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First IMAX Enhanced Titles Now Available

Today marks the release of the first two IMAX Enhanced titles on Ultra HD Blu-ray disc. The debut consists of a pair of documentaries, "A Beautiful Planet" narrated by Jennifer Lawrence, and "Journey to the South Pacific" narrated by Cate Blanchett.


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Aren't these just how IMAX releases are in general?
Visually, the enhancements are "in the software" which is to say baked into the content. It's remastered. The short answer is, yes. This is an IMAX release, it works on non IMAX Enhanced gear. I have both discs here and have watched them, they look best on a properly tuned TV (sharpness off, no motion interpolation).

The company is simply saying you get the best experience with IMAX enhanced gear and the tuned settings. One thing I can tell you for sure, more info is coming soon, this is the very beginning.

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Are these native UHD or upscaled from HD?
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Are these native UHD or upscaled from HD?
Native UHD, for sure. All the releases are newly mastered.

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Visually, the enhancements are "in the software" which is to say baked into the content. It's remastered. The short answer is, yes. This is an IMAX release, it works on non IMAX Enhanced gear. .
I have read few articles about IMAX Enhanced and still it not very clear to me was is it about.

Yes they work on non IMAX Enhanced gear and looks they are best viewed on IMAX Enhanced gear (best quality video & sound). Also they are hdr10+ format.

As sound do they have standart 5.1 sound mix or 12-channel surround sound mix in dts-x format?
If they has 5.1 sound what is the advantage of dts-x?
If they has 12-channel surround sound mix, Can a dts-x capable avr with 11 channel processing capacity play the soudtrack as in orginal format?

If someone with IMAX Enhanced gear maybe compare video and sound versus non IMAX Enhanced gear and tell the differences.
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Ok I need to watch those on my Denon X6500w, and My BenQ 4k projector.
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As sound do they have standart 5.1 sound mix or 12-channel surround sound mix in dts-x format?
Yes, 5.0 or 6.0 or 12.0, depending on how it was mixed for IMAX theatrical release.
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Same as encoding a 5.1 soundtrack in Atmos: no advantage.
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Yes, because the 12th channel is the high centre channel at the very top of the IMAX screen. For home video release, the contents of the high centre channel will be encoded as an audio object that will be rendered as a phantom image between 3 speakers: left front height, right front height, centre. You don't need more than an 11.1 speaker set-up to play back 12-channel IMAX soundtracks.

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It's HDR, but not DV
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Thanks, because I didn't notice an HDR sticker on front. Just said UHD.

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Visually, the enhancements are "in the software" which is to say baked into the content. It's remastered. The short answer is, yes. This is an IMAX release, it works on non IMAX Enhanced gear. I have both discs here and have watched them, they look best on a properly tuned TV (sharpness off, no motion interpolation).

The company is simply saying you get the best experience with IMAX enhanced gear and the tuned settings. One thing I can tell you for sure, more info is coming soon, this is the very beginning.
Does the disc take control of settings...sort of like Dolby vision is suppose to do?

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"These two titles take advantage of 4K HD remastering and Audio technologies and DTS to raise the bar in terms of the audio and video quality that you can experience at home. This includes digital video remastering For optimized contrast, vibrant color, and greater clarity.According to the press release from DTS, audio for these titles utilizes a variant of the DTS:X codec that’s integrated into compatible IMAX Enhanced AV gear. The result is “immersive, powerful sound” that plays at its best in the carefully-tuned IMAX mode found on the Enhanced devices."


Is the above marketing speak, or truly objective reporting?


"Raise the bar".... versus where is the bar at in the statement for Audio? for Video?


"This includes digital video remastering For optimized contrast, vibrant color, and greater clarity"

Video remastering from what source?

Optimized contrast compared to what? Same for vibrant color.
Greater clarity? Meaning sharpening or ??

I've got the Denon 8500H with 15 speakers in a 7.2.6 layout and 9.2.4 layout.
Has someone compared for audio side listening to this in say DTS:X 7.1.4 vs DTS:X IMAX mode? Where they "wowed" ?


My PJ, the RS400, surely can't do the HDR right? Can any PJ on the market today do the HDR?
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Is the above marketing speak, or truly objective reporting?


"Raise the bar".... versus where is the bar at in the statement for Audio? for Video?

"This includes digital video remastering For optimized contrast, vibrant color, and greater clarity"

Video remastering from what source?

Optimized contrast compared to what? Same for vibrant color.
Greater clarity? Meaning sharpening or ??

I've got the Denon 8500H with 15 speakers in a 7.2.6 layout and 9.2.4 layout.
Has someone compared for audio side listening to this in say DTS:X 7.1.4 vs DTS:X IMAX mode? Where they "wowed" ?


My PJ, the RS400, surely can't do the HDR right? Can any PJ on the market today do the HDR?
Projectors "do" HDR in the sense of using the higher bit depth, the WCG, and also allowing for a higher peak brightness that a "calibrated" theater foring for the SDR DCI spec would have. So basically, yes, projectors "do" HDR, just not as it's mastered for TVs.

As for the rest, it's not a review it's a post about a press release so try and relax, sheesh. Or just don't read it again if you are somehow allergic to enthusiastic writing styles.

I'm not sure these are the titles I'd turn to to make judgments about 3D immersive sound. We need to wait for (what I believe to be) the inevitable release of Hollywood big-budget titles.
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are there comparisons of shots in both a chain that has all the imax enhanced 4K/HDR gear and one that is just regular 4K/HDR gear so we can see the actual differences such as they may be?
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are there comparisons of shots in both a chain that has all the imax enhanced 4K/HDR gear and one that is just regular 4K/HDR gear so we can see the actual differences such as they may be?
Discs just came out today, maybe a bit too early for that sort of thing? I would guess at some point we'll start to see comparison photos posted online and all the chatter that creates.

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Discs just came out today, maybe a bit too early for that sort of thing? I would guess at some point we'll start to see comparison photos posted online and all the chatter that creates.
cool, but, i would have thought the IMAX folks would have that released to show/entice people to upgrade to it in relation to what they might currently have.

but, since they didn't, like you said, it should be out soon from people with the setup. thanks for the response.

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Well.. for a documentary.. in space where sound doesn’t travel.. this is arguably the most immersive audio track I’ve heard from from my system. The narration is done by multiple people (crew of the space station) and by Jennifer Lawrence. The Lawrence narration almost always comes from the center speaker in front of while meanwhile the others speaking often sounds like it coming from above you.. very similar to the VOG in an Auro3D configuration.

The background music and environmental sounds are definitely elevated to create reference immersion audio with almost continuous sounds coming from one or multiple speakers.

I haven’t listened to the track in DTS:X yet but am impressed by the IMAXTS mastering so far.

As far as picture quality and HDR. Not sure if you all caught the Q and A with IMAX and D&M last week (link at bottom)they explained that there currently is no IMAX Enhanced mode for video (only audio) and that even on the IMAX Enhanced certified Sony A9F OLED they recommend you set it to Cinema Dark mode as that is what was used by IMAX when mastering .. There currently are no plans to have an IMAX Enhanced HDR video mode but that could change in the future. Also all UHD players currently support it for that same reason.. those players with HDR10+ have the extra benefit of that feature but otherwise HDR10 is what is used. On my C6 OLED picture looks great.. seems to be about as bright as it can be but for me the real winner is the audio. I’m using the Marantz AV8805.

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My apologies if this comes across as ignorant. I love the fact that technology continues to progress and move forward but at what point do these technologies become moot. I know the ultimate goal is to have the theater experience at home, at least that's what im striving for, but when will we get to a point where someone develops something that can make modest speakers sound like a million bucks. You know, make it a little easier for the everyman to take the first steps into home theater. I'm just wondering how much more immersive can we get. I have a 7.2.4 setup and can't see how I could benefit from anything greater. Would love to hear from someone a little more versed on the subject.
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Projectors "do" HDR in the sense of using the higher bit depth, the WCG, and also allowing for a higher peak brightness that a "calibrated" theater foring for the SDR DCI spec would have. So basically, yes, projectors "do" HDR, just not as it's mastered for TVs.

As for the rest, it's not a review it's a post about a press release so try and relax, sheesh. Or just don't read it again if you are somehow allergic to enthusiastic writing styles.

I'm not sure these are the titles I'd turn to to make judgments about 3D immersive sound. We need to wait for (what I believe to be) the inevitable release of Hollywood big-budget titles.

It seems a lot of people are somehow allergic to enthusiastic writing styles. LOL

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My apologies if this comes across as ignorant. I love the fact that technology continues to progress and move forward but at what point do these technologies become moot. I know the ultimate goal is to have the theater experience at home, at least that's what im striving for, but when will we get to a point where someone develops something that can make modest speakers sound like a million bucks. You know, make it a little easier for the everyman to take the first steps into home theater. I'm just wondering how much more immersive can we get. I have a 7.2.4 setup and can't see how I could benefit from anything greater. Would love to hear from someone a little more versed on the subject.
I like your comment because it describes what is actually happening. You can get great speakers without breaking the bank (even if the 2-channel high-end crowd will not admit it) and amplification to drive e'm right is affordable and transparent, too (and much lighter!).

Add a good subwoofer and room correction and suddenly modest speakers do, in fact, "sound like a million bucks"

One of the ideas behind IMAX Enhanced is to make having a top-performing system easier to put together and operate. That's only going to have limited appeal to the AVS Forum enthusiast who already knows the ins and outs of a flagship AVR, but for less technical consumers "packaging" and automating best practices/settings, and making it practically "foolproof" i.e. triggering a dedicated mode with the settings already baked in, is doing them quite a big favor.
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My apologies if this comes across as ignorant. I love the fact that technology continues to progress and move forward but at what point do these technologies become moot. I know the ultimate goal is to have the theater experience at home, at least that's what im striving for, but when will we get to a point where someone develops something that can make modest speakers sound like a million bucks. You know, make it a little easier for the everyman to take the first steps into home theater. I'm just wondering how much more immersive can we get. I have a 7.2.4 setup and can't see how I could benefit from anything greater. Would love to hear from someone a little more versed on the subject.
I like your comment because it describes what is actually happening. You can get great speakers without breaking the bank (even if the 20channel high-end crowd will not admit it) and amplification to drive e'm right is affordable and transparent.

Add a good subwoofer and room correction and suddenly modest speakers do, in fact, "sound like a million bucks"

One of the ideas behind IMAX Enhanced is to make having a top-performing system easier to put together and operate. That's only going to have limited appeal to the AVS Forum enthusiast who already knows the inas and outs of a flagship AVR, but for less technical consumers "packaging" and automating best practices/settings and making it practically "foolproof" i.e. triggering a dedicated mode with the settings already baked in, is doing them quite a big favor.
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Today marks the release of the first two IMAX Enhanced titles on Ultra HD Blu-ray disc. The debut consists of a pair of documentaries, "A Beautiful Planet" narrated by Jennifer Lawrence, and "Journey to the South Pacific" narrated by Cate Blanchett.


Click this link to read more: https://www.avsforum.com/first-imax-...now-available/


For more information about the IMAX Enhanced program, visit www.IMAXenhanced.com.
I preordered both... picked up Beautiful Planet yesterday and took a look at the first 15 mins or so last night after work and was really impressed with the visuals on the OLED. Looking forward to watching it in full in the coming days.

I'm picking up South Pacific today. I really enjoy these types of documentaries.

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I like your comment because it describes what is actually happening. You can get great speakers without breaking the bank (even if the 20channel high-end crowd will not admit it) and amplification to drive e'm right is affordable and transparent.

Add a good subwoofer and room correction and suddenly modest speakers do, in fact, "sound like a million bucks"

One of the ideas behind IMAX Enhanced is to make having a top-performing system easier to put together and operate. That's only going to have limited appeal to the AVS Forum enthusiast who already knows the inas and outs of a flagship AVR, but for less technical consumers "packaging" and automating best practices/settings and making it practically "foolproof" i.e. triggering a dedicated mode with the settings already baked in, is doing them quite a big favor.

Yeah, I guess this is what I'm missing in this announcement. What is it exactly that differentiates these 'IMAX Enhanced' discs from, say, the Planet Earth II / Blue Planet II discs? Is it just that these are 60Hz titles? Or is it that these have the latest immersive sound format?


My 'theater' consists of a mildly treated apartment living room, an entry level 4K projector and a modest 5.0 surround sound system (no subs-- I'm a good neighbor). Shockingly, I somewhat struggle to find material that really puts my simple system through it's paces. The BBC series I mentioned before, Bladerunner 2049, Interstellar, The Dark Crystal remaster (this one actually outperforms my system due to judder)... I guess I'm looking for what makes these discs special?
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I preordered both... picked up Beautiful Planet yesterday and took a look at the first 15 mins or so last night after work and was really impressed with the visuals on the OLED. Looking forward to watching it in full in the coming days.

I'm picking up South Pacific today. I really enjoy these types of documentaries.
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I like your comment because it describes what is actually happening. You can get great speakers without breaking the bank (even if the 2-channel high-end crowd will not admit it) and amplification to drive e'm right is affordable and transparent, too (and much lighter!).

Add a good subwoofer and room correction and suddenly modest speakers do, in fact, "sound like a million bucks"

One of the ideas behind IMAX Enhanced is to make having a top-performing system easier to put together and operate. That's only going to have limited appeal to the AVS Forum enthusiast who already knows the ins and outs of a flagship AVR, but for less technical consumers "packaging" and automating best practices/settings, and making it practically "foolproof" i.e. triggering a dedicated mode with the settings already baked in, is doing them quite a big favor.
Also there has to be a new Audio Codec so Denon and Marantz can get people to keep upgrading
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Projectors "do" HDR in the sense of using the higher bit depth, the WCG, and also allowing for a higher peak brightness that a "calibrated" theater foring for the SDR DCI spec would have. So basically, yes, projectors "do" HDR, just not as it's mastered for TVs.

As for the rest, it's not a review it's a post about a press release so try and relax, sheesh. Or just don't read it again if you are somehow allergic to enthusiastic writing styles.

I'm not sure these are the titles I'd turn to to make judgments about 3D immersive sound. We need to wait for (what I believe to be) the inevitable release of Hollywood big-budget titles.
Mark - your post was written as if YOU penned it and those are your words, not marketing 101 stuff.
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It seems a lot of people are somehow allergic to enthusiastic writing styles. LOL
No, not at all "allergic to enthusiastic writing styles", when I know it's copy/paste from some marketing memo that was sent then sure, but this is AVS, we strive for backing up what WE say, at least we used to.
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Mark - your post was written as if YOU penned it and those are your words, not marketing 101 stuff.
I know your objective ability, so when I see you making those statements you set my expectations.


No, not at all "allergic to enthusiastic writing styles", when I know it's copy/paste from some marketing memo that was sent then sure, but this is AVS, we strive for backing up what WE say, at least we used to.
S for ...... Science, that's what originally set this forum apart from many others.
Again, just a post about press release, not an investigative report. It's not science, it's a product announcement.
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Mark - your post was written as if YOU penned it and those are your words, not marketing 101 stuff.
I know your objective ability, so when I see you making those statements you set my expectations.


No, not at all "allergic to enthusiastic writing styles", when I know it's copy/paste from some marketing memo that was sent then sure, but this is AVS, we strive for backing up what WE say, at least we used to.
S for ...... Science, that's what originally set this forum apart from many others.
So what you are saying you don't like how i write lol. Well that is fine, Im here to do a job and the quote of Marks was because we had just talked about this the other day and I found it funny. My 2 cents

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