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THIS is the main hesitation I have with going full force into streaming. Anybody that blindly supports streaming and can't see this writing on the wall is...uh...not thinking clearly..
Comcast is piloting a plan in FL to do away with data caps for an extra $30 a month. Here in Nashville and several other cities we're getting Google Fiber--$70 for gig speeds and no data cap. Eventually, it's all going the way of on-demand streaming. In the interim, UHD Bluray will have a place (and look freaking amazing) although I wonder if it will be to home video what vinyl records are to audio, an expensive less-than-ubiquitous niche format for enthusiasts.
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Wife won't be happy! Now she'll have to come up with a different Christmas gift!
Samsung is saying early first quarter 2016. So maybe you will get it as a Valentine day gift instead of the usual.

Also, DigitalTrends is stating the all Fox U-Ray releases will have HDR. Has that been confirmed?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...lu-ray-player/
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First-gen (480-i) DVD players were approx $500, if not more. My original Toshiba (SD107 clearanced @ $350) is still going strong.
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Only 1 HDMI port. Not good for us with older recievers that are not hdcp 2.2.
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You lost me at curved front. I'd like to see the custom rack mount for that. But it is good to see that it is coming in at $500 for first unit out of the gate. I remember paying $999 for my first stereo VHS tape player.
Jeff I'm glad u said that cause that's all that kept ringing in my head as I read this. Say what! Curved!? I see curved racks in our future! Lol. The general public will love it though. Our beach house this year had a giant Sammy curved TV. First time I got to spend some quality time with one. All week I kept looking at it and just didn't get it. Did nothing for me. Everyone else in the house thought it was awesome. But they also think people like me are nuts building a dedicated room. But back to the curved blurry player. Just stupid.
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..., Fox Studios pledged its support to the format by promising to release Ultra HD Blu-rays featuring HDR (high dynamic range) content on the same day-and-date schedule as cloud-based formats and HD Blu-ray. Currently, announced titles for the new format include Fantastic Four, Kingsman: The Secret Service, and Maze Runner—with more to come.
No mention of the Audio: Dolby Atmos/DTS:X or not.

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Hmmm...I'm surprised. ...In Canada most likely $40 ($45 with Cdn tax).

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It'll be a niche market, like analog reel-to-reel tapes (expensive, very).

Nah, we all know that streaming is King. It'll be like high resolution music online [email protected] 176/24 for $30 USA dollars...and more. CD is not only disappearing but quality is also taking a hit...in vast general. CD is becoming real fast one of the most inferior music medium.
With UHD we'll see a similar pattern; Blu-ray 1080p is disappearing from mortar stores (Best Buy, Walmart, HMV, ...) and streaming ultra high definition (UHD) movies is the 2016 right way to do things.

3D won't be in UHD (only HD), and 3D sound (Atmos/DTS:X) is better be with the majority of all UHD Blu-ray releases in 2016 or it will simply flop...here @ AVS with the people like us. Because the regular outside population (the masses) they won't know nothing about UHD when they don't even know about HD on Blu-ray...all they know is DVD and Netflix.
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Don't forget, Samsung introduced the first Blu-ray player, and it was $1000, so $500 for the first UHD BD player out of the gate seems pretty good to me. Of course, I expect prices will come down pretty quickly over the course of a year or two.
Was a different world back then. (Pre-streaming) I think the prices will need to get down in the $300-400 range relatively quick.
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You lost me at curved front. I'd like to see the custom rack mount for that.
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Jeff I'm glad u said that cause that's all that kept ringing in my head as I read this. Say what! Curved!? I see curved racks in our future! Lol. The general public will love it though.
Looks like it is a pretty gentle concave curve...



That being said, I spotted another problem - buttons on the top of the unit. If the front feet are set back far enough, you can move the unit far enough forward through a custom rack faceplate to give access to the buttons. But most of the time, the feet are shallow in the front corners (as you would expect) and bump up against the back side of the faceplate before the function buttons are exposed.

Still...better than the Sony FMP-X1 4K hockey puck. I'd like to beat that industrial designer senseless...with a FMP-X1.

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Samsung is saying early first quarter 2016. So maybe you will get it as a Valentine day gift instead of the usual.

Also, DigitalTrends is stating the all Fox U-Ray releases will have HDR. Has that been confirmed?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...lu-ray-player/



yes, thats very old news actually. Fox already announced that like 3 months ago.
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If they are going to combine 4k blu rays in with the regular blu rays, this is excellent news, because it means they wont be charging $40-50 for a 4k blu ray disc. they cant upcharge regular blu rays and expect the 1080p crowd to be paying extra for something they wont use.


this also could mean, that people with 1080p tvs will simply sell off the 4k disc on ebay/amazon for cheap since they have no use for it. SCORE!!
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@scottwilkinson @imagic is there any way that somebody can get in touch with samsung and find out exactly how a tv or 4k blu ray player will decide to play an HDR version or regular 4k version of a movie? will there be a choice to ignore the HDR data and just play the UHD version or will there be choice? Will this choice be made in the tv or in the blu ray player?

EDIT: also would like to see samsung comment on if this UHD player will only support the standard HDR version or multiple versions. dolby? philips?
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I know it's a bit off topic, but I keep wondering if Fox will finally start releasing movies with Atmos (or DTS:X) in the UHD blu-ray format, since so far all of them (Fox films with 3D audio mixes, Atmos and DTS:X if there are any) have been downscaled to lossless 7.1 for blu-rays at best (same case with Disney).

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''under'' $500... $499 that is so overpriced its hilarious. wait until the other 5+ company's release a player then we can see how quick the price drops.
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I can't wait until CES 2016 for the rest of the bunch to introduce their players. I'm happy they are getting the ball rolling but this is one ugly cheap looking player.

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''under'' $500... $499 that is so overpriced its hilarious. wait until the other 5+ company's release a player then we can see how quick the price drops.

thats a very fair price.

i paid 599 18 months ago for my OPPO 1080P blu ray player (and still carries the same price tag now too), expect OPPO UHD players to be at least $1000.


I am not sure of the inner specs of this particular UHD player, but they will be more than just disc players, they will be full media centers that will run apps such as netflix, etc all with 4k. some of these will also have built in hard drives for downloading 4k movies. can your regular blu ray player do that?

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Currently, announced titles for the new format include Fantastic Four, Kingsman: The Secret Service, and Maze Runner—with more to come.
There better be more than that at launch! I can't drop $500 on a Gen1 player if there are no movies I care to buy. I'm hoping for at least the new 4k transfer of Fifth Element (why else would they have made it if not to release it on UHD at launch?), maybe two or three other catalogs worth rebuying, maybe a Marvel film like Ultron (I know, its 2k mastered, but I think we should all agree that a UHD-BD of any film should still look better than its bluray thanks to more colors and bitrate), Interstellar (could we hope for TDK/TDKR at launch?).

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Curved player to match the curved screen?
Only if I can also get a curved HDMI cable to go with it. And a curved remote control. :P

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Thanks for the pic! I had read they showed the box, but was unable to find any pics of it. I like the box look from what I can tell. I'm still not sure it's different enough that a lot of consumers won't still be confused and buy it on accident thinking its a bluray.

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So, I can barely make it out in the picture of kingsman above, but it looks like that is shown to come with a normal Blu-Ray as well, similar to what they do now with Blu-Ray + Digital HD/DVD?

I'm hoping this is the case/standard, as I "only" own an HW40ES, 1080p projector, but one day hope to have a 4K setup. I'd like to start buying 4K Blu-Ray discs right now to be ready for when I have a 4K setup, even if it costs a bit more per blu-ray, as long as they come with a standard disc I can play now with my current setup.
Good catch! It definitely says Ultra HD + Bluray + Digital HD (or something like that)! That's great news. If they all come with a "regular HD" Bluray, that will go a loong way to justifying the premium and get a few enthusiasts like us buying even if we don't get the player immediately.
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What I want to know is if you'll be able to downscale UHD streaming with one of these players, which would result in Blu-ray quality Netflix. I could see people with HDTVs buying these boxes if there was a benefit even for 1080p TVs, and that would be good for the new format.

I definitely wonder if it'll be worth buying into the new format if your TV is still 1080p. If the prices are low enough and you can get a "perfect" 1080p stream out of it, then yes.
Well, if it doesn't downscale properly, then they will be cutting off a good percentage of potential early adopters. I won't have a UHDtv for years probably but would still like improved pq, I will jump all in if it does downscale. And I do mean "properly" downscale, such that it is still better than the bluray and not just downscaled to exactly bluray specs by cutting the bitrate or colors. Can't many displays accept a 4:4:4 signal from a PC? So shouldn't we be able to get that from a downscaled UHD bluray (I think I understand that 2160p 4:2:0 can be downscaled to 1080 4:4:4)? So even an 8bit hdtv could still get improved color from a UHD bluray downscaled, in addition to the increased bitrate UHD-BD offers.

The CIH/Anamorphic lens guys should be clamoring for UHD BD if one of the players can output 1920x1080 anamorphic 2.35 downscaled.
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$500 and it doesn't even include 3D? lol! Um...no thanks.
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I'll be more excited when they announce the drives to rip the movie off of the slow discs and onto my server.
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I didn't think they would put "4k" on the box since its not actually 4k
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in other words, samsung announces... a delay.
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I didn't think they would put "4k" on the box since its not actually 4k

ah, i didnt realize that. 4k is 4096, UHD is a slight step down at 3860 right?

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I thought sony released the first blu ray player ?
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thats a very fair price.

i paid 599 18 months ago for my OPPO 1080P blu ray player (and still carries the same price tag now too), expect OPPO UHD players to be at least $1000.


I am not sure of the inner specs of this particular UHD player, but they will be more than just disc players, they will be full media centers that will run apps such as netflix, etc all with 4k. some of these will also have built in hard drives for downloading 4k movies. can your regular blu ray player do that?
well i have a everything goes through my windows 10 PC so yes it does. i have Netflix and a ton of apps through the windows store. running 4k on my AMH A399U UHD 39.5" 4K monitor and with 18TB of storage through 3 6TB HGST Deskstar with my Blu-Ray movies stored on them i think i am pretty good. paying over $500 plus on a Blu-ray player for free apps and a cheap HDD is insane. even dirt cheap smart tv's have all that stuff built in that you would otherwise pay allot for. if they just made a UHD player that does the simple job of playing the movie without all the gimmicks it would be allot cheaper, but since you have to pack in a whole lot of bs to attract customers they can get away with charging more. my LG WH14NS40 does the job of playing movies pretty freaking well so i don't see the point.
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well i have a everything goes through my windows 10 PC so yes it does. i have Netflix and a ton of apps through the windows store. running 4k on my AMH A399U UHD 39.5" 4K monitor and with 18TB of storage through 3 6TB HGST Deskstar with my Blu-Ray movies stored on them i think i am pretty good. paying over $500 plus on a Blu-ray player for free apps and a cheap HDD is insane. even dirt cheap smart tv's have all that stuff built in that you would otherwise pay allot for. if they just made a UHD player that does the simple job of playing the movie without all the gimmicks it would be allot cheaper, but since you have to pack in a whole lot of bs to attract customers they can get away with charging more. my LG WH14NS40 does the job of playing movies pretty freaking well so i don't see the point.


since you run your BD player through a computer, im sorry it doesnt count. yours is a special case. the UHD player will have all that stuff built in, and a seperate computer wont be "needed" to accomplish these things. These companies releasing these players arent catering to the extremely small percentage of people who hook up their equipment to PCS. Ill be more than happy to buy an "all in one" player.

while I think 499 would be a fair price for such a state of the art machine, im not gonna be a first day buyer. But I may wait a month or 2 or 3 for it to drop in price.

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I do not like this "early 2016" bit. Where was the promise of stuff before the 2015 december holidays <sad emojii>
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i paid a grand for my first dvd player almost 20 years ago, so... Of course it was built like a tank, the sony dvp7000. cant judge based on price alone.
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Don't forget, Samsung introduced the first Blu-ray player, and it was $1000, so $500 for the first UHD BD player out of the gate seems pretty good to me. Of course, I expect prices will come down pretty quickly over the course of a year or two.
I remember it was less expensive to buy a computer blu ray drive than a stand-alone player and play it over my PC with Arcsoft. They were so outrageously expensive compared to HD DVD.
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Don't forget, Samsung introduced the first Blu-ray player, and it was $1000, so $500 for the first UHD BD player out of the gate seems pretty good to me. Of course, I expect prices will come down pretty quickly over the course of a year or two.
This is absolutely correct, Scott. I couldn't agree more. These are indeed very exciting days for us home theater enthusiasts.

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Pretty outrageous in both price and in the timed release window. I'd like to know what is driving the costs of this player up unless it's positioned as a premium player like OPPO. This isn't exactly like sweeping changes in technology like tape to laser disc, DVD, and currently Blu-Ray.

Looks like they're still packing in unnecessary discs and digital copies into the box too. Hopefully they just do singular units here.

People still point to streaming, but audio is an important factor to me, just as important as picture really, and it's hard to get good quality audio from streaming. Physical media is still needed, at least in the US where we are far behind other countries with our internet infrastructures (aka speed).
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