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My OLED is so bright that I literally wince some times when it switches from a dark to bright scene.
Same here. Sometimes when that happens, my wife says, "is it too bright?" I usually have to turn down OLED Light on HDR material for her. Or sometimes she'll wear her computer glasses.
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Purchased an LG OLED C8 about three months ago. And yes this issue concerned me and still does. I use my tv for gaming computing as well. I do watch ticker news sources and limit them to a half hour which in my opinion is more than enough. Regular news channels are different. On normal TV I have my OLED at 80, Contrast at 85, Brightness at 50. This is actually the recommended setting for normal uses at LG's website. I leave pixel shift and Logo Luminance to on but have picture dimming turned off. The only settings I have different are for computing which is turned much lower. I have an open concept house so a dark room is not an option in daytime use. This TV is more than bright enough. My last tv was an Samsung DLP HLP 5685 and although I loved it till its last breath and this TV knocks it on its ass. I took the leap of faith hoping that with normal varied use no burn in would occur. I guess my short duration of ownership doesn't allow me to contribute much but I do have some suggestions. Leave pixel shift and Logo Luminance to on, set your screen savers to come on early and be sensible with your watching habits. When these sets are new they are extremely torched out. So much so that nothing looks natural and colors seem washed out and unsatisfactory. Be careful of viewing habits during the first 200 hours of usage. As this new electronics brightness settles down you will be left with a stunning picture. I may be wrong but I don't think you have to sacrifice brightness-OLED-Contrast etc. as long as your not stupid with your settings. If I experience burn in I will report back but until then this picture technology is just plain bliss.
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I have a 55" B7 and got burn-in from PS4. This occurred after approximately 6mo after I bought it new. In general I am really careful, and I still don't know how exactly it happened. I think I fell asleep one night with my PS4 on the system menu or something. It took a while to notice but I can see a box on the screen during scenes with bright colors like orange or red. It's so annoying and I'm pissed now that I discovered it. Especially since Rtings did their burn-in test with static images 20hrs a day for a year with negligible burn-in. But of course mine occurs after one night!

I'm now on the hunt for an LCD so I won't be stressed about burn-in. I just want to enjoy my TV and not have to moderate my viewing habits. I'm considering a Samsung Q90R or Vizio PQX but I really can't decide.
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Need I ask if you've tried the pixel refresher and if so did it help at all?
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Need I ask if you've tried the pixel refresher and if so did it help at all?
Yeah, unfortunately it didn't help at all.
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I helped my brother choose a new TV a couple years back, and we settled on the latest OLED. After 2 years, haven’t had any burn-in issues, but I should point out that he uses it exclusively for watching movies (both BR disc and streaming).
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I'm happy to report that even though my set is about 4 months out of the 1 year warranty, LG is sending a technician to replace the panel on my TV, free of charge!
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Red subpixel in 2019 OLED is larger than 2018 OLED and this will give more brightness and a closer color temp to 6500K.
Will be interesting to see if this will increase burn in rates in 2019 models.
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Red subpixel in 2019 OLED is larger than 2018 OLED and this will give more brightness and a closer color temp to 6500K.
Will be interesting to see if this will increase burn in rates in 2019 models.
For 2018 the following area increases were made:
Green : + 25%
Red : + 60%
Blue : about +10%
White : +17%

Little change to the 2019 pixel's area, the sub pixel to pixel ratio is up 5% to 9% however. The larger pixels are to increase luminance (vs brightness).
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I'm happy to report that even though my set is about 4 months out of the 1 year warranty, LG is sending a technician to replace the panel on my TV, free of charge!
That is good optimization. Usually they tune all the settings so that problems occur just after the warranty period but not soon enough to qualify for the grace period.

Either way,... At least you know what to expect next year. You may be in the prime time slot to save up for a non OLED 8k model when it happens again.
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I'm using my OLEd for movie watching exclusively. So i don't care about burn-in. OLED is the best choice right now in price/quality. If better technology will appear on horizon I'll be glad to change my set
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I'm using my OLEd for movie watching exclusively. So i don't care about burn-in. OLED is the best choice right now in price/quality. If better technology will appear on horizon I'll be glad to change my set
Hope you are aware that black bar will cause uneven wear. From what i understand first signs of uneven wear were visible after 4,000/4,500 hours on 2016 OLEDs.
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Hope you are aware that black bar will cause uneven wear. From what i understand first signs of uneven wear were visible after 4,000/4,500 hours on 2016 OLEDs.
2018 panels are more resistant to burn-in. Just varying content a bit and there'll be no problem.
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2018 panels are more resistant to burn-in. Just varying content a bit and there'll be no problem.
That is not how that works. There is nothing you can do about uneven wear. Except for the opposite, so content were black bars are and black bars were content is for as long as black bar movie runtime. Since there is no way to do that there is nothing you can do about uneven wear caused by black bars.

Like you said since panels resistance is improved year upon year it will take much longer for uneven wear to have an visible impact on 2017/2018/2019 panels.
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Like you said since panels resistance is improved year upon year it will take much longer for uneven wear to have an visible impact on 2017/2018/2019 panels.
Well i have said the same in other words . Who cares if TV serves necessary time limit
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I thought the rtings testing showed no issues from black bars? I thought that's what I saw in one of their videos reporting on the testing?
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Well i have said the same in other words . Who cares if TV serves necessary time limit
That is how i feel to but lots of folks want a TV to propper work for 10 years at least.
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I thought the rtings testing showed no issues from black bars? I thought that's what I saw in one of their videos reporting on the testing?
I did not notice it myself but fafrd, who is a highly respected member, stated that there were signs of uneven wear in Rtings full field colors posts after 12,000 hours (which partly is black bar content). Folks like Katzmaier stated that uneven wear is also a OLED tech problem.
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That is good optimization. Usually they tune all the settings so that problems occur just after the warranty period but not soon enough to qualify for the grace period.

Either way,... At least you know what to expect next year.
That's pretty cynical.
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That's pretty cynical.
You're joking? Right?
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You're joking? Right?
No. That just sounds so stupid. They would just be making themselves look bad and losing customers in the process.
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That's pretty cynical.
Sorry. I could have posted more productively.

I assume that user isn’t planning on changing viewing habits so what I meant to say is an upside is he/she knows how long to expect the replacement screen to last.

I was being a little extra snarky. So sorry
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I'm using my OLEd for movie watching exclusively. So i don't care about burn-in. OLED is the best choice right now in price/quality. If better technology will appear on horizon I'll be glad to change my set
Your Oled will likely last longer than you want it to with that habit...lol. I agree, if a movie watching machine is what folks want...Oled IS the absolute best choice, at least at the moment. That's really what they were made for, the best possible IQ for movies. Marketed to the masses...for all kinds of use...sadly not so much Folks who can buy 2 tv's. one for general use and one exclusively for movies...Oled is a must have
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No. That just sounds so stupid. They would just be making themselves look bad and losing customers in the process.
It doesn't make sense to you because you're not a billion dollar multinational company. Look at apple. Your iPhone breaks and they quote you a repair price higher than the phone even though the component costs $2. Do they lose a customer? No. They make another sale and their stock price goes up.
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When I was considering an OLED TV last fall I stopped in at the local Best Buy. They pointed me to the display of the 'new' Sony OLED tvs. Started watching the demo and immediately noticed a burned in image slightly above center of the screen. I walked away and purchased something else. I regret not checking the model before leaving but I don't regret buying a non-oled tv.
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Well my Christmas 2016 LG OLED 65 inch screen now shows really bad burn in at the bottom where the GMA banner runs across.
Very unhappy for a tv to only last just 2 1/2 years. It’s back to Samsung for me soon.
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Well my Christmas 2016 LG OLED 65 inch screen now shows really bad burn in at the bottom where the GMA banner runs across.
Very unhappy for a tv to only last just 2 1/2 years. It’s back to Samsung for me soon.
OLED Light setting?
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Hope you are aware that black bar will cause uneven wear. From what i understand first signs of uneven wear were visible after 4,000/4,500 hours on 2016 OLEDs.
Burn in as it will happen in time,is not the only issue with Oleds .Pixel degrading is a issue nobody talks about. Since this a organic technology ,hence the name oled the pixels degrade or wear out in time . The ABL is another so this is a better dark room tv then a bright room TV. If you try to bump the brightness up 10 out of 10 times you will end up with washed out color. A great looking TV no doubt but the risks involved Me personally wouldn't touch an oled.
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And what about the Samsung QLED, Q9FN to be exact?
LEDS don't burn in because its
not a organic technology. Oleds do and the panel is not covered with any warranty. LG warns of the risk of burn in on there website , however they don't put that warning on the boxes the tvs are in , in the stores...strange.
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