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OLED Light setting?
What's the settings got to do with it? When are you guys going to just admit you got burned with this technology, no pun intended. This is a organic technology, burn in will happen and you have no control over that happening no matter how you treat your TV.
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I don't care if tv will serves the term i need. Plasma tvs live for 8-10 years without problem. If my oled will endures for 5-7 years it's enough for me. Just enjoying best pq right now.
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What's the settings got to do with it? When are you guys going to just admit you got burned with this technology, no pun intended. This is a organic technology, burn in will happen and you have no control over that happening no matter how you treat your TV.
Never had a burn in issue with my 1080i CRT, my plasma, or on my 6000 hour OLED, and all were used 50% at least for gaming with static HUDS. High OLED light levels with static images (mostly just red or red based) are the common denominators for 2016 burnin issues. Improvements were made for 2017, big changes were made in 2018, a few changes were made in 2019. So far, the 2017s at 2 to 3 years old are nowhere near the issue level of the 2016s, but people are learning, and it's not an issue for the average user or most users.
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What's the settings got to do with it? When are you guys going to just admit you got burned with this technology, no pun intended. This is a organic technology, burn in will happen and you have no control over that happening no matter how you treat your TV.
Too much ignorance in the post to merit a response.
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High OLED light levels with static images (mostly just red or red based) are the common denominators for 2016 burnin issues.
Yes, OLED light levels make a difference and informed and intelligent adults are able discuss and exchange information on these and other settings in order to increase our knowledge of the technology. Thanks for your comments.
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Are OLED's organic versus inorganic?

This may be totally irrelevant but the first projector I purchased was a Proxima and it had organic LCD panels. After about two years they started to seriously degrade. Fortunately I had a three year warranty and got them replaced. Later the industry started touting inorganic LCD panels which are not supposed to degrade like the organic panels. I have yet to see any of the inorganic LCD panels in the projectors I have purchased degrade and I have had several running for over four years.

I seem to recall reading that OLED panels are based on an organic design and if so could they could be subject to the degrade issues I experienced with early LCD projectors. I love the concept of OLED but what I have been seeing posted here, it appears they are organic and seem to be having the same issues of the organic LCD panels.

Can anyone verify this?
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This may be totally irrelevant but the first projector I purchased was a Proxima and it had organic LCD panels. After about two years they started to seriously degrade. Fortunately I had a three year warranty and got them replaced. Later the industry started touting inorganic LCD panels which are not supposed to degrade like the organic panels. I have yet to see any of the inorganic LCD panels in the projectors I have purchased degrade and I have had several running for over four years.

I seem to recall reading that OLED panels are based on an organic design and if so could they could be subject to the degrade issues I experienced with early LCD projectors. I love the concept of OLED but what I have been seeing posted here, it appears they are organic and seem to be having the same issues of the organic LCD panels.

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Well, OLED means "Organic LED".

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What's the settings got to do with it? When are you guys going to just admit you got burned with this technology, no pun intended. This is a organic technology, burn in will happen and you have no control over that happening no matter how you treat your TV.

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Too much ignorance in the post to merit a response.

I'll second your comment. The fact he even asked that question tells me all I need to know... LOL

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Your Oled will likely last longer than you want it to with that habit...lol. I agree, if a movie watching machine is what folks want...Oled IS the absolute best choice, at least at the moment. That's really what they were made for, the best possible IQ for movies. Marketed to the masses...for all kinds of use...sadly not so much Folks who can buy 2 tv's. one for general use and one exclusively for movies...Oled is a must have
Hey look we agree!

See the movie library in my sig? That's why I bought my OLED.

BTW... 2+ years and 3000+ hours later... no burn in. Who'da thunk it?!?!? I even occasionally watch cable programming with logos!

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Just saw a test with the 2018 TV's. Burn in will depend on setting and what you watch. Even after have the tv on 8 hours a day (same station or video) most tv's had varying levels of burn in only visible on solid color screens. Nothing that would affect picture quality. I don't think anyone watches the same exact thing 8 hours a day.
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Sorry. I could have posted more productively.

I assume that user isn’t planning on changing viewing habits so what I meant to say is an upside is he/she knows how long to expect the replacement screen to last.

I was being a little extra snarky. So sorry
Are replacement panels a one-time replacement by LG? What about Sony?

Curious, doesn't LG state "burn-in" is not covered by their warranty?

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Are replacement panels a one-time replacement by LG? What about Sony?

Curious, doesn't LG state "burn-in" is not covered by their warranty?
I wasn't saying they would replace it again ... just saying with his current settings it should need replacement at the same amount of usage time.

OLED is great (for about 2 years depending on if you use it.)

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Are replacement panels a one-time replacement by LG? What about Sony?

Curious, doesn't LG state "burn-in" is not covered by their warranty?
If you go through specific model threads you will see LG will replace BI panels with some discretion. A new panel comes with its own warranty too.
The oldest models have the most issues as every model gets 'better' panels regarding burn-in resistance. The 7's and 8's were big jumps forward but it is a little early to see the extent of any issues on the 8's and 9's. The people who use quality 'picture quality' settings vs 'vivid' and 'pop' settings seem to have no issues with BI. Not everyone will admit publicly what they did or what was on screen when they fell asleep with the TV on. My TV, Xbox, and BluRay player all have screen saver or dimmer settings which kick on in 2 or 3 minutes, some people have those disabled.
A stock trader, for example, who runs the same ticker for 14 hours a day with high OLED light setting may develop a problem. The stay-at-home person that likes to have CNN on all day while they go about their business can get burn in at the logo location (CNN's red logo is famous for being an issue in extreme use cases). Some of us have over 5000 hours on 7's with over half being the same 2 video games with static HUDs and have no sign of burn in.
If want quality buy an OLED, if you want the 'pop' that many people drooled over when HD first came out get an LCD. If your viewing environment requires extreme settings (sun all day long) get an LCD.
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Just saw a test with the 2018 TV's. Burn in will depend on setting and what you watch. Even after have the tv on 8 hours a day (same station or video) most tv's had varying levels of burn in only visible on solid color screens. Nothing that would affect picture quality. I don't think anyone watches the same exact thing 8 hours a day.
Any type of burn in would bother me. I try to buy displays that don't have image retention problems.
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You have to think about usage scenario. I don't care about TV channels for example. I use OLED panel for movie watching exclusively. I can't see anything in price/quality comparable to OLED right now. I'm just enjoing PQ. I have gone through different LCD TVs and i'm satisfied with OLED now.
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Have LG 77" Oled C8.

I did a big no-no 2 nights ago. I fell asleep watching a blu-ray on my 4K blu-ray player. After the movie is over for 15 minutes the player shuts down and I got my AVR screen saver (if you can call it that). Since it's a Yamaha it shows a static pic of a piano and it doesn't move. Just a piano with it's lid open. The AVR shows this when there is no signal present.
The static pic of the piano was on my LG oled C8 for 6 hours. No burn in or IR. Now maybe it takes longer than that or I just got lucky IDK but grateful for no ill effects.
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Just saw a test with the 2018 TV's. Burn in will depend on setting and what you watch. Even after have the tv on 8 hours a day (same station or video) most tv's had varying levels of burn in only visible on solid color screens. Nothing that would affect picture quality. I don't think anyone watches the same exact thing 8 hours a day.
As I said, there are times my TV is on over ten hours per day, all with that Hallmark Channel logo in the corner.

No BI after several months of that.

Granted, it's a white logo, not a particular color, and isn't high intensity.
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As I said, there are times my TV is on over ten hours per day, all with that Hallmark Channel logo in the corner.
No BI after several months of that.
Granted, it's a white logo, not a particular color, and isn't high intensity.
I wouldn't be doing that with any TV, but each to his own viewing habits. As long as LG is replacing OLED panels free of charge, I guess you have nothing to worry about.

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You have to think about usage scenario. I don't care about TV channels for example. I use OLED panel for movie watching exclusively. I can't see anything in price/quality comparable to OLED right now. I'm just enjoing PQ. I have gone through different LCD TVs and i'm satisfied with OLED now.
That's what I'd be doing, if I had a dedicated theater in my home. I don't, so I'll be OLED-free.

Obviously, LG doesn't care for that small market share of theater owners, so they've chosen to support the less careful mixed-usage customers with panel replacements. How many replacements they'll do for one customer remains unclear.

How will this all end? We'll just hafta wait and see. As I alluded, it's only a curiosity mode for me.

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I wouldn't be doing that with any TV, but each to his own viewing habits. As long as LG is replacing OLED panels free of charge, I guess you have nothing to worry about.
I bought a TV to watch what I want to watch; if I end up with a logo (or letterbox bars) burned into my screen, I'll purchase another OLED to replace it.

It is still preferable to living with LCD"s blooming or grey blacks.
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It is still preferable to living with LCD"s blooming or grey blacks.
No way. There's no sense in such TV for movie watching.
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No way. There's no sense in such TV for movie watching.
There is if you enjoy seeing bright, non clipped, HDR highlights.

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You have to think about usage scenario. I don't care about TV channels for example. I use OLED panel for movie watching exclusively. I can't see anything in price/quality comparable to OLED right now. I'm just enjoing PQ. I have gone through different LCD TVs and i'm satisfied with OLED now.
Yep. That's why I have an older LG LCD for the downstairs HTS. It is our primary tv for watching tv (local HDTV stations only), streaming via ATV4, and the occasional BD movie. Upstairs is where we have the OLED HTS and it is primarily used for "serious" streaming via the ATV4k and UHD/BD movies. We do watch network shows up there every now and then but we don't worry about BI/IR. If I have a need to watch CNN or whatever I'll go downstairs. Generally speaking, I would not recommend an OLED as your only, primary tv. That being said, nothing can compare to the OLED when it comes to pq .

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There is if you enjoy seeing bright, non clipped, HDR highlights.

That is only true if your TV isn't a Samsung though...
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There is if you enjoy seeing bright, non clipped, HDR highlights.
Brightness without light leakage control is nothing for me . Perfect blacks give real depth to picture.
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There is if you enjoy seeing bright, non clipped, HDR highlights.
If you look at the core specs there are two versions, 2 minimum requirements, one for LCD, one for OLED. LCD has one order of magnitude more on the white end and OLED has 2 orders of magnitude more at the black end. The viewing experience is about personal preference and room conditions.
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The viewing experience is about personal preference and room conditions.
I agree 100%.


I actually do prefer my OLED for the majority of my viewing. The only area in which I prefer LCD is with 4K HDR content and 1080p BR movies. HDR performance is top priority for me though. I crave a certain level of pop and depth that I simply can’t get from the current crop of OLED tv’s. My OLED often looks dull, dim and lifeless in HDR, especially when you compare it with my Q90r. Plus, 77” is not big enough to give me that immersive movie watching experience that I’m looking for.

To each his own. Sorry about the off topic post.
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Love the OLED, but black bars can cause BI? SMH!

The fact that even the 16:9 black bars can “burn in” on an OLED is deeply concerning to me. I just purchased the 65” C8. I’m still within my time frame to return it. I was truly surprised when I read the manual that said BI can occur with the movie’s black bars. Since like 90% of movies have them, then to myself that strongly suggests that the general ‘word on the street’ that OLED’s are the best for movies exclusively, is in fact false. I’m retired and I want to enjoy my OLED several hours a day as a dedicated movie display. But now, I’m truly considering returning it.
As far as HDR goes, that is a two-way street. HDR is by definition the ratio between the brightest whites and deepest blacks. And there ARE LCD’s that can get extremely close to OLED blacks while being substantially brighter as well. Without the same degree of risk re: BI. Yes, LCD panels at least older ones, can have and do suffer from BI, but only in the most extreme conditions.

I love the deep blacks of the C8, go figure! And it is plenty bright enough in my darkened theatre room. It’s image is stunning, no doubt! But to be honest, I had the 2019 Sony X950G in my home for a week and I was almost equally blown away by its stunning image quality! In the store where I purchased it, they had a demo of ‘X Men: Apocalypse’ and the colour, detail, clarity and brightness of the X950G made the C8 look totally dull by comparison, even on its ‘Vivid’ mode. . I even said to one of the salesmen, ‘Tell me the Sony’s black bars are really not that black’. He said, ‘They are true black’. It has, as almost ALL reviewers attest, arguably the most accurate colours ‘out of the box’ for any display, arguably the best motion and upscaling of 720p/1080p of any TV, thanks to the ‘X1 Ultimate’ chip; add to that stunningly vivid ‘Triluminos’ (aka quantum dot) colours, and with some adjustments to brightness, contrast, black level etc, still retaining very satisfying blacks. And NO BI concerns! Most reviews or comments I’ve read about the X950G (I’d be willing to bet), did very casual, limited ‘test patterns’ and viewing. I spent many hours with it, tweaking it. And in all honestly, the sheer amount of visible detail, the vibrancy of colours, the exceptional sharpness (Caleb at Digital Trends said it was probably the sharpest looking image he has EVER seen), makes it a serious contender. I’m sure some OLED owners who have NOT spent time in home with the X950G as I have will have their opinion. But that opinion will not be based on their own real-world comparison, as mine is. In all likelihood, I will be returning the C8 and re-purchasing the X950G. It’s an amazing tv! At the store where it was displayed, it looked ‘very good’. I researched it to the max and purchased. My settings when I got it home? And it blew me away in the best sense of the metaphor!

The sheer fact that in NOT ONE of the reviews I’ve read on-line or seen on YouTube or anywhere, did even 1 person state that the black bars on movies CAN cause BI , makes me wonder whether ‘Quantum APOTHEOSIS’ on YouTube is correct about the ‘conspiracy’ of OLED in paying off reviews. Just sayin. I mean, EVERYONE who argues for OLED’s being the best image possible, all to a person say ‘Just use it as a dedicated tv for MOVIES and you should never have an issue with BI’. Then I read LG’s own manual which says the black bars can cause BI? WHAAATTTT?!”
I love the OLED, and would prefer to keep it, but at the premium price of this TV, given how amazing the X950G’s image is, with NO concerns re: BI, I’ll most likely be switching back the OLED for the X950G.

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The fact that even the 16:9 black bars can “burn in” on an OLED is deeply concerning to me. I just purchased the 65” C8. I’m still within my time frame to return it. I was truly surprised when I read the manual that said BI can occur with the movie’s black bars. Since like 90% of movies have them, then to myself that strongly suggests that the general ‘word on the street’ that OLED’s are the best for movies exclusively, is in fact false. I’m retired and I want to enjoy my OLED several hours a day as a dedicated movie display. But now, I’m truly considering returning it.
As far as HDR goes, that is a two-way street. HDR is by definition the ratio between the brightest whites and deepest blacks. And there ARE LCD’s that can get extremely close to OLED blacks while being substantially brighter as well. Without the same degree of risk re: BI. Yes, LCD panels at least older ones, can have and do suffer from BI, but only in the most extreme conditions.

I love the deep blacks of the C8, go figure! And it is plenty bright enough in my darkened theatre room. It’s image is stunning, no doubt! But to be honest, I had the 2019 Sony X950G in my home for a week and I was almost equally blown away by its stunning image quality! In the store where I purchased it, they had a demo of ‘X Men: Apocalypse’ and the colour, detail, clarity and brightness of the X950G made the C8 look totally dull by comparison, even on its ‘Vivid’ mode. . I even said to one of the salesmen, ‘Tell me the Sony’s black bars are really not that black’. He said, ‘They are true black’. It has, as almost ALL reviewers attest, arguably the most accurate colours ‘out of the box’ for any display, arguably the best motion and upscaling of 720p/1080p of any TV, thanks to the ‘X1 Ultimate’ chip; add to that stunningly vivid ‘Triluminos’ (aka quantum dot) colours, and with some adjustments to brightness, contrast, black level etc, still retaining very satisfying blacks. And NO BI concerns! Most reviews or comments I’ve read about the X950G (I’d be willing to bet), did very casual, limited ‘test patterns’ and viewing. I spent many hours with it, tweaking it. And in all honestly, the sheer amount of visible detail, the vibrancy of colours, the exceptional sharpness (Caleb at Digital Trends said it was probably the sharpest looking image he has EVER seen), makes it a serious contender. I’m sure some OLED owners who have NOT spent time in home with the X950G as I have will have their opinion. But that opinion will not be based on their own real-world comparison, as mine is. In all likelihood, I will be returning the C8 and re-purchasing the X950G. It’s an amazing tv! At the store where it was displayed, it looked ‘very good’. I researched it to the max and purchased. My settings when I got it home? And it blew me away in the best sense of the metaphor!

The sheer fact that in NOT ONE of the reviews I’ve read on-line or seen on YouTube or anywhere, did even 1 person state that the black bars on movies CAN cause BI , makes me wonder whether ‘Quantum APOTHEOSIS’ on YouTube is correct about the ‘conspiracy’ of OLED in paying off reviews. Just sayin. I mean, EVERYONE who argues for OLED’s being the best image possible, all to a person say ‘Just use it as a dedicated tv for MOVIES and you should never have an issue with BI’. Then I read LG’s own manual which says the black bars can cause BI? WHAAATTTT?!”
I love the OLED, and would prefer to keep it, but at the premium price of this TV, given how amazing the X950G’s image is, with NO concerns re: BI, I’ll most likely be switching back the OLED for the X950G.
the new OLED don't have problems with black bars burn in, in fact if you read the customers reviews on amazon, none of them said they had black bar burn in, even on the past year older ones, usually people run into cable news or some type logos burn in, but never black bars....
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