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Yeah I use my oled like that every day , I get a feed from the airport lmao , you don’t consider that a real article? I got Samsung ads on my phone when I clicked the link .
What a marketing blunder, leaving damaged product in full view. No screen refreshes, firmware updates?

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LG Is winning the Premium market , hence Samsung is looking for QD Oled or regular OLED for next year
LG seems to be moving the wrong way, according to the aforementioned article. Did LG turn things around since then?

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But things get interesting if you're just looking at the premium sector. Last year for TVs that cost over $2,500, Samsung had a 34.3 percent market share, Sony had 33.3 percent, and LG 30.3 percent. But this year as of August, Samsung controlled 43.6 percent, while Sony had 32.9 percent and LG 22.9 percent. LG's market share is headed in the wrong direction.

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The article states, as if it is undeniable truth:

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Brightness comes into play in real-life viewing scenarios; people don't watch TV in the dark.
I certainly do - dimmed light at most, pure darkness for film.

Also notice in those totals given for Samsung, Sony and LG - how many of those Sony premium TVs were OLEDs that use LG's panels?
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Thankfully, no burn in here.
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Thanks everyone I tried everything noting works the green line still there , bit disappointed my wife on my back for spending +2k for a defective TV & waiting on a friend with a van to take it back .

***As long as you purchased your TV from a reputable source, you should be able to return & replace without any hassles.

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Though OLED panels come from LG, is there recent evidence that show a better success rate against burn-in for LG or Sony or Panasonic OLEDS?

Sony marketing: Sony's OLED reliability - Our OLED TVs are designed to prevent image burn-in. The 4K HDR Processor X1™ Extreme detects if there is a static image on screen and shifts the pixel to avoid burn-in or image retention.

Panasonic marketing:The whole OLED range will feature some hefty image processing thanks to the HCX Pro Intelligent Processor - the most powerful processing chip the company has made.

LG marketing:A Brilliant Brain - LG—the industry leaders of OLED TVs—made the Best TV Ever even better by developing the α9 Intelligent Processor. LG's most powerful processor ever provides true-to-life images with incredibly rich colors, sharpness and depth to deliver the ultimate picture quality.

In these OLED marketing examples, all talk about processors, but FWIW only Sony refers to burn-in.

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Is OLED Burn-In a Big Problem?

All oleds have pixel shift, lg has logo dimming as well . Sony’s approach is more in the brightness limiting area. Pixel shift is kind of a debunked urban myth all it really does is negatively impact image fidelity . It’s not a new concept been around since Plasma days .


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I've heard that this is a problem and that some higher end OLED use a technology that continually move pixels around the screen by a pixel or two to avoid this. They also have stricter "screensaver" features.
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"LG switches airport OLED to LCD amid burn-in row"

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The affected OLED TV, installed at Korean Air Miler Club Lounge at the Incheon International Airport's second terminal in January, showed burn-in marks after only three months. The TV, which was being used to show departure schedules, had a burnt-in thick white line between the heading and the graphical table when it switched images.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/lg-swi...d-burn-in-row/
"LG embarrasses with OLED burn-in at SID tradeshow"

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The OLED TV was a 65-inch 2017-model purchased by Nanosys only two to three weeks prior to the event at a third-party store. The TV was turned on for eight hours a day during the tradeshow and showed signs of burn-in at its top right corner immediately on May 22, the first day of the three-day tradeshow, according to multiple eye witnesses.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/lg-emb...-at-tradeshow/

Continued good luck to OLED TV manufacturers. Hopefully, I can consider them in my next TV purchase.

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Have had an ef9500 since 2015. It is on for hours, daily. No burn in. Though OLED’s get the love and admiration of the pro calibrator, perhaps they should hold back on its praises with a cautionary caveat? King of the home theater, but last place under fluorescent lights in an airport or trade show.


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"LG switches airport OLED to LCD amid burn-in row"



"LG embarrasses with OLED burn-in at SID tradeshow"




Continued good luck to OLED TV manufacturers. Hopefully, I can consider them in my next TV purchase.
You're quoting a year old article that has been discussed to death here already.

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"The OLED Screen Burn Debate - Everything You Need To Know"

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Personally I think OLED and LCD TVs have pros and cons that give each of them specific advantages in different environments and with different sorts of content. There is absolutely no doubt, though, that OLED TVs can and do deliver pictures so glorious that many serious AV fans may well consider the risks of screen burn - and the efforts required to avoid it - a relatively small price to pay.
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Pixel shift is kind of a debunked urban myth all it really does is negatively impact image fidelity .
So it should be turned off for OLED?
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So it should be turned off for OLED?


I don’t use it and it especially prominent on my 77” , ymmv.


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I do not think it is debunked, if so show me a link.

The entire video frame is moved periodically (vertically and/or horizontally) so there are effectively no static images.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_shifting
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Just my 2cents.

I have had my LG EG9600 for a few years and nothing even close to resembling any burn in.

We watch TV show, Netflix, Hulu, HBO through Apple TV 4K, very little gaming, Turn it off after watching, nothing that I know of that is static for long, which might be why there is none whatsoever in my set.

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I do not think it is debunked, if so show me a link.

The entire video frame is moved periodically (vertically and/or horizontally) so there are effectively no static images.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_shifting


At the very most it softens the edges of the ir , for me it does more to hurt the picture . I am not sure why shifting a static image one pixel every minute or so is going to prevent burnin. . I have never used it on any plasma or OLED and and have never had a burn in issue . If it makes some people feel more secure fine but it is a placebo at best.


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I always get a chuckle out of reading online comments from people who say things like "I didn't buy the OLED because I didn't want a burned in screen."


Like it's a 100% guarantee? I didn't get that memo. 7 years with my last plasma... no burn in. 13 months and 2300 hours into my OLED... no burn in.


By all means though... if you're that paranoid, buy a QLED LCD and enjoy the almost OLED quality blacks and viewing angles.
It comes from personal experience:

Working at Best Buy where every plasma had CNN or other logos burned into the corner where no LCD had the issue even though they play the same material for the same amount of time.

Going over to a friends house who had a new plasma tv. The kids played a couple of hours of Nintendo then us adults decide to watch a movie and lo and behold, the nintendo information (health meters, score etc) was emblazoned overtop of the movie we were trying to watch for almost the entire film before mostly fading.

I'll trust my own experiences, thanks.

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It comes from personal experience:

Working at Best Buy where every plasma had CNN or other logos burned into the corner where no LCD had the issue even though they play the same material for the same amount of time.

Going over to a friends house who had a new plasma tv. The kids played a couple of hours of Nintendo then us adults decide to watch a movie and lo and behold, the nintendo information (health meters, score etc) was emblazoned overtop of the movie we were trying to watch for almost the entire film before mostly fading.

I'll trust my own experiences, thanks.
The TV's at Best Buy are probably in Dynamic mode setting or some other ridiculous brightness.

I have a 65" B6 with close to 6000 hours on it now. I also have played an obscene amount of videogames on this set, including close to 1000 hours of Monster Hunter World (which I'm not proud of). I've played about 1000 hours of other games too. There isn't any sign of burn in and the color uniformity looks unchanged. I did have the set professionally calibrated.

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I had a rear projection CRT HDTV for 13 years (2000 - 2013) and I was careful to keep the contrast and brightness to 50% always and I never had a burn-in problem. This is in spite of the fact that burn in was a serious problem with the high intensity rear projection CRT HDTVs.


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At 50% you didn't have any burn-in. Woopty doo. You didn't have anything better than a mediocre picture either. Right on par with the cheapest of lousy TV's. So many of you relish in the fact that burn-in can be prevented if you simply reduce the picture quality to barely watchable and then cross your fingers. Why even bother to plug one in? You can still have pride in OLED ownership by leaving it in the box where it's safe.
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I seriously doubt if the Burn-In issue will be resolved. As a once potential OLED customer, it soothed me not to hear some did not experience Burn-In. Enough did, documented and otherwise.

People reporting Burn-In is on-going at LG Ask the Community, and usually mentioning whether they were authorized panel replacement or not. In most cases I saw, they were afforded panel replacement as a one-time courtesy.

Burn-In is not covered by LG Warranty, so it's commendable that LG is replacing a goodly number of panels. How many, we don't know. Regardless, trying times for expensive TV owners waiting the verdict.

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At 50% you didn't have any burn-in. Woopty doo. You didn't have anything better than a mediocre picture either. Right on par with the cheapest of lousy TV's. So many of you relish in the fact that burn-in can be prevented if you simply reduce the picture quality to barely watchable and then cross your fingers. Why even bother to plug one in?
My calibrated OLED is very bright and has had no issues with burn-in at 6000 hours.

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I seriously doubt if the Burn-In issue will be resolved. As a once potential OLED customer, it soothed me not to hear some did not experience Burn-In. Enough did, documented and otherwise.

People reporting Burn-In is on-going at LG Ask the Community, and usually mentioning whether they were authorized panel replacement or not. In most cases I saw, they were afforded panel replacement as a one-time courtesy.
I can only attest to my own experience. Close to 2000+ hours of HDR gaming is a good torture test for an OLED. I truly believe that a ISF calibrator has a lot of other benefits besides color accuracy. A lot of varied content also helps. If I watched news channels for half of the day, that would be the one thing that would make me reconsider an OLED.

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Nothing to aurge about. We have RTings tests now with verified data.
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Nothing to aurge about. We have RTings tests now with verified data.
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Is OLED Burn-In a Big Problem?

The bottom line is if you are skittish don’t buy an OLED , please continue to disregard the actual ownership experience of a lot of us. The usual agenda driven posters have commented here , I watch my tv normally and don’t use an OLED light of 25. I have owned 5 oleds and never had an IR or burn in problem must be the luckiest consumer on the face of the planet. Yes some use cases don’t lend themselves to using OLED but for my uses I have never had an issue. So go ahead and live in fear while the rest of us enjoy the best pq on the market today .


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It comes from personal experience:

Working at Best Buy where every plasma had CNN or other logos burned into the corner where no LCD had the issue even though they play the same material for the same amount of time.

Going over to a friends house who had a new plasma tv. The kids played a couple of hours of Nintendo then us adults decide to watch a movie and lo and behold, the nintendo information (health meters, score etc) was emblazoned overtop of the movie we were trying to watch for almost the entire film before mostly fading.

I'll trust my own experiences, thanks.

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I don't know what to say really... I've got 2500 hours on my OLED now and don't have burn in.


What am I doing wrong? Surely my display should be ruined by now.
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You have to ask better what people who got burn-in did wrong?
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