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Sony UDP-X1000ES Ultra HD Blu-ray Player at CEDIA 2016

At the CEDIA 2016 Sony press conference, the company introduced its first-ever Ultra HD Blu-ray player, the UDP-X1000ES. Slated to ship in spring 2017 at a yet to be determined price, the new reference model is also the first new ES Blu-ray player from the company in five years.


Sony's UDP-X1000ES Ultra HD Blu-ray player.


This new machine is a universal player, meaning it handles a broad array of audio and video formats. In addition to Ultra HD Blu-ray, these include DVD video, DVD audio, CD, SA-CD, Blu-ray 3D, and BD-ROM media.


The rear panel of the UDP-X1000ES.

On the audio side, the player has 32-bit processing DAC and is compatible with DSD (up to 11.2 MHz) and PCM (up to 192kHz) hi-res formats. Furthermore, thanks to the inclusion of a front panel display, it can be used as a music player without turning on a video display.

Sony is working with home control and automation companies like Control4, Crestron, Savant, and others to ensure the X1000ES is fully certified and functions properly with their systems. The UBP-X1000ES provides many connectivity options including IP Control and support for Wi-Fi networks; RS232C control and IR.
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Is that 2 hdmi? The one labeled 2 looks like a dummie covered with some sort of tape.


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At the CEDIA 2016 Sony press conference, the company introduced its first-ever Ultra HD Blu-ray player, the UDP-X1000ES. Slated to ship in spring 2017 at a yet to be determined price, the new reference model is also the first new ES Blu-ray player from the company in five years.

Stupid move by Sony:

Available exclusively via custom installers, the UBP-X1000ES will start shipping in spring 2017, but so far Sony is keeping quiet about pricing.

SONY UNVEILS ITS FIRST 4K ULTRA HD BLU-RAY PLAYER, $15K HDR PROJECTOR
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So, one should expect a hefty premium price... it will be a battle of the universals once Oppo steps into the ring. Too bad that it sounds like only the Oppo will be the easier one to get a hold of.

However, no one will have a Dolby Vision player until later in 2017.

I'll hang on to my Samsung and pray it lasts that long.

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Is that 2 hdmi? The one labeled 2 looks like a dummie covered with some sort of tape.

Perhaps just covered to prevent accidental use of the HDMI audio out during CEDIA?


The player better has two HDMI outputs (one for video, one for audio), otherwise it will be of little use to owners of older AVRs which do not support HDCP 2.2, yet.


I really love the sleek design of it. My first LaserDisc, DVD and BD player were all Sonys, would love this one to be my first UHD BD player.

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As for audio, the player features a 32-bit DAC (digital-to-analog converter) and support for high-resolution audio, including LPCM up to 192 kHz and DSD up to 11.2 MHz. Like some other recent players we’ve seen, this model features dual HDMI outputs — one for audio and one for video.
Custom installers only??????

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Custom installers only??????

With so many things that apparently can go wrong properly connecting a UHD BD player to a 4K viewing device, esecially if it's a 4K Sony front projector, such a consideration might not be that unwise.


For anybody else you can get yourself a Playstation 4 Pro - wait a minute, it doesn't come with a UHD BD drive...

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Along with the various debacles at Sony Studios this just takes the cake.

They're a bunch of flipp'n morons.
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Along with the various debacles at Sony Studios this just takes the cake.

They're a bunch of flipp'n morons.
I have to agree. Betamax, SACD, now this? What else? Give me a 4K Blu-ray solution for my HTPC. That I will buy, but this and its surely exorbitant cost, I'll pass. My AVR does up to 5.6 MHz DSD; while it is not 11.2 MHz DSD like this player, it is good enough for me considering that from my viewpoint, anyway, commercially available DSD files are mostly 2.8 MHz so far.

It seems like Sony is attempting to return to the days when it actually was a leader in some areas of technology; however, they lost that several years back and have not yet recovered - IMO.
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With so many things that apparently can go wrong properly connecting a UHD BD player to a 4K viewing device, esecially if it's a 4K Sony front projector, such a consideration might not be that unwise.


For anybody else you can get yourself a Playstation 4 Pro - wait a minute, it doesn't come with a UHD BD drive...
For anybody else you can get yourself a Xbox One S.

Fixed that for you!
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Somebody at Sony is going to get fired....

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They will probably get promoted, knowing Sony.
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They have only two preouts and no HDMI in? sheesh. I'll wait for Oppo's UHD player. Although even an Oppo with 7.1 preouts would be incomplete in the Atmos era, so preouts are irrelevant unless it decodes Atmos too.

Man this hobby is expensive on the audio / player side. Too bad MS screwed up by not bitstreaming Atmos or DTS:X on the new Xbox, and Sony totally dropped the ball on the PS4 Pro. I really think some of the people in charge at these companies have no clue what they're doing.
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What the H... is going on at Sony?

Are they promoting Oppo

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it will have to compete with the already excellent Panasonic UB900 which has a 6 month+ head start, shipping now in the US.
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Seems like a really weird move on Sony's part. Especially since they are trying to push 4K / HDR big time.
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Stupid move by Sony:

Available exclusively via custom installers, the UBP-X1000ES will start shipping in spring 2017, but so far Sony is keeping quiet about pricing.

SONY UNVEILS ITS FIRST 4K ULTRA HD BLU-RAY PLAYER, $15K HDR PROJECTOR
looks expensive
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Well it is not looking good for DolbyVision. That leaves pretty much only LG left to included it in its upcoming U-Ray Players. Also, it look like Sony is trying to kill physical media anyway. No 4K disc support for the new PS4 and now this being special order. This despite the recent uptick in disc based sales. It seems control over their media is more important than some slight profits from a niche product line. Someone better come along and offer everything soon and drag the rest of the industry forward.
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I wonder if it will play 50Hz DVD's, usually British TV transfers to DVD/BR, or would you have to purchase another player?
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I don't know, does the Xbox One S truly bitstream audio yet? To some, that's the bigger offense.
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Well it is not looking good for DolbyVision. That leaves pretty much only LG left to included it in its upcoming U-Ray Players. Also, it look like Sony is trying to kill physical media anyway. No 4K disc support for the new PS4 and now this being special order. This despite the recent uptick in disc based sales. It seems control over their media is more important than some slight profits from a niche product line. Someone better come along and offer everything soon and drag the rest of the industry forward.
Not having Samsung and Sony on their side pretty much doomed Dolby Vision at the consumer side IMO. I would say Disney could have changed that, but with HDR10 being a required spec for Ultra HD I think Dolby Vision at least for the homes goose is cooked as anything but a niche product. And with the push by Samsung to include dynamic metadata to HDR10 sure makes it look like Samsung and Sony don't want to pay the licensing fees for what seems to be a fairly similar product.

But I agree with you on it looking like Sony wants to kill physical media, which is a goofy front to make for the only major electronics manufacturer that is connected in some part to a major studio. Sony announcing an ES custom installer player as their only player right now? Wow. Hopefully something very soon will be announced bySoy for the mainstream consumer who is still particular about quality. But this is discouraging. At least now we know why they didn't include in PS4 Pro. They want to separate people from their $$$$ for way more then $400 to get into 4K UltraHD.

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I don't know, does the Xbox One S truly bitstream audio yet? To some, that's the bigger offense.
I cannot say that I own one, however, if the page for settings is to be believed, it does apparently to some extent - as it has settings for HDMI out - bitstream.
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I cannot say that I own one, however, if the page for settings is to be believed, it does apparently to some extent - as it has settings for HDMI out - bitstream.
Xbox One does not do bitstream HD audio.
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Not having Samsung and Sony on their side pretty much doomed Dolby Vision at the consumer side IMO. I would say Disney could have changed that, but with HDR10 being a required spec for Ultra HD I think Dolby Vision at least for the homes goose is cooked as anything but a niche product. And with the push by Samsung to include dynamic metadata to HDR10 sure makes it look like Samsung and Sony don't want to pay the licensing fees for what seems to be a fairly similar product.
Just a note. HDR10 is not a required spec for Ultra HD Blu-ray. It is only required if they want to put HDR on the disc. As in whenever Dolby Vision discs start coming out, they are required to have an HDR10 base layer. But there are already discs out there with no HDR whatsoever.
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Sony is very confusing

I guess they are trying to become a "premium" brand or at least highly thought of as they were in the '80's. Have no idea how restricting the unit to installers only promotes your product but Sony has always been a little quirky. Nice to have options and 6 months is a long time to release so it could just be the tip of a new line.

If not, there is always Playstation--right?
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...But there are already discs out there with no HDR whatsoever.
UHD BD disks without HDR but with rec2020 color, movies? Can you point me to a few? Thanks.

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For anybody else you can get yourself a Xbox One S.

Fixed that for you!
Can you also fix the numerous discs it has difficulty playing...and the unbearable loading times?
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UHD BD disks with rec2020 color, movies? Can you point me to a few? Thanks.
As far as I know, there are no movies with rec.2020 color. But off the top of my head, the Shout Factory Imax movies have both SDR and HDR versions on the disc. The German version of Texas Chainsaw Massacre is SDR only. Possibly some other German discs of old remastered obscure movies.
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