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post #61 of 79 Old 01-31-2019, 12:07 AM
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I just replaced my last 1080p TV, now I have to start replacing 4K TVs - great!
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I just replaced my last 1080p TV, now I have to start replacing 4K TVs - great!

Na, I don't think you're going to need to worry about this for years to come....

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I just replaced my last 1080p TV, now I have to start replacing 4K TVs - great!
4k tvs will work for the playstation five but for the debut of the playstation six at 8k in SEVEN years then you will need an 8k tv unless you want to show off your new 16k tv to japanese friends seven years or 8 years
from now.
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Was it a true 8K Association though?
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Honestly, why bother going any higher than 4k right now? Even 4k is a bit overkill. I really only see a need for it in virtual reality displays.
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Honestly, why bother going any higher than 4k right now? Even 4k is a bit overkill. I really only see a need for it in virtual reality displays.
I can see 2 primary needs or reasons for 8k. First would be movie theater screens, and second would be home theater projectors. For 8k to make ANY sense you need to be in the 100"+ screen size. 80" screens is a bare minimum and the benefit is debatable. With something like an 80" TV you are approaching the max limits of what you can even fit and install in a house without taking out a wall. Sure they might fit through the door, but you aren't taking any turns with something that size unless you got wide hallways. And frankly lets be honest, when you are talking in the 80 to 100 inch screen size, projectors really take over that space, outside of commercial spaces at least. But 4k, TRUE 4k projectors are still relatively new, whereas 4k tv's have been around for what almost 10 years at this point.
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I can see 2 primary needs or reasons for 8k. First would be movie theater screens, and second would be home theater projectors.
At home, 8K will come mainly not via projection, but via wall-sized TVs or tiled screens.


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....whereas 4k tv's have been around for what almost 10 years at this point.
Actually, the first 4K TV was launched in 2012. So 7 years ago.
The first company to release a 4K TV was LG
In November 2012, the first TVs with 4K resolution went on sale in the United States. The very first was the LG 84EM9600, but hot on its heels came the Sony XBR-84X900. The list price was $20,000 for the LG and $25,000 for the Sony.
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At home, 8K will come mainly not via projection, but via wall-sized TVs or tiled screens.




Actually, the first 4K TV was launched in 2012. So 7 years ago.
The first company to release a 4K TV was LG
In November 2012, the first TVs with 4K resolution went on sale in the United States. The very first was the LG 84EM9600, but hot on its heels came the Sony XBR-84X900. The list price was $20,000 for the LG and $25,000 for the Sony.
Ok so I was close 7 years is "almost" 10 years LOL I just don't see a market for wall sized tv's in homes. The majority of TV sales outside of AVS are normally in the 60" to 65" size. once you start getting into the 80"+ range you really start encroaching into the realm where most people who want a say 100"+ screen are most likely going to go with a projector. Granted there are no 100" TV's on the consumer market, the largest I could find on Crutchfield was 88", but not many people can fit a tv thats 6 and a half feet wide by almost 4 feet tall in a normal room. But who knows only time will tell, 10 years ago I had a 36" CRT screen in the living room and now I have a 70" flat screen.
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Ok so I was close 7 years is "almost" 10 years LOL I just don't see a market for wall sized tv's in homes. The majority of TV sales outside of AVS are normally in the 60" to 65" size.
The average screen size is getting bigger and bigger each year.

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once you start getting into the 80"+ range you really start encroaching into the realm where most people who want a say 100"+ screen are most likely going to go with a projector.
Maybe.
But 8K, HFR, VRR, WCG, and HDR will slowly kill projection, making room to bigger and bigger screens.

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Granted there are no 100" TV's on the consumer market, the largest I could find on Crutchfield was 88", but not many people can fit a tv thats 6 and a half feet wide by almost 4 feet tall in a normal room.
When they find what their neighbor has in his living room...

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But who knows only time will tell, 10 years ago I had a 36" CRT screen in the living room and now I have a 70" flat screen.
That's the spirit!
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Maybe.
But 8K, HFR, VRR, WCG, and HDR will slowly kill projection, making room to bigger and bigger screens.

Why would any of those kill of projection, there is no technical reason projectors cannot leverage any of those technologies. (HDR is tricker given)



Until we have acoustically transparently TV's, I think projection will be around.
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Why would any of those kill of projection, there is no technical reason projectors cannot leverage any of those technologies. (HDR is tricker given)
This is not about projection not been able to do all of that, but about the cost of all of that with projection.
Slowly, the performance and price gap will get bigger every year.
That will kill projection at home and even at the cinema.

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Until we have acoustically transparently TV's, I think projection will be around.
There are solutions even for that (screen used as speaker, multiple speakers around the edge of the screen for LCR).
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4K does not look as good on the internet from Amazon, Netflix.
25mbps not 4k
What looks good is HDR and REC2020 (even it if only DCI at the moment).
When 4K was announced, the same reactions were all over the forums: you won't see any difference, there is no content, blah blah blah.
And yet, HEVC, HDR and marginally in comparison 4K has made a huge difference, even with movies with only 2K digital intermediates.
Same happened for HD by the way, remember FOX "480p is enough"?
Now, if you compare AVC HD to MPEG2 SD, you want to puke.
We don't know what 8K has in store, in addition to the resolution, we don't know how fast content will come, and we don't know how 4K content will look on 8K media or streamed. Already, there is a codec twice as good as HEVC.
I know that 2K content looks a lot better in UHD HDR REC2020, so I won't close my mind. Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.
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don't understand what your seem ? according to me?
1. 4K through Netflix or Amazon
not really 4K!
that airs at 25mbps

2. Ultra Blue Ray at least 100mbps

3. to enjoy 4K at least 50mbps Streaming
Yes, and 2K through Amazon or Netflix barely offers 720p. But HDR and REC2020 are real, and more important. My taste only, if you sit very close to your screen you're perfectly in your right to favor resolution. For me, it's not the case.

And what I was saying is that with 8K streaming, you will get 4K resolution. And maybe better codecs and better colors. That should make you happy!

I have seen high bit rate MPEG2. It looks raw compared to much lower bitrate than HEVC. I prefer better codecs, maybe using deep learning, than higher bitrate.
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Oooh boy the GPU's are going to have a long way to catch up to this. I'm just waiting for HDMI 2.1 ports from both TVs & GPUs personally. Let's get 4k working at 60-144fps first lol
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Oooh boy the GPU's are going to have a long way to catch up to this. I'm just waiting for HDMI 2.1 ports from both TVs & GPUs personally. Let's get 4k working at 60-144fps first lol
Not even the RTX2080Ti can achieve 4k 120Hz for a modern FPS game...

And the next RTX2080Ti SUPER is not an HDMI 2.1 card since the Turing SerDes chip cannot support more than 18Gbps so it will be an HDMI 2.0 card...

Nvidia Ampere? Maybe in the second half of 2020...

The road to a full HDMI 2.1 ecosystem will be a long one...
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At 12', you should be seeing 4k.
Not to mention a 12' screen is simply...well...you know....
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If this works out right we can hopefully have native 4K dmds for DLP projectors ready in time for the 8K pixel shifting to be the next big thing LMAO.
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I won't settle for anything less than a 1tb screen at this point 🤣
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Holy cow I don't even have 4K yet... looks like I'm gonna do it like China and switch from barely HD to 16K in a couple of years
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