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Philips at CES 2016

Just when I thought I wouldn't see the Philips brand at CES any more, it showed up in a huge ballroom at the Renaissance hotel this week. As you may know, a Japanese company called Funai licensed the brand a couple of years ago, and it has re-emerged big time.

For 2016, the Philips brand includes three lines of 4K/UHD TVs, all of which are capable of high dynamic range (HDR) using the HDR10 open standard with HEVC and VC9 decoders. And all should be available by mid-year.


At the top of the heap is the 8600 series, which includes 55" and 65" sizes for $1200 and $1700, respectively. These sets use FALD (full-array local-dimming) backlights with 32 zones—a very small number, which is understandable at these prices. More importantly, they exhibit a wide color gamut (82% of BT.2020) and implement Dolby Vision as well as HDR10.


The 7000 series features a razor-thin design in screen sizes of 49" ($850), 55" ($1000), and 60" ($1400) and edgelighting.


The 6000 series includes screen sizes of 43" ($750), 55" ($900), and 65" ($1400). The two smaller sizes use FALD backlighting with IPS panels, while the 65-incher uses edgelighting with a VA panel.


I was surprised to see a Philips Ultra HD Blu-ray player, the BDP7501. It conforms to the Blu-ray Disc Association's specs for such a device and will carry a price tag of $400.
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Prices are neat for premium series with both HDR standarts + FALD, can someone specify peak brightness and black levels?
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They seem very good for the price, but with the advent of 4k and 8k, I was hoping more manufactures would release at least one 80" model for affordable prices. (-5k)
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Do any of the new models support 3D? If so, is it passive or active?

I'm looking for a new living room set and have the following requirements...

Screen size: 55, 60, or 65"
Resolution: 2160p is a must
HDR support is a must. HDR-10 via. HDMI 2.0a and streaming apps required. Additional support for Dolby Vision preferred.
HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on the same port required on at least one input. 3 inputs preferred. My current receiver is HDMI 2.0 level B (10.2 Gbps), meaning it can pass 2160p60, 8-bit, 4:2:0, but lacks HDCP 2.2 support. Eventually I will replace it, but plan to do split AV from 4K source devices until then.
3D support required. Passive highly preferred. Active acceptable as a last resort.
Light source: OLED/FALD preferred. Edge-lit w/ good local dimming acceptable, provided no noticeable light bleed or flashlighting
Panel type: OLED/VA preferred. IPS acceptable provided black levels are not too poor (since it's a living room set, there will always be at least some ambient light.)
Design: Flat highly preferred. Don't care about thickness.
Smart TV OS: don't care
Apps: Some HDR-capable apps would be nice, but I can always get those from a UHD Blu-Ray player or Nvidia Shield with a Roku 4, FireTV2, or FMP-X10 for additional SDR 4K apps.
Price: willing to spend up to 2.5k for a 55"+ OLED that has everything I want. 1.5k max for a 55/60" LED/LCD w/ passive 3D. 2K max for a 65" LED/LCD w/ passive 3D.
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Where can you buy Phillips TV in the US. I have seen the U-Ray player for preorder at VE, but where can you by the displays? Looks like they may be using some kind of anti-glare tech, as the reflections look very good in the pics.

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Scott, when you speak with manufacturers try to get P3 numbers out of them as well. Full P3 coverage is more important than 2020. 82% of 2020 could still mean they miss a significant chunk of P3. Also, no mention of luminance. If they fall well short of 1000 nits, then these tv's will be the real test of how much Dolby Vision tone mapping helps in a mid-tier television. Fair to assume these aren't trying to meet Ultra HD Premium specs?

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I don't see how this could be a true FALD and be this thin. Just more Psuedo FALD to muddy up the waters liike Sony and the slim backlight X930D.

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Scott Wilkinson, does this news mean that these TVs will be available in the US this year? The prices for the 8600 series and it's features seem terrific for those who can't reasonably spend more than $2000 on a set, but I've not known Philips to release their TVs in the US. I don't want to get my hopes up for the 65" 8600, to find out just cause it was here at CES, means it'll be released here.
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Worth mentioning is that all 3300 employees of Philips TV division were transferred to TP Vision in 2012. They make FALDs, Funai Philips probably does not make FALDs. They had a laser TV last year though, wonder if that is going anywere..
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Where can you buy Phillips TV in the US. I have seen the U-Ray player for preorder at VE, but where can you by the displays? Looks like they may be using some kind of anti-glare tech, as the reflections look very good in the pics.

PC Richards in NYC , BB had the lower models as well as Target hopefully the flagship comes here.


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Worth mentioning is that all 3300 employees of Philips TV division were transferred to TP Vision in 2012. They make FALDs, Funai Philips probably does not make FALDs. They had a laser TV last year though, wonder if that is going anywere..

The Funai contract was 7-8 yrs (2008?) it may be all TP Vision (fingers crossed).


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The Funai contract was 7-8 yrs (2008?) it may be all TP Vision (fingers crossed).


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Right. Contract should be ending this year or last year. They have extended the brand licence agreement in april 2015. The new contract ends 31-12-2018.
http://www.twice.com/news/tv/philips...greement/56771
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ABC Warehouse also sells Phillips. Don't know if they will be offering these.
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The Funai contract was 7-8 yrs (2008?) it may be all TP Vision (fingers crossed).


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http://datanews.knack.be/ict/tp-visi...al-645175.html

TP Vision just let go almost all of its European team "to improve its operational efficiency in order to achieve better financial results." I wouldn't cross my fingers.
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Don't see too many Philips 4k mentioned, but we picked up a 7000 series 55" at HHGregg this week for $548. Fantastic picture quality and super thin and light weight. The only negative we have noticed it has as much if not more glare than what our 10yr old Panasonic plasma has.
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