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post #271 of 290 Old 04-22-2019, 08:17 AM
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If I paid multi-thousands of dollars for a display only to have my normal usage destroy it, I would be beyond p.o.'d. I'll deal with a little off angle degradation for not having to ever worry about it.
I have an OLED and I don't worry about it. But then I don't watch CNN all day (for aa number of reasons), and I don't have my OLED Light at 80. And to some extent "normal usage" is an individual thing. It is not "normal usage" for an OLED to watch news channels all day with news tickers on the screen, as the OLED manufacturers tell you not to do that. If you want to watch news all day or things with omnipresent banners or bright logos, then definitely get an LCD.

I actually have an LCD for another room that I got for more varied use. The picture isn't as good, and the viewing angles suck, but it is a set that is appropriate for that environment and what it is used for. And I'm happy with its performance for what I paid. But when I want the best picture for movies and TV watching and sports with good black levels, I prefer the OLED.

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I was never on geek-squad. I worked in the warehouse section and helped out in electronics occasionally.


But yeah, these were earlier plasma sets.....I worked there around 2002 or 2003. And back then the LCDs had horrible viewing angles...so bad that you could barely even see the picture, let alone get some loss of color. LCD viewing angles these days are absolutely fantastic by comparison. The small amount of washout you get off angle is minute. However, the burn-in issue....that's just something I can't shake since the old days. If I paid multi-thousands of dollars for a display only to have my normal usage destroy it, I would be beyond p.o.'d. I'll deal with a little off angle degradation for not having to ever worry about it.


If you paid multi-thousands for a display, under normal usage, it won’t be destroyed. I don’t think Best Buy store settings are typical or normal for home usage are they? I’m not aware of any reputable pro calibrator advocating for scorch mode or “vivid” picture settings to get the most accurate picture.

I think it may be more fair to say that in typical living conditions, indoor, OLED is fine. But if you’re watching tv outside or under several fluorescent lights that require you to crank up the setting so high that image burn-in may very well occur, go with LCD. Or, if you game or use a computer primarily as your source material, use common sense with respect to burn in and be mindful of it. Otherwise, this really isn’t an issue.


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If I paid multi-thousands of dollars for a display only to have my normal usage destroy it, I would be beyond p.o.'d.
I wouldn't buy a Bentley if my normal driving was track days anymore than I'd buy a GT2 if my normal driving was stop-and-go commuting. My normal TV viewing, over 5000 hours on a C7, is a dozen movies a month, 50% HDR gaming with static HUDs, all done with settings that produce the most accurate picture, and there's no burn in or image retention. My eyesight is good, I don't watch CNN, and I never place any TV in the path of direct sunlight (so OLED light is never over 40). I also never had burn-in in 12 years of plasma TV usage, and temporary image retention is much less on this OLED that either of the plasmas I owned.
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I've owned an 55" A1E for 18 months now, an open box unit at that, with zero screen problems. So my answer is burn in is not a big problem for me. Owning this television in my opinion is definitely worth the risk.
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However, the burn-in issue....that's just something I can't shake since the old days. If I paid multi-thousands of dollars for a display only to have my normal usage destroy it, I would be beyond p.o.'d. I'll deal with a little off angle degradation for not having to ever worry about it.

I'm up to 2500 hours of normal usage on mine... and I don't have any BI. I also don't use my panel to watch CNN. It was calibrated to view the movie library in my sig as well as some occasional non-news channel cable broadcasts.



Pretty much agree with all the above posters on this page... Not much else to see here. OLED is most definitely worth it. For the CNN junkies reading this... don't take this BMW sedan off roading... just buy a cheap LCD.


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I'm up to 2500 hours of normal usage on mine... and I don't have any BI. I also don't use my panel to watch CNN. It was calibrated to view the movie library in my sig as well as some occasional non-news channel cable broadcasts.



Pretty much agree with all the above posters on this page... Not much else to see here. OLED is most definitely worth it. For the CNN junkies reading this... don't take this BMW sedan off roading... just buy a cheap LCD.


Thats what I have been doing. Buying cheap LCDs.

I watch all manner of content. Movies, games, streaming and even occasionally some news. I am most worried about the games.

But my LCDs have served me well in that regard. I am quite satisfied with my latest purchase after I got it dialed in.

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My calibrated OLED is very bright and has had no issues with burn-in at 6000 hours.

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I can only attest to my own experience. Close to 2000+ hours of HDR gaming is a good torture test for an OLED. I truly believe that a ISF calibrator has a lot of other benefits besides color accuracy. A lot of varied content also helps. If I watched news channels for half of the day, that would be the one thing that would make me reconsider an OLED.



They have NEWS on TV ? My next tube will be OLED. We only watch moves or stream HD content.

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I’d say half of what is watched are the cable news channels. Still, no burn in.


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Lot's of references here to "Buy a cheap LCD" if you want to use a TV normally. One could also buy a flagship LCD/LED comparable to your O/LED and probably be more than satisfied. I am because the picture quality is on par and at times superior without the fear of the Big Burn-In Problem.
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Lot's of references here to "Buy a cheap LCD" if you want to use a TV normally. One could also buy a flagship LCD/LED comparable to your O/LED and probably be more than satisfied. I am because the picture quality is on par and at times superior without the fear of the Big Burn-In Problem.
I don't think people are saying to buy a cheap LCD if you want to use a TV "normally." I think one can use an OLED for "normal" viewing without serious risk of burn-in -- although admittedly what is "normal" for one person might be a bit abnormal for another. Rather, I think people are saying if you want to watch news channels all day, or you constantly watch channels with scrolling at the bottom of the screen (or material with bright static logos) than you should consider a cheap LCD. You don't need a high quality TV to get what you need from CNN ( assuming you need any of that stuff - LOL).

I agree that many of the top-of-the-line LCD's provide an excellent picture. Still, I disagree that the picture quality is on par and at times superior to OLED. IMHO, and in the opinion of most A/V experts, OLED provides the best picture -- but there are tradeoffs for that. This is just like most things in life. Nothing is perfect and you have to decide what is most important to you.
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Lot's of references here to "Buy a cheap LCD" if you want to use a TV normally. One could also buy a flagship LCD/LED comparable to your O/LED and probably be more than satisfied. I am because the picture quality is on par and at times superior without the fear of the Big Burn-In Problem.
It's more like buy a cheap LCD if you just want to watch cable news, which is very good advice from a cost/quality standpoint. "Normal" went away when TV's went from analog to digital.

For those that continue with the OLED vs LCD banter, the HDMI spec tells all with it's 2 options for Premium certification: 4K TVs must have either a 1000-nit peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level (to cater for the high brightness of LCD TVs), or a 540-nit peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level. "Normal" people have never read this and simply don't know what they're buying or how to use it to it's best potential. But given that OLEDs have 2 orders of magnitude higher contrast ratio they literally are the best quality one can purchase.
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It's more like buy a cheap LCD if you just want to watch cable news, which is very good advice from a cost/quality standpoint. "Normal" went away when TV's went from analog to digital.

For those that continue with the OLED vs LCD banter, the HDMI spec tells all with it's 2 options for Premium certification: 4K TVs must have either a 1000-nit peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level (to cater for the high brightness of LCD TVs), or a 540-nit peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level. "Normal" people have never read this and simply don't know what they're buying or how to use it to it's best potential. But given that OLEDs have 2 orders of magnitude higher contrast ratio they literally are the best quality one can purchase.
Depends what kind of viewing environment you're watching in. OLEDs are still pretty well a dark room TV.

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Depends what kind of viewing environment you're watching in. OLEDs are still pretty well a dark room TV.
I think that I and other OLED owners would probably take issue with this assertion. I don't have any problem watching my OLED in a fairly bright room with about five windows -- a room that is adjacent to a kitchen with about seven windows. The picture is plenty bright. I do close the blinds in the TV room, but they still let a fair amount of light through and it is still bright enough to read and perform other tasks. In other words, it is not dark. And many folks on the OLED threads have also confirmed that OLED's are just fine in daytime or in a room that is reasonably bright.

There is no doubt that LCD's can reach a higher level of absolute brightness. But I have my OLED Light setting at 25 out of 100, and I have no issues. And with HDR, my wife often asks me to turn the brightness down.
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Depends what kind of viewing environment you're watching in. OLEDs are still pretty well a dark room TV.
My TV is in a west facing room with 7 windows, blinds at 50%, I use 35 for SDR/gaming (in the afternoon too), and 45-50 for HDR/DV.
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I only use my media room tv to game so for me OLED is out so I went Q9FN. However, If I was just using it for content watching then I most def would of went OLED.
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I only use my media room tv to game so for me OLED is out so I went Q9FN. However, If I was just using it for content watching then I most def would of went OLED.
I play games an obscene amount. After living with LCOS, LCDs and OLED, I'm never going back to anything that doesn't have the black levels that OLED has.
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This unit at Best Buy has me like OLED -> no thanks.

(screen is supposed to be a single color)

I do have a plasma with Roku in the bedroom and LED set for PS4 and WiiU downstairs. My main system uses SXRD front Projector. I do like organic food but I'll skip Organic LED.
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I have a Samsung Plasma from 2002.... use it everyday.... no burn in. Having said that I would not buy an OLED at these prices until burn in is a thing of the past.
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4850 hrs 80/20 movies/tv, no issues here on ours. Think this is extreme use case.
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Not a big problem but the risk is there when you decide to buy a OLED Tv. Everyone's viewing habits are different. I prefer not to allow that possibility and stay away. Wearing or as i like to think dying a little bit each time you watch it is a turn off as well for me. Then again nothing last forever. to each their own.
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