and yet they still don't fit on one dual layer 50GB disc so that is telling me that this new player is just the beginning for UHD Blu-Ray Players.

I remember being in high school and working at Best Buy when the video section had to come to a special meeting to learn about the first DVD players. I vaguely recall the specs but I remember there were only two options, both made by Toshiba. I "think" the basic model was $500 and the more options player was $700. And big screen TV's were still in wooden cabinets on wheels and standard definition for over $2000. Employees were offered an on the spot price of $300 for the DVD Player so I bought it. Now you can find DVD Players for $19 and Blu-Ray players for $29! Even Sony's upscaling to 4K Blu-Ray player (6500 model), can be bought for $69 online with free shipping. I bought 2 of them and while incredibly cheap in quality, they do the job better than the original models first introduced.

I bought into the DVD player and even as an employee I overpaid and I also bought into the Toshiba HD-DVD Player and got ripped off and still have it. I bought into LaserDiscs. I was a little smarter on Blu-Ray and paid $300 for a good Sony unit instead of $500+, but now they are $69 for one with more options. So, back in the 90's when the DVD player was introduced at $500 for the base Toshiba model, yeah that was a fair price because VHS players were still $200. But now, now that Blu-Ray players, with many options and a decent company name, can be bought for $69, I think $500 for the Samsung unit is ridiculous.

I too fell into this 4K game, but not intentionally this time. When 4K TV's were released I told myself I wouldn't buy into this. BUT, when shopping for a regular bigger 1080P TV, the sales associate offered me the last new in the box Sony 70" 4K model for $1500 including taxes out the door and I didn't hesitate to buy it. I bought it site unseen just because a cheap 70" no name brand 1080P NON 4K TV cost more than $1500. But once I got home and installed it on the wall, I realized that I needed a Sony X10 Media server to view 4K content according to Best Buy. HH Gregg failed to mention that and Best Buy wanted $700 for the media server. I was smart again and researched online and bought a Sony warrantee guaranteed refurbished X10 for $170 online instead of $700. I then bought into the Netflix 4K package and after watching flowers and Blacklist, that was it. And Sony's 4K library is terrible so I haven't bought a thing so even at $170 for a $700 media server I would say that I overpaid and got ripped off and I feel really sorry for the people that paid $700 for it. Sony's smart tv section was replaced with the new android TV operating system so now my new TV is outdated and most of the apps on it don't work correctly. Can't watch YouTube 4K in actual 4K. So based on all my experiences and the 4K trend so far I'd say $500 in today's time is a rip off, it's not the 90's anymore.

I am happy with my TV as a 1080p TV but not impressed with the 4K. And, according to the Sony owner's thread on here, most 4K TV's or UHD, call them what you want, but most current 4K TV's and past 4K models will NOT work with the new UHD Blu-Ray player because their boards are not compliant with exception to Samsung and Sony models and some of the Panasonic TV's. And, sure enough, look at all the Black Friday ads on Blackfriday.com and HH Gregg and Best Buy and Walmart are UNLOADING tons of brands, off brands, of 4K TV's that will not work with a 4K UHD Player. And even the lucky people that bought the "correct" 4K model by luck, they'll have a big surprise when the new UHD Blu-Ray player won't work with their stereo receiver because most people don't have a HDCP 2.2 compliant receiver. Luckily again when I upgraded my receiver, I didn't fall for the $1600 Marantz SR7008 because while it may be loaded with features, it doesn't support 4K. When I shopped for receivers only "2" receivers supported 4K HDCP 2.2 compliancy. One was Denon which a Denon receiver burned down my old house so I took a rain check on that. My other option that I chose against critics was to get a Sony ES receiver that had what was important to me, a future. I gave up Audessey and tried it out knowing I could return it, and coupled with my external amp, it's a wonderful receiver. It's not Atmos ready but I don't have room or the desire to buy more additional speakers just to fall for the latest "surround trend" only to find out next year something else will be better than Atmos.

People are going to get sick of this like I am. Show me a shelf full of good UHD or 4K movies at Wal-Mart or Best Buy and player options not just by Samsung, but by Oppo for the rich, Sony for mid grade, Vizio, Panasonic, and even off brand for the less fortunate at a reasonable price and I'll buy in and gladly toss my worthless 4K Media Server in the trash. I also gave up on Netflix's very limited 4K selection and changed my plan back to 1080 today. My TV is "supposed" to automatically upgrade the picture to 4K anyways (Sony XBR-70X-850B) so I didn't see the need to pay Netflix more. Just because Samsung has had their say in what the future of their UHD is going to look like doesn't mean that is actually going to be future. I still think physical media discs will be larger than the 50GB dual layer and the $500 Samsung player will then be worthless when it won't play bigger discs like the 66GB or 100GB discs. I am going to wait this one out until I see some good proof that this is the new thing. When and if UHD Blu-ray becomes the future, the industry needs to stop producing DVDs. They aren't making standard definition TV's anymore so Blu-Ray should be the standard and UHD or 4K should become the "new" blu-ray to the DVD. That would increase it's popularity and then more people will buy into the upgrade discs.
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I will wait till UHD is broadcast OTA. Forget streaming if you live outside a good ISP. I can't imagine the networks are going to be having a dual broadcast anytime soon. They can't even get 1080p yet. Live sports would look fantastic, and even Nova and Nature would be worth the wait. By the time this happens a 60" 4K tv will be $500.
Than you better be ready to wait past 2020, we don't even have 1080p OTA. Here in Canada we are having a 4K sport channel next year that will have MLB,NHL in that resolution. I'm sure the holiday season will have blockbuster door crashers for a 60" 4K, will it be any good.. Probably not. as far as this Samsung uHD player, I'm just waiting for ces' 16 so they announce all the new ones from other manufactures.
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Yeah and once they get every one on to 4K then they will go with 8K displays. I will take a wait and see on the 4K for a couple of years. Rezzy your right in that the sub channels will take more bandwidth out. Here in Houston only the local FOX does not have a sub channel. The rest have 3 and 4 subs. One station has 6 subs and they are piss poor quality. Albeit they are vietnamese channels. But OTA has some of the finest viewing compared to cable and sat. Still wish they could broadcast in 1080p, that would solve a lot of the problems of watching live sports in 1080i with all of the motion artifacts.

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I find streaming is good for small screen viewing. Once I started getting into projection screens 100"+, with seating distances at 9ft, I really started noticing the difference between streaming, downloaded rips, and blu ray. I find downloaded rips are still very good.

My problem with physical media is too high a price, for very questionable content, so much garbage. In Canada, Redbox pulled out earlier this year, and of course, there is no rental shops left. So, that leaves you paying 30-40 CAD for blu ray release, 7-10 CAD to Rogers cable for over compressed VOD ****, Netflix, or downloading the movie. Guess which two are most likely done most often here in Canada. I am guessing the ones that really don't put much money in the studio's pocket, if any.

When studio's and networks cry about piracy, I say they brought it on themselves. I feel no pain for them. Instead of adapting to the changing world, they have fought any change at every turn, doing everything they can to keep the status quo. Instead of giving the customer what they what, when they want, how they want, they tried, and to a very large part, failed, to dictate to the customer what they can have and do. Adapt or become obsolete.

I love physical media, and my price point seems to be around $8-$15 for movies. This is usually when I will pull the trigger on most stuff. I have thought long and hard, and I don't think I am willing to go another round with the studio's. The constant playback issues requiring firmware updates, if the manufacturer still supports it, (l have a blu ray player that cannot play about 25% of the newest discs, if I was to guess, and no firmware update in years) purchasing my collection all over again, for questionable conversions, quality, or "additional features", all for an increase in quality that won't be near as big as the jump from DVD to Blu Ray, apparently. What about TV? Don't know how my US counterparts have it, but here, Rogers being one of the largest cable companies, has got some of the most over-compressed channels one could possibly watch. I mean, HD stuff that looks near SD. They cannot handle 720P steams, they don't even offer 1080P, so 4K, aint going to happen until they switch to IP or whatever its called, and there is no broadcast 4K. Rogers, is apparently going to do some sports games in 2016 for the Blue Jays and other sports teams they own. So, are we supposed to wait until 4 weeks before fall TV starts up, run out and buy 4K releases of the TV shows and binge watch 20 episodes of each show, since that is how they release TV Blu rays it seems. End of summer, early September.

Once 4K projectors come out at $2000 range, I might reconsider, but I just don't see it happening. I want to be wrong, dead wrong, and this post was negative, but, I just don't think the larger consumer groups are going to be rushing to adopt 4K physical media here in Canada, when many internet providers offer unlimited internet now. I pay $95 per month for 250/20, unlimited transfer, NHL access, Shomi (Rogers/Shaw's version of Netflix) and modem included. I can remember when when my telephone line cost me $45.00 a month alone.

Just waiting for Lucas to announce 4K remaster of Star Wars, then 4K remaster of Star Wars, extended edition, and about 5 other releases of Star Wars after that. :P

But what do I know, that's just my opinion.
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I hear ya man, They bitch about piracy and they can fight it by just selling the movies for an average price of $5 they will make more money that way than selling to 10% of the potential buyers for $30 and the rest gets it from torrents, illegal streaming and disc copying.

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