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post #31 of 111 Old 02-27-2016, 04:03 PM
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I will need to research this HDFury.....

It would be best if the studios would just release ATMOS soundtracks on the BD as well as the UHD releases. They have been doing it up until now anyways.
I would prefer that as well because I rent more than I purchase. However, the initial trend seems to be pointing to UHD having more Atmos tracks.

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So let me see if I understand this correctly..

If my projector isn't a native 4K projector, I can do the following:
1. Purchase a Samsung UHD player(or whatever brand comes out next).
2. Purchase the HDFury
3. Hook the player up with HDFury in the loop.

Then I can play the 4K version of the movie and gain the ATMOS/DTSX sound?
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I would prefer that as well because I rent more than I purchase. However, the initial trend seems to be pointing to UHD having more Atmos tracks.



Roger, that is affirmative.
That is something I will definitely look into..
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I understood this to be disc dependent, but the player can sense via HDMI that the display is 1080p and downscale accordingly?


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Yes. It will detect that it's not 2.2 and downscale.

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I do not have a Dolby atmos system.


But I can tell you that the UHD movies encoded with dolby atmos sound GREAT!! I was very pleasantly surprised how awesome it sounds. Very clear and extremely punchy. My 3 dolby atmos titles sound better than all the rest I have.
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Have you made the jump to Atmos/DTS:X yet? I enjoy the audio enough to purchase the UHD version if it has immersive audio.
Yes already running a 7.2.4 and find Atmos fantastic but I can get Atmos with a normal Blu-ray.
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this could be the biggest BUST since 3D. Most people seeing no difference between blu rey and UHD
Doubtful. When Blu ray first rolled out, the first transfers were terrible and everyone was complaining Blu ray wasn't much better than DVD. This is why HD DVD had the immediate edge because of superior transfers and compression codec. Currently, I think you would have a hard time finding folks in projection land stating DVD was hardly different looking from Blu ray. Give it a few years and UHD will be incredible once implemented properly like Blu ray.

Side note, since getting the JVC RS500 I'm totally addicted to 3D right now. I hated 3D on my previous JVC RS4910. I can't get over how awesome 3D looks now. Too bad 3D is on the decline like you noted due to poor home implantation/sales.

Personally I'm holding out until Oppo rolls out a UHD player to jump in with UHD.
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I'll get in on this eventually, because that'll likely be it as far as physical media goes. 8 or 16k on a disc? Not likely to happen..
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this could be the biggest BUST since 3d..most people seeing no difference tween rey and UHD blu rey
Plus that AACS 2.0 enhanced is scary, sorry the disc will not play your key has been revoked. Not gonna buy a disc that Hollywood can reach into my home and brick it.
Plus from what I read the HDR LCD sets have problems with clouding and flash-lighting and the incredible LG OLED sets are $5,000 - $8,000 wow!
Standard Blu-Ray is the way to go for now imho.
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Plus that AACS 2.0 enhanced is scary, sorry the disc will not play your key has been revoked. Not gonna buy a disc that Hollywood can reach into my home and brick it.
Plus from what I read the HDR LCD sets have problems with clouding and flash-lighting and the incredible LG OLED sets are $5,000 - $8,000 wow!
Standard Blu-Ray is the way to go for now imho.

Agreed on all points!
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Will the titles mastered in dolby vision use a hdr10 base layer? In other words will the players play the dv titles in hdr as the players do not support dolby vision.
For the UHD Blu-ray format, if a disc has HDR it MUST have hdr10. Content providers (and player manufacturers) are free to to add additional layers of proprietary HDR variants, like Dolby Vision, but everything must have HDR10 if it has HDR at all.

So for UHD discs that have Dolby Vision, yes they must also have regular HDR10.
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Avforums has a nice breakdown of the movies and their provenance:

https://www.avforums.com/article/a-g...-blu-ray.12353

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Atypical Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray Player

No one's enthusiasm should be quelled (I am serious: Joy to all that venture into UHD); yet the requirements for Optimum viewing are skipped/glossed over on the User Manual and Troubleshooting guides for this specific product listed in title.

This is just one product coming to stores/homes and the information I was actually searching for was not found. EULA, TOS, Privacy Statements. < That's linked to EFF. Concerning the required network connection one will need to obtain access to Enhanced Mode.

I have obtained the following screen caps from the user manual and online trouble shooting tips.

First a user will more than likely have to update the firmware, no biggie we are all helpful to the masses of people we support on their 1.5Mb DSL connections.

Second we are all familiar with the incomplete read between the lines statements for help guides half baked:



omitted AACS 2.0 uhh... Don't you mean required:



Let us not forget the POWER USER'S lack of ability to NOT botch up all the key's they already have synced with the Authentication Servers, will be blitzed when you mash this button for 5 seconds.


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Question:
If you have a 2014-15 4k with 2.0 ports and hdcp 2.2 will the Samsung 4k player p l aye true 4k or drop it to 1080p?

This may be the why some of us can't tell the difference between 1089p answer 2160p on the new 4k players.
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this could be the biggest BUST since 3d..most people seeing no difference tween rey and UHD blu rey
I've invited 29 of my clients to my HT and not a single one of them seeing no difference "tween rey and UHD blu rey"
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You don't need a 4K TV. The Samsung player has a 1080p resolution setting. Also the UHD blu rays have been coming with a standard blu ray as well.
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I wish the manufacturers would get their skates on and release some UHD players in Europe. My ancient Panasonic B-R player has died (maybe the boiler has packed up) and I don't want to buy a now obsolescent regular B-R player. I understand that Samsung and Panasonic are already taking orders in the USA but Europe seems to be the poor cousins at the moment. I would quite like to get a Sony model, as that will probably play SACD discs as well, which would be a bonus for me.

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I've invited 29 of my clients to my HT and not a single one of them seeing no difference "tween rey and UHD blu rey"
Was this back when you had the previous production model or recently?
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this is recent. In the last 2 weekends, actually, hence I've only got the chance to invite 29 of my clients so far. Prior to that, I was not allowed to showcase my system to the public even though they're my client. Regardless, my method is showing a scene using UHD BD, then immediately switch to regular BD playing the same scene. The most common reaction were "Wow!!". And I'm only using a 96" scope screen.

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Personally I'm holding out until Oppo rolls out a UHD player to jump in with UHD.
They better do it soon because I think a lot of people aren't going to spend $500 plus on a player that doesn't do UHD at this point in time. I grabbed the Samsung UHD player yesterday and watched The Martian "4k" on my new JS9000 last night. I also watched Lucy which is just blu-ray with the Samsung and it looked amazing too.
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Is Game of Thrones Season 5 UHD a misprint in the article? I can't find anything on the internet about a UHD release.
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For the UHD Blu-ray format, if a disc has HDR it MUST have hdr10. Content providers (and player manufacturers) are free to to add additional layers of proprietary HDR variants, like Dolby Vision, but everything must have HDR10 if it has HDR at all.

So for UHD discs that have Dolby Vision, yes they must also have regular HDR10.
Is HDR10 a HDR format on its own or is it just a base for other proprietary HDR formats like Dolby Vision to build upon? If I have a display that is not Dolby Vision compatible but has HDR10, can I still view a Dolby Vision movie in HDR using HDR10? If yes, how much of a downgrade in the HDR experience will there be viewing a Dolby Vision movie in only HDR10 (if it is possible)?
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Hmm. This is interesting. Need to find out what is available to me here in Sweden.
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I am very disappointed with ATMOS not present on regular Blu-Rays, the studios are saving it for the UHD BD. However, for example with Martian, there is neither version with ATMOS. This movie is excelent example of the UHD nonsense, having only 2K DI but put on 4K UHD BD, not even in 3D nor ATMOS. Very sad...
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I am very disappointed with ATMOS not present on regular Blu-Rays, the studios are saving it for the UHD BD. However, for example with Martian, there is neither version with ATMOS. This movie is excelent example of the UHD nonsense, having only 2K DI but put on 4K UHD BD, not even in 3D nor ATMOS. Very sad...
Huh? While it's not the case with THE MARTIAN, there are dozens of regular (and 3D) titles with Atmos.(Including next week's IN THE HEART OF THE SEA).
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One word: Hobbit... and dozens of others Some studios claimed, they won't release no new BD Atmos title as they saving it for UHD. And with the Martian it is really a pitty, exactly with this movie. I hope there's another edition in the future like for Gravity was.
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I got a 60ft Redmere cable back in '08 or so. Will it be compatible with 4K UHD streams?
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Is HDR10 a HDR format on its own or is it just a base for other proprietary HDR formats like Dolby Vision to build upon? If I have a display that is not Dolby Vision compatible but has HDR10, can I still view a Dolby Vision movie in HDR using HDR10? If yes, how much of a downgrade in the HDR experience will there be viewing a Dolby Vision movie in only HDR10 (if it is possible)?
My understanding is that HDR10 and Dolby Vision are simply different implementations of HDR. HDR10 is more basic and open for anyone to use. Dolby Vision optimizes the HRD signal based on the monitor's capabilities, but it is proprietary and requires a fee for the player and TV manufacturers to use it. Which is why the UHD Blu-ray format made HDR10 mandatory and left the option for Dolby Vision (or other variants) if manufacturers want to include it.

Yes, if your display does not do Dolby Vision (like the vast majority of current HDR monitors do not) but does HDR10, then it will display the HDR10 from a UHD BD that has Dobly Vision.

This applies to UHD Blu-ray. Streaming and download services are not bound by the UHD Blu-ray specifications. So if your TV only does HDR10 it would not display any HDR if you were streaming something that was only Dobly Vision.

No idea how much of a downgrade, if any, one would see going from Dobly Vision to HDR10. I believe the main difference is that Dolby Vision allows the signal output to be optimized according to what your specific display can handle, while with HDR10 the different display manufacturers have to figure out how to best display HDR. But I'm not sure that there is really significant difference in the actual quality of the HDR. I think the difference is more in how easy, or not, it is to optimize the display to the HDR encode.
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I have a three-year-old Panasonic plasma 65VT50 which has incredible color and blacks, coupled with a BDT-500 blu-ray. And my sound system is 7.2.4 Atmos with a Yamaha RX-A3050 and all Klipsch Reference speakers.

Recently I picked up a remastered copy of The Fifth Element, done up in 4K and Dolby Atmos. The opening scenes are jaw-dropping. I must somehow be benefiting from the 4K remaster in some sort on my 1080p plasma because the picture is as sharp as any UHD LED I've seen in big box stores. And, of course, the music and sound is incredible in Atmos. I highly recommend this classic.
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