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Samsung's 219" The Wall Dominates CES 2019 Coverage

If Samsung’s intention in going big with the 219″ The Wall 4K LED display was to make a huge splash at CES 2019, it succeeded. This gigantic screen is made its debut just a couple weeks ago as part of a TV product unveiling coinciding with the 50th anniversary of Samsung Electronics.

The wall 219″ looked utterly stunning on the show floor of the Las Vegas convention center. Indeed, although this is clearly a price no object item, it was more than compelling enough to earn an AVS Forum Best of CES 2019 award.

The takeaway, based on data compiled by Benedict Nicholson of NewsWhip in an article titled “These were the brands that drove the most engagement at CES this year” (link here) using its analytics tools, is that The Wall absolutely won the day when it came to being featured in top stories, it showed up in six out of the top 10 articles cited by NewsWhip. And by showed up, I mean it was the headline for those articles.

The popularity is unsurprising. At CES, bigger is better—an attitude aided and abetted by the larger than life atmosphere of Vegas itself. To make a screen this big in one piece is challenging, so Samsung’s The Wall is a display made out of LED modules that fit together like pieces of a puzzle. The squares are modular, but when assembled they make a huge wall-like 4K HDR-capable TV, hence the name The Wall.

This display has exceptional picture quality attributes since it is an emissive display, meaning each pixel lights up on its own. That means it can reproduce “perfect” blacks and also get super bright for stunning HDR.

Here’s a video I shot of The Wall on the show floor of CES 2019…


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Yeah but does it have HDMI 2.1?

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If they can make these affordable then projectors will become dinosaurs.
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Yep, it underlines that fact that 2019 is about scaling not changing the current paradigm Even 8K must be viewed not so much as "better than 4K" but as integral to 80"+ screens. Quantum dot and CLEDIS are buzz because, hey, all shows have to point to the next show.

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Too bad it’d take an act of Congress for me to afford one. Hey, maybe I could get someone else to pay for it. Or just tell my wife it’s an ‘emergency’..
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Personally, I think the future Isn't built up displays like this. It's rollable led screens. MLED or whatever accomplishes the job. You take home your rolled up display in a tube. Slap It up on your wall like a poster. It's got one cord attached. You plug it into your video hub. Done. You have a huge display you can roll up again and carry it by yourself anywhere you like that has a wall. Or perhaps just hang it from the ceiling. Might even be view able from both sides. Also, since local sound effects produced by displays are now a thing I wouldn't doubt that this feature will some day become a reality in a display like this as well. No more Center, Left, Right and front height channels, just your surrounds and rear height channels.

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Personally, I think the future Isn't built up displays like this. It's rollable led screens. MLED or whatever accomplishes the job. You take home your rolled up display in a tube. Slap It up on your wall like a poster. It's got one cord attached. You plug it into your video hub. Done. You have a huge display you can roll up again and carry it by yourself anywhere you like that has a wall. Or perhaps just hang it from the ceiling. Might even be view able from both sides.
That sounds more like the trend I'd like. As phones and tablets are getting wide screens that we can fold or roll, it's natural to expect other types of screens to follow the same pattern. I prefer to pay for something so portable like that than something as huge as The Wall.
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At $20 per square inch having black bars will make me cry.
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If they can make these affordable then projectors will become dinosaurs.
Affordable ?


In 2015 my choices were spend 5000 for an 80 inch hdtv versus a 1000 for an lg pf1500 led projector


2019 my choices are spend 5000 for an ok 4k hdtv versus a 1250 for a 4k projector

Meant 1200 and not not 12000
Meaning spend 5k for good 4k tv versus 1.2k for a 4k projector

Rinse repeat for 8k
Rinse repeat for 16k
Rinse repeat for 32k

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Affordable ?


In 2015 my choices were spend 5000 for an 80 inch hdtv versus a 1000 for an lg pf1500 led projector


2019 my choices are spend 5000 for an ok 4k hdtv versus a 12500 for a 4k projector


Rinse repeat for 8k
Rinse repeat for 16k
Rinse repeat for 32k
Not sure where you're going with this...
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Cool thing about this modular discrete emissive LED tech is the ability to make any arbitray aspect ratio display, and change it as you feel like 4:3, 16:9, 2.31:1, etc


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Not sure where you're going with this...
Meant 5k hdtv in 4k versus 1.2k projector in 4k
I see same price points when it gets to 8k, 16k,32k
Large tv sets are expensive i.e. nobody sells a 135 inch 4k tv for under 3k
Versus a 4k projector at 3k dollars does 135 inch image
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At $20 per square inch having black bars will make me cry.
The article claimed it does blacks perfectly so that should help.
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If they can make these affordable then projectors will become dinosaurs.
I haven't seen Samsung's The Wall aside from the press coverage but reading about how it's put together and then hearing it's expensive make me want to go thank my projector for being so awesome. (I have to assume there is little to now calibration beyond initial setup.)

My screen is smaller (If I recall 127 inch 2:35:1) .... but projectors these days are still fun at home. Best part might be that I already have one at home. Sort of like the funnest car to drive is my own.

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The article claimed it does blacks perfectly so that should help.
There is black and then there is pitch black or the absence of light.

If what @brazensol believes and projectors become dinosaurs just think you can paint your theater gloss white and turn many bright lights on if you want. You may actually want to do that as the increased brightness off the “wall” will be blinding when the image suddenly switches from dark to bright without the bias lighting in the room.

I guess you could make the projector super dim say 15FL and then keep the dark room and a film-like presentation, but if you do that you can just keep your projector. It could be the death of the film-like presentation.

Once they take over we will just have giant TVs in our living rooms. Wives will be the happiest as no more arguing about painting ceilings black and all the other WAF stuff.

I wonder if IMAX has a plan for an 80’ high “wall”. I’m betting they don’t.

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Affordable ?


In 2015 my choices were spend 5000 for an 80 inch hdtv versus a 1000 for an lg pf1500 led projector


2019 my choices are spend 5000 for an ok 4k hdtv versus a 1250 for a 4k projector

Meant 1200 and not not 12000
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Not sure where you're going with this...
I know where he's going. Once everyone spends a fortune a mere few years later they'll come out with new formats. They are already working on 8k. After that 16k. So on and so forth. Then there's the updating HDMI format and I'm sure they'll keep throwing in updated HDCP. Rinse and repeat. All to keep everyone spending money to keep up with the latest format.
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I know where he's going. Once everyone spends a fortune a mere few years later they'll come out with new formats.

Almost everyone.
I was an early adopter in the late 70s when I bought my first VHS recorder player. Oh was that a proud day for me and it only cost me $800 when I was bringing home 200 a week. After all it was a top loading 2 head machine. As I watched the technology curve do its thing and marketing “rinse/repeat” I swore never to be caught up in that mess again. I became a late adopter and last year I retired my $365 720p projector that served me well for 3 years costing me 33 cents a day and now I have been upgraded to a wonderful $499 1080p RGBRGB dark chip 3 theater projector, hoping to get another 3-4 years of enjoyment. I hear there is 4k and fake 4k that’s all the rage now. All I can say is I will have to look into that around 2024. Hope the price comes way down and they get the bugs out by then, will likely skip over fake 4k. I’m still rocking a 5.2 sound system with a couple DIY 12” subs that are too much for my older family members.

I was at a garage sale last summer and a guy had a pile of VHS projectors and a mountain of tapes marked “Help yourself FREE!” He saw me looking and said take a few they all work and are getting hard to find. I said no thanks I have an $800 one at home.
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I was an early adopter in the late 70s when I bought my first VHS recorder player. Oh was that a proud day for me and it only cost me $800 when I was bringing home 200 a week. After all it was a top loading 2 head machine. As I watched the technology curve do its thing and marketing “rinse/repeat” I swore never to be caught up in that mess again. I became a late adopter and last year I retired my $365 720p projector that served me well for 3 years costing me 33 cents a day and now I have been upgraded to a wonderful $499 1080p RGBRGB dark chip 3 theater projector, hoping to get another 3-4 years of enjoyment. I hear there is 4k and fake 4k that’s all the rage now. All I can say is I will have to look into that around 2024. Hope the price comes way down and they get the bugs out by then, will likely skip over fake 4k. I’m still rocking a 5.2 sound system with a couple DIY 12” subs that are too much for my older family members.

I was at a garage sale last summer and a guy had a pile of VHS projectors and a mountain of tapes marked “Help yourself FREE!” He saw me looking and said take a few they all work and are getting hard to find. I said no thanks I have an $800 one at home.
Yeah, same here. Late adopter. Ah VHS, my first vcr recorder/player was a 4 head Hifi one. Damn if I can remember the brand. Haven't thought about it in years.

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This display has exceptional picture quality attributes since it is an emissive display, meaning each pixel lights up on its own. That means it can reproduce “perfect” blacks and also get super bright for stunning HDR.

https://youtu.be/sMYuxuE3XD0

Because of that, does it perform like a OLED?

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So, is this ever going to be sold or is it just vaporware?

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Hope it has better blacks than my Samsung ice maker. My experience with Korean electronic companies warranties has left a lot to be desired.
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Because of that, does it perform like a OLED?
Better, because it's not an organic led, It's not going to go bad like organic led's. It's not going to suffer burn in.
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Better, because it's not an organic led, It's not going to go bad like organic led's. It's not going to suffer burn in.
Then what is it called? Not just LED right? It says "This display has exceptional picture quality attributes since it is an emissive display, meaning each pixel lights up on its own. That means it can reproduce “perfect” blacks and also get super bright for stunning HDR."

So it sounds like OLED since it's a emissive display in other words, it sounds like it starts out as pure black like OLED or Plasma.

Also, I wonder how it handles motion? The same or better than Plasma?

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It's a proof of concept in a way....I like the sound of the technology though. It's basically everything OLED has to offer without the potential of burn in. What's not to love? Not sure about the motion part of things...
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Then what is it called? Not just LED right? It says "This display has exceptional picture quality attributes since it is an emissive display, meaning each pixel lights up on its own. That means it can reproduce “perfect” blacks and also get super bright for stunning HDR."

So it sounds like OLED since it's a emissive display in other words, it sounds like it starts out as pure black like OLED or Plasma.

Also, I wonder how it handles motion? The same or better than Plasma?
The technology that powers it is called microLED, which uses inorganic LEDs unlike the OLEDs. MicroLED's inorganic material (hypothetically) won't degrade over time or cause screen burn-in. It doesn't require a backlight, much like OLED so it can reproduce deep blacks. Here is a video with more info for you:

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The technology that powers it is called microLED, which uses inorganic LEDs unlike the OLEDs. MicroLED's inorganic material (hypothetically) won't degrade over time or cause screen burn-in. It doesn't require a backlight, much like OLED so it can reproduce deep blacks. Here is a video with more info for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WvCAuZIg2g
Thanks for the info. I now see what technology I'll have in my next display!

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The technology that powers it is called microLED, which uses inorganic LEDs unlike the OLEDs. MicroLED's inorganic material (hypothetically) won't degrade over time or cause screen burn-in. It doesn't require a backlight, much like OLED so it can reproduce deep blacks. Here is a video with more info for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WvCAuZIg2g
Thanks for the info. I now see what technology I'll have in my next display! And by the way, that video was outstanding.

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Sweet. Will never fit in my house!

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They're saying there might be a 75" version in about a year.

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