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8K Association is Formed at CES 2019

I'm at CES 2019 in Las vegas right now and only have enough time to share press releases. Here's the news on the new 8K association:

"Las Vegas - A group of the world’s leading display technology brands have come together at CES 2019 to form a new industry organization: The 8K Association (8KA). Founding companies for the 8KA include leading panel supplier AU Optronics (AUO) along with consumer electronics giants Hisense, Panasonic, Samsung Electronics and TCL Electronics. Panel supplier Samsung Display is also in the process of joining the 8KA. This international group of leaders recently signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) to form the nonprofit organization to advance their common vision and mission.

Specific goals of the organization include:

· Promoting 8K TVs and 8K Content to consumers and professionals

· Helping educate consumers and professionals about the 8K ecosystem

· Helping secure 8K native content for members

· Encouraging service providers (especially OTT) to develop 8K offerings

· Facilitating communication within 8K ecosystem to help with commercialization

· Developing initial technical requirements for 8K input signals

· Developing initial 8K TV categories and minimum specifications for image quality

The organization will work on developing the entire value chain for 8K with an initial focus on supporting the early commercialization and adoption of 8K TVs. A web site for the organization with some additional information can be found at: www.8kassociation.com.

“The 8K Association will not only provide an effective introduction to 8K technology but will also accelerate the beginning of the 8K era,” said Hyogun Lee, Executive Vice President of Visual Display Business at Samsung Electronics. “By leading the early stages of ecosystem development, Samsung will further solidify its global leadership in the 8K market.”

"8KA helps to accelerate the development of 8K eco-system and the popularization of 8K products,” said Dr. Weidong Liu, the chief scientist of Hisense Electronics. “Hisense will bring 8K ULED products to market and will provide consumers with excellent picture quality and extraordinary visual experiences.”

Building on the newly founded 8K Association and powered by major investments in the latest-generation large-screen 8K-ready panel production facilities, the newest of which enters production in early 2019, TCL will pave the way for an 8K era and actively encourage a wide range of business partners - from streaming services and hardware manufactures - to take the lead in making 8K widely available and accessible.

“The newly founded 8K Association will help drive the introduction of 8K technology in the North American and world market,” said Chris Larson, Senior Vice President of TCL North America. “TCL will become a global leader in 8K display technology and push our partners, both streaming services and manufacturers, to provide consumers with the best possible content in this emerging new market.”

“AUO has long been devoted to the development of advanced display technologies and was among the first to have introduced 8K technology to large-sized TV displays, said WeiLung Liau, CTO of AUO. “It is hoped that through the founding of 8K Association with partners of the ecosystem, globally consistent standards will be established to accelerate the adoption of 8K technology, delivering the best image performance possible for viewers worldwide.


"In Japan commercial 8K broadcasting via satellite was launched from 1st December 2018. Accordingly, we at Panasonic strongly expect that this Association will lead the 8K ecosystem creating both business opportunities and consumer benefits." said Michiko Ogawa, Executive Officer of Panasonic Corporation.” - 8K Association

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I really hope my 4K UHD collection doesn't go obsolete already

Will be interesting to see what 8K does to home Cinema.

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Will be interesting to see what 8K does to home Cinema.


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I really hope my 4K UHD collection doesn't go obsolete already

Will be interesting to see what 8K does to home Cinema.
Too bad, but your 4K collection will be obsolete. Don't fret. Unless you are sitting close, you are still not seeing 4K yet.
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And we wonder why bluray and UHD doesn't become the leading format for sales. Casual consumers keep hearing about the next technology before they even get a chance to buy the current one.

They'll keep buying DVD's and use streaming.

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Too bad, but your 4K collection will be obsolete. Don't fret. Unless you are sitting close, you are still not seeing 4K yet.


9.5 feet from a 12’ wide screen. Am I seeing 4k?




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9.5 feet from a 12’ wide screen. Am I seeing 4k?

Doesn't matter, you're seeing HDR and REC2020 (DCI only so far) which are much more significant than 4K.

I wonder if 8K will also bring something else than more resolution?

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8K is one reason 3D as a process is out. That doesn't mean 3D as an effect is out but that it is implicit in further display advancement. I read one reviewer say that the native 8K he saw on Sony's Z9G is 3-dimensional, because distant objects are now able to be resolved, while near objects have tremendous immediacy. He said the subjective effect is like looking out a window instead of at a screen. At the show Sony is using the buzzword, "realness".

It's not just a numbers game. Greater pixel density is necessary to scale up the visual impact of larger, 85-inch-and-over screens at close viewing distances, towards the total visual field which goggles achieved at the cost of brain damage. Even discounting the hype factor, it suggests the direction TV makers are going to achieve glasses-free 3D. Just something else to consider about 8K and beyond.

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And we wonder why bluray and UHD doesn't become the leading format for sales. Casual consumers keep hearing about the next technology before they even get a chance to buy the current one.

They'll keep buying DVD's and use streaming.
Wtf? My fat ps3 with blu ray i purchased in 2006 November and its now 2019 right?
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Doesn't matter, you're seeing HDR and REC2020 (DCI only so far) which are much more significant than 4K.

I wonder if 8K will also bring something else than more resolution?
I think they are trying to push HFR at 60 and 120fps. Obviously this won't apply to existing content. But it gives broadcasters a chance to leapfrog 4K completely. Too bad we don't even have ATSC 3.0 in the US yet...
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This is my theme, that yes we do have to make camera and monitor pixels small enough that they can't be seen but once we achieve that goal then making them even smaller no longer has any appreciable perceptual effect for the audience; and other attributes become the chief or only players in the appearance of crispness and image quality.
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In Part II, Steve performs various resolution demonstrations. In one, he takes a 4k frame grab, down samples it to 2k (throwing away pixels), then upscales it back to 4k and overlays it on top of the original native 4k image, and then toggles back and forth between the layers. He says that with pixel counts or "k's" as he calls them, people are looking for one single measure that represents image quality, that it cannot be.

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I'm at CES 2019 in Las vegas right now and only have enough time to share press releases. Here's the news on the new 8K association:

"Las Vegas - A group of the world’s leading display technology brands have come together at CES 2019 to form a new industry organization: The 8K Association (8KA). Founding companies for the 8KA include leading panel supplier AU Optronics (AUO) along with consumer electronics giants Hisense, Panasonic, Samsung Electronics and TCL Electronics. Panel supplier Samsung Display is also in the process of joining the 8KA. This international group of leaders recently signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) to form the nonprofit organization to advance their common vision and mission.

Specific goals of the organization include:

· Promoting 8K TVs and 8K Content to consumers and professionals

· Helping educate consumers and professionals about the 8K ecosystem

· Helping secure 8K native content for members

· Encouraging service providers (especially OTT) to develop 8K offerings

· Facilitating communication within 8K ecosystem to help with commercialization

· Developing initial technical requirements for 8K input signals

· Developing initial 8K TV categories and minimum specifications for image quality

The organization will work on developing the entire value chain for 8K with an initial focus on supporting the early commercialization and adoption of 8K TVs. A web site for the organization with some additional information can be found at: www.8kassociation.com.

“The 8K Association will not only provide an effective introduction to 8K technology but will also accelerate the beginning of the 8K era,” said Hyogun Lee, Executive Vice President of Visual Display Business at Samsung Electronics. “By leading the early stages of ecosystem development, Samsung will further solidify its global leadership in the 8K market.”

"8KA helps to accelerate the development of 8K eco-system and the popularization of 8K products,” said Dr. Weidong Liu, the chief scientist of Hisense Electronics. “Hisense will bring 8K ULED products to market and will provide consumers with excellent picture quality and extraordinary visual experiences.”

Building on the newly founded 8K Association and powered by major investments in the latest-generation large-screen 8K-ready panel production facilities, the newest of which enters production in early 2019, TCL will pave the way for an 8K era and actively encourage a wide range of business partners - from streaming services and hardware manufactures - to take the lead in making 8K widely available and accessible.

“The newly founded 8K Association will help drive the introduction of 8K technology in the North American and world market,” said Chris Larson, Senior Vice President of TCL North America. “TCL will become a global leader in 8K display technology and push our partners, both streaming services and manufacturers, to provide consumers with the best possible content in this emerging new market.”

“AUO has long been devoted to the development of advanced display technologies and was among the first to have introduced 8K technology to large-sized TV displays, said WeiLung Liau, CTO of AUO. “It is hoped that through the founding of 8K Association with partners of the ecosystem, globally consistent standards will be established to accelerate the adoption of 8K technology, delivering the best image performance possible for viewers worldwide.


"In Japan commercial 8K broadcasting via satellite was launched from 1st December 2018. Accordingly, we at Panasonic strongly expect that this Association will lead the 8K ecosystem creating both business opportunities and consumer benefits." said Michiko Ogawa, Executive Officer of Panasonic Corporation.” - 8K Association
Everyone is talking about 8K + HDMI 2.1
But no 12BIT color? 16BIT color?
Why is there no 4: 4: 4 12bit?

If there is an HDMI 2.1 chip on the motherboard TV
This means that the screens do not match the HDMI 2.1 color
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It's good to see them come together and set a uniform standard for 8K, the early adopters of 4K got a raw deal, but thats what happens when they release a product without a uniform standard.


I'd guess they will have the specs in place in 12-18months and we will see a 8KA standards at CES 2021

Just in time for a 8K 90+ inch screen for 2022 World Cup

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Just in time for a 8K 90+ inch screen for 2022 World Cup
I'll be the first to buy one!

I went recently from a 4.5m wide screen projection system to a measly 65" inch OLED TV, due to being in between houses, and even with such a difference in size, the difference in image quality more than makes for it.

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I think they are trying to push HFR at 60 and 120fps. Obviously this won't apply to existing content. But it gives broadcasters a chance to leapfrog 4K completely. Too bad we don't even have ATSC 3.0 in the US yet...
HFR at 60fps is already available on 4K UHD, just extremely rare as the only film I have come across is Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk. The picture is fantastic.

Unless they are planning to implement 3D I don't see how 120Hz will improve anything and only waste bandwidth/storage space.
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And what HDCP version will be invented for this so we all have to buy new receivers and TV's/Projectors? </sarcasm>
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8k, A serious waste of money. Has OTA, cable or satellite caught up to this? We don't even have 4k content(ota/cable, possibly in the works) in fact some cable companies aren't even providing 1080P. I get better reception of HD OTA then cable. Do the streaming services have 8k??? Even if they do, you will be blowing your data cap very easily. Costing you big$$$$. People do you self a favor and enjoy what you have today for the next several years. CES 2019 was a big disappointment this year. I want to see tech that will benefit the elderly, the disabled and stroke survivor's that's affordable and possibly covered by insurance. I jut laugh when I hear. This 8l consortium is a joke to" push companies to deliver 8k broadcast. Remember it cost big dollars to upgrade infrastructure which equates it being trickled down to the end user.

"Las Vegas - A group of the world’s leading display technology brands have come together at CES 2019 to form a new industry organization: The 8K Association (8KA). Founding companies for the 8KA include leading panel supplier AU Optronics (AUO) along with consumer electronics giants Hisense, Panasonic, Samsung Electronics and TCL Electronics. Panel supplier Samsung Display is also in the process of joining the 8KA. This international group of leaders recently signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) to form the nonprofit organization to advance their common vision and mission. Seriously?????
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They said about the same thing when the first HD airings started in Japan...
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HFR at 60fps is already available on 4K UHD, just extremely rare as the only film I have come across is Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk. The picture is fantastic.

Unless they are planning to implement 3D I don't see how 120Hz will improve anything and only waste bandwidth/storage space.
It will reduce strobing/judder as well as (maybe less noticeably) motion blur.

Since EBU tests have shown viewers preferred 240 fps (2D) over 120 fps, even 120 fps (2D) won't really be enough (and the bigger the TV/more field of view it takes up - the more 100/120 fps and above will really be needed for reducing strobing/judder and motion blur).
See http://iptvseminar.com/documents/201...rharen-npo.pdf
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It will reduce strobing/judder as well as (maybe less noticeably) motion blur.

Since EBU tests have shown viewers preferred 240 fps (2D) over 120 fps, even 120 fps (2D) won't really be enough (and the bigger the TV/more field of view it takes up - the more 100/120 fps and above will really be needed for reducing strobing/judder and motion blur).
See http://iptvseminar.com/documents/201...rharen-npo.pdf
I can't wait to see 8k at 240fps using OTA or cable. It will only require the same amount of bandwidth as 64-128 1080p HD channels...

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I can't wait to see 8k at 240fps using OTA or cable. It will only require the same amount of bandwidth as 64-128 1080p HD channels...
I don't think your calculations are correct and also advanced codecs like HEVC allow better compression than before. Higher frame rates with compressed video like HEVC don't require higher bandwidths in a simple way. Though they can increase bandwidth - though they could give better image quality without much increase to the bandwidth.

But 8K content and TVs will or should allow for changes to the techniques of TV production and cinema production. The resolution and size of the displays will mean you don't need pans as much (and pans can be slower - look at the CES demos of 8K) or cuts as much or as much camera movement, which will mean savings on bandwidth due to being more compressible.

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I just bought a 4k TV for my bedroom to supplement my 55" 3-gun CRT RPTV which, after calibrations, looks as good as it did when I bought it.......in 2004. Now it's 8K, and AFAIK 8k is not in any theaters yet. What they said was right about computers and phones, they become outdated once you buy them.


Not for nothing, but I wonder what people do with these big screens. I use them for movies, tv and roku. I know someone who has a big smart tv in every room of their home, including the kitchen.....and use them for social media only. They watch netflix, amazon and anything else on their phones and tablets.
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The way I see it the law of diminishing returns is starting to bite hard.
  • I was the first person I knew to buy a DVD player
  • First to get a 1080p TV
  • First with an HD DVD player
  • First with a Blu Ray player
  • Skipped 3D because I'm not a fan
  • Only got my first 4K TV 6 months ago when screens large enough to really benefit from it became affordable for me
  • No interest in 8K. Maybe one day when I can have a dedicated room with a huge screen?

I think we are getting to the limit in terms of screen sizes most normal people want in their homes. Many of my friends think I am crazy having an 82" TV in my living room. To see a benefit from 8K i'd have to go even bigger, and it won't fit.

I have seen some of the vendors talking up the other tech that goes along with 8K, but why not concentrate on those technologies with 4K rather than the resolution?
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I wonder if 8k is the end of the road since almost all applications will be covered at that resolution? I would presume that 8k is the 'final standard' for the next 20-30 years ... am I mistaken about that?

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I wonder if 8k is the end of the road since almost all applications will be covered at that resolution? I would presume that 8k is the 'final standard' for the next 20-30 years ... am I mistaken about that?
Well there is 16k and 32k just in case...

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And just like the HDMI organization/association - won't have any standards finalized for manufacturers for another 5 years...

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HFR at 60fps is already available on 4K UHD, just extremely rare as the only film I have come across is Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk. The picture is fantastic.

Unless they are planning to implement 3D I don't see how 120Hz will improve anything and only waste bandwidth/storage space.
Other benefits of higher refresh rates that might not be as obvious on the surface: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...l#post57446288

It is the most neglected PQ parameter in the flat panel technology race.
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Other benefits of higher refresh rates that might not be as obvious on the surface: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...l#post57446288

It is the most neglected PQ parameter in the flat panel technology race.
That is display refresh rate, not content refresh rate talked about there for all the picture corrections. It sounds like it is a per display auto correction discussed there. I don't think you want to receive a stream containing the fixes for my TV sent to yours...

So hi refresh rate is nothing new, there were/are LCD's running at 600Hz. What I'm talking about here is capturing video at 120Hz or more which is wasted unless the aim is to always have a crisp image if you click pause. Gaming PCs benefit from 120-240Hz but that is because there is no inherent motion blur as part of the rendering so seeing several images in the same "eye-capture" interval will let the brain produce the motion blur instead.

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