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At the 0:57 mark in the video the blacks are deep as space if it looks like that in person then a high end OLED is must for my future upgrades. i do wish they had 21:9 screens but the price would probably be out of this world
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100% DCI-P3? Is that new for the 77" G6, or are they claiming that for all the OLEDs coming off the line now?
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But have they fixed the stuttery pans?
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At the 0:57 mark in the video the blacks are deep as space if it looks like that in person then a high end OLED is must for my future upgrades. i do wish they had 21:9 screens but the price would probably be out of this world
Just curious, but what type of display are you using to watch the video? The black levels you are seeing on your display may actually be higher (less black) than what you would see in person.

On the one hand, you might love the blacks of the OLED even better once you see it in person. On the other, if you are amazed by the blacks you are seeing in the video and you're watching it on an LCD then LCD-quality blacks might be good enough for you.
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Just curious, but what type of display are you using to watch the video? The black levels you are seeing on your display may actually be higher (less black) than what you would see in person.

On the one hand, you might love the blacks of the OLED even better once you see it in person. On the other, if you are amazed by the blacks you are seeing in the video and you're watching it on an LCD then LCD-quality blacks might be good enough for you.
My pc screen LCD. The black levels are ok but I'm 100% sure an OLED would be a quantum leap ahead in every single way.

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100% DCI-P3? Is that new for the 77" G6, or are they claiming that for all the OLEDs coming off the line now?
That's definitely new. Other 2016 models have been measured somewhere between 94-96%. Definitely not 100%. I'm guessing some complicated math is being used to get to that number.

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20 Grand for a 77" TV though?? Not going to have many sales at that price.
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20 Grand for a 77" TV though?? Not going to have many sales at that price.
There is allot of rich people in this world who could care less about 20k so I think a allot gets sold. Same goes for 2 million dollar cars that are sold out before they are even finished being made.

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Drool!!

Loose the overpriced soundbar that I hope nobody would use on such an awesome display and that may bring it down to $16K.

I bet if they did get rid of the soundbar and add another year under the belt this could be down to $12K or who know less. It's a start but getting rid of the nice looking but useless soundbar is a quick way to cut some money off this display..

Really want this display...

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Drool!!

Loose the overpriced soundbar that I hope nobody would use on such an awesome display and that may bring it down to $16K.

I bet if they did get rid of the soundbar and add another year under the belt this could be down to $12K or who know less. It's a start but getting rid of the nice looking but useless soundbar is a quick way to cut some money off this display..

Really want this display...

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I have the 65 inch..... No stuttery pans.... Best motion ever.
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20 Grand for a 77" TV though?? Not going to have many sales at that price.
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There is allot of rich people in this world who could care less about 20k so I think a allot gets sold. Same goes for 2 million dollar cars that are sold out before they are even finished being made.

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this is why i worry about oled. the typical rapper or pro athlete had no problem dropping 10grand or more on a first gen plasma because it was thin and cool. but today, there's nothing 'cool' about a 77" screen hanging on your wall. those kinds of consumers are looking at larger screens instead.

it's unfortunate that those with the means to support new technologies rarely care about performance. makes it very difficult for a technology like this to reach a point where the average enthusiast can afford it unless it's also 'cool' too, and i don't think LG has the advertising budget to make oled 'hip'.

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but will those ppl want a 77" display, or an 85-100" display? will they choose small oled over larger led?

as for $2million cars being sold out, that's still usually less than 100 units(if not less than 20!), which really isn't going to make a significant splash in the tv market

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But have they fixed the stuttery pans?
Too many people were begging for stuttering, so they merely gave the people what they wanted (24p without an option for smoothing = guaranteed stuttering).
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The old 77" model didn't sell, so why would this one? If someone doesn't mind spending $20K, they wouldn't have minded spending $25k last year.

I'm guessing those who have money to burn typically have a dedicated home theater with a projector.
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but will those ppl want a 77" display, or an 85-100" display? will they choose small oled over larger led?
I think most would get the 100" Sony ZD9 for $50k instead of this. I would, if cost were no object. I think OLED looks the best but 100" more than makes up for it.
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I think most would get the 100" Sony ZD9 for $50k instead of this. I would, if cost were no object. I think OLED looks the best but 100" more than makes up for it.
The age-old question - size or quality
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Luckily my wife doesn't have to choose. She gets small and mediocre, regardless.
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HFR is the next year OLED step up, I'd wait, this is a late release for the 77 inch.

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Size is a good spot for larger homes. Family room doesn't work well for projection. So the size issue doesn't come into play.

I personally am glad to see this. I can't afford it now, but that's been true for every new high end tech that eventually makes it way to a more consumer friendly versions.
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There is allot of rich people in this world who could care less about 20k so I think a allot gets sold. Same goes for 2 million dollar cars that are sold out before they are even finished being made.

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While I understand your point, it's worth mentioning that $2M cars are much more exciting than $20k TV's. Once fancy TV's show up in rap videos I'll stand corrected.

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But have they fixed the stuttery pans?
I've never seen a stuttery pan on any OLED unless someone foolishly left any of the motion enhancement options enabled.

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HFR is the next year OLED step up, I'd wait, this is a late release for the 77 inch.
I really, really dislike every HFR demo I've ever seen. Certainly I have not enjoyed any HFR theatrical presentation; I walked out of the first Hobbit movie five minutes in as I want my movies in 24P, not super-SOE vision.
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I've never seen a stuttery pan on any OLED unless someone foolishly left any of the motion enhancement options enabled.
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Judder-free 24p : Yes
Judder-free 24p via 60p : No
Judder-free 24p via 60i : No
To play 24p source material without judder, you need to activate 'RealCinema' option under 'Setting'→'Picture options'. Although inconsistent, for 60p and 60i sources set 'Trumotion' to user and set 'De-Judder' and 'De-Blur' to 0 to remove judder. It wasn't consistent enough for us to consider a pass though.

Guess they missed the simple fix to simply turn off all motion enhancement options?
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I get why folks would want a TV, but as these larger screens hit a certain point, I am of a mind to do what I did and get a 4K projector and screen.

Sure, the image quality is not the same, but it's diminishing returns to this AV guy, when I can have a stunning 120 inch picture for $8k less...

Again, not apples to apples in any way, but with choices to make (fortunate, lucky choices) about how to spend my money on gear, even at this higher end price point I like value for my $$. The value prop of such a TV is missing for me vs a pj and a screen...

Just my opinion. Not right or wrong.

When sets of this quality are $5k, I'm sure I would want one for my living room...
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RTings.com says of the LG B6

Judder-free 24p : Yes
Judder-free 24p via 60p : No
Judder-free 24p via 60i : No
To play 24p source material without judder, you need to activate 'RealCinema' option under 'Setting'→'Picture options'. Although inconsistent, for 60p and 60i sources set 'Trumotion' to user and set 'De-Judder' and 'De-Blur' to 0 to remove judder. It wasn't consistent enough for us to consider a pass though.

Guess they missed the simple fix to simply turn off all motion enhancement options?
I don't care what a reviewer had to say; for all I know they see "motion judder" when watching a movie projected from 24fps film and don't realize what film is supposed to look like.

I know what I see every day on my 65EF9500 and I have not seen anything I consider stutter or judder since I turned everything off.
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I get why folks would want a TV, but as these larger screens hit a certain point, I am of a mind to do what I did and get a 4K projector and screen.

Sure, the image quality is not the same, but it's diminishing returns to this AV guy, when I can have a stunning 120 inch picture for $8k less...
There are a lot of hassles to projectors, from needing a dim room to having to build a room or run electrical in the ceiling to having to change bulbs regularly if you're the type of person to have their TV on say six to eight hours a night seven days per week.

I figure, conservatively, to retrofit a standard family room for a good 4K image with a projector you're looking at $10K for a high end projector, $5K for the screen, $10K for electrical and drywall work, and so on, then you get to deal with projector weirdness as well like SXRD loss of contrast or JVC bright corners (not that OLED doesn't have its own issues.)

If all you want is an 80" or so image and hate LCD, the OLED set is arguably the cheapest route to take.
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I think most would get the 100" Sony ZD9 for $50k instead of this. I would, if cost were no object. I think OLED looks the best but 100" more than makes up for it.
and i think the less educated on picture quality the less likely a 'small' oled would even get considered.

i'd argue that the market for these would be primarily pro athletes and performers, and they would use cost and size to judge the status of their display, not quality

you watch any episode of cribs, and the only thing they know is the size and resolution

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There are a lot of hassles to projectors, from needing a dim room to having to build a room or run electrical in the ceiling to having to change bulbs regularly if you're the type of person to have their TV on say six to eight hours a night seven days per week.

I figure, conservatively, to retrofit a standard family room for a good 4K image with a projector you're looking at $10K for a high end projector, $5K for the screen, $10K for electrical and drywall work, and so on, then you get to deal with projector weirdness as well like SXRD loss of contrast or JVC bright corners (not that OLED doesn't have its own issues.)

If all you want is an 80" or so image and hate LCD, the OLED set is arguably the cheapest route to take.
food for thought, but i imagine knocking out a wall so that i could get a 100" flat screen into my living room would be a major expense as well.

i think its fair to say both options need to be considered, as both have some significant challenges in the 'wrong' room and advantages in the 'right' room.

personally, i think i'd be more likely to consider a laser/led projector and good ambient light rejecting screen than a large lcd as im very sensitive to clouding/flashlighting issues. oled is something else or sure, but right now the size is the limiting factor, but i would not say its the cheapest. room construction is very diy capable, so that's an expense that varies person to person. i imagine most electricians can install a power outlet and run an hdmi cable for under a grand. if you don't mind seeing a bit of cable you can probably diy for under $50. a 10k major remodel is more likely to address rare conditions, or elaborate designs. though i suppose its fair to say most ppl looking at 20k displays probably don't live in track homes...

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Mr.SoftDome: Drool!! Loose the overpriced soundbar that I hope nobody would use on such an awesome display and that may bring it down to $16K. I bet if they did get rid of the soundbar and add another year under the belt this could be down to $12K or who know less. It's a start but getting rid of the nice looking but useless soundbar is a quick way to cut some money off this display..

KidHorn: The old 77" model didn't sell, so why would this one? If someone doesn't mind spending $20K, they wouldn't have minded spending $25k last year.

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