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As an anecdote about tariffs affect on us here. Myself, and 24 other people from my company were laid off last week as a direct result of the tariffs increasing the cost of the goods we sold, which in turn cut into our revenue.
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As anecdotal about tariffs, all of Europe has import tax on goods from outside. Results? A lot of the products are made in the country or at least in the EU. Ever since I came to Italy, almost everything except electronics that you can buy is made in Italy.

Do not blame tariffs when literally the rest of the world has them.

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As anecdotal about tariffs, all of Europe has import tax on goods from outside. Results? A lot of the products are made in the country or at least in the EU. Ever since I came to Italy, almost everything except electronics that you can buy is made in Italy.

Do not blame tariffs when literally the rest of the world has them.


Including China.
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As an anecdote about tariffs affect on us here. Myself, and 24 other people from my company were laid off last week as a direct result of the tariffs increasing the cost of the goods we sold, which in turn cut into our revenue.



Not surprising. The question is how many other businesses will have to fold or lay off employees before someone blinks.


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My income has remained exactly the same for the last three years. My federal Income Tax was $300 less this last year. But I spend a boatload of money at Walmart and they will be forced into raising their prices.
In other words.....

"I send a BOATLOAD of money to China while shopping at Walmart while simultaneously crushing small business owners and I am mad about tariffs on goods from China"

lol thats great!

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In other words.....

"I send a BOATLOAD of money to China while shopping at Walmart while simultaneously crushing small business owners and I am mad about tariffs on goods from China"

lol thats great!
I understand your sentiment - it's well worth supporting small businesses and committed small internet suppliers. It's a real problem that small businesses don't have the power that large do.

But the Walmart and its kind crushing small suppliers is one struggle, products coming from China is another.

Most likely (unless we have Walmart branded AVRs) both are trying to sell products that are largely made in China, and will be dealing with tariffs. I managed products from the 80's, and the large providers of almost every product from tractors, security systems, airplanes, etc. that I was involved with incrementally included foreign components.

In the beginning, it was central america (chips made in El Salvador, Honduras, etc.). Then Korea, Taiwan... Then the Philippines and eventually China and Vietnam. It wasn't only small chips, all sorts of other products were moved off the US by companies who saw a financial advantage from paying people a lot less to do the same thing.

At one point I designed manufacturing planning software that kept track where all of the parts came from for a product and I saw (this was in 1985) that a company that presented itself as an all american tractor company had tractors mostly (70 per cent) made of Chinese components. They were assembled in the US, so american.

So again - while I understand your concern, and it is valid, I do think it's two separate problems.
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Put flag(s) and greed together, and you've got fireworks. After Globalization's five-minute failure, Protectionism came back stronger/weaker than ever. Things will eventually sort out fair to middling in the midst of tin-pot dictators large and small. Protectionism with foreign aid seems the best hope until the next five-minute solution appears. "Ob-la-di, ob-la-da, life goes on."
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I don't see what the big deal is about - companies are not in business to make friends, they are in business to make profit. If you don't like the value then don't buy the product.

As for the politics - are u kidding me!? NOBODY cares what you think, save it for the polls.
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In other words.....

"I send a BOATLOAD of money to China while shopping at Walmart while simultaneously crushing small business owners and I am mad about tariffs on goods from China"

lol thats great!
And don't forget the boatload of money I spend on Amazon. I could care less about the small business owners. I hate the tariffs, but I didn't vote for him.

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As an anecdote about tariffs affect on us here. Myself, and 24 other people from my company were laid off last week as a direct result of the tariffs increasing the cost of the goods we sold, which in turn cut into our revenue.

Then there is the flip-side. My employer makes products for domestic sale and use. The labor market is so tight here ( unemployment at 2.2% ) in the manufacturing sector that working 60 hour weeks are common. After I go in tonight I will have logged 76 hours this week.

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Tariffs are political period. if you don't want the thread to become a discussions on tariff policy don't report on it.
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Keep in mind it's not only manufacturing of components in China, it's the parts integrated circuits capacitors, resistors are made in China and bought by everyone manufacture. All manufactures will feel the impact from the tariffs to some degree.
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Keep in mind it's not only manufacturing of components in China, it's the parts integrated circuits capacitors, resistors are made in China and bought by everyone manufacture. All manufactures will feel the impact from the tariffs to some degree.
Exactly....while I have tried to buy all my stuff from American manufacturers......they still have to source SOME parts from overseas.....it's the world we live in now.
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Tariffs are political period. if you don't want the thread to become a discussions on tariff policy don't report on it.
This section of the forum is for the latest news impacting the audio/video industry. So imagic started the thread with an informational post setting forth Emotiva's announcement. Personally, I believe that it is not that difficult to discuss the matter in this specific context without delving into politics. All it takes is a little restraint.
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This section of the forum is for the latest news impacting the audio/video industry. So imagic started the thread with an informational post setting forth Emotiva's announcement. Personally, I believe that it is not that difficult to discuss the matter in this specific context without delving into politics. All it takes is a little restraint.
Restraint? Luring with a carrot, then taking it away, with the likelihood of infractions for the members. That's not cool. How about no more political reporting or political discussion?

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Restraint? Luring with a carrot, then taking it away, with the likelihood of infractions for the members. That's not cool. How about no more political reporting or political discussion?
What "carrot"? Go back and read the first post. It basically is just factual reporting about what Emotiva said (again reporting facts) regarding its price changes do to the tariff.

A mature person who doesn't want to badger others with their particular political views can easily comment on that without getting into politics. If they can't, then they shouldn't comment. It ain't rocket science. It's horseys and duckies, people.
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What "carrot"? Go back and read the first post. It basically is just factual reporting about what Emotiva said (again reporting facts) regarding its price changes do to the tariff.

A mature person who doesn't want to badger others with their particular political views can easily comment on that without getting into politics. If they can't, then they shouldn't comment. It ain't rocket science. It's horseys and duckies, people.
Factual political reporting. Tariffs is politics.

Easily comment. Maybe something like, "I don't like that." I see your point.

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Factual political reporting. Tariffs is politics.

Easily comment. Maybe something like, "I don't like that." I see your point.

Yeah, but it can be kept just in the context of the (audio/video) industry effect. I agree with what you're saying about tariffs and politics, but the politics need not be injected, right?

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Yeah, but it can be kept just in the context of the (audio/video) industry effect. I agree with what you're saying about tariffs and politics, but the politics need not be injected, right?
Avoid it altogether is still my suggestion, since the rules of this website are clearly noted and enforced, including no political discussion and no political baiting. Once "US Government" is mentioned as a perpetrator or instigator, that's an open door and potential perilous waters for members.

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Avoid it altogether is still my suggestion, since the rules of this website are clearly noted and enforced, including no political discussion and no political baiting. Once "US Government" is mentioned as a perpetrator or instigator, that's an open door and potential perilous waters for members.

I don't think imagic was attempting to do so (baiting), but seems some others kinda ran with it. Hey, they're human, and some moderators are more tolerant than others here, at least so it would seem on this thread.

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So I'm curious, does Emotiva rescind the added cost now that the tariffs that were supposed to take effect are now on hold?
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So I'm curious, does Emotiva rescind the added cost now that the tariffs that were supposed to take effect are now on hold?
Hard to say. It’s always possible China will still impose retaliatory tariffs of their own or make it where costs of goods get slapped with some other price increase. These trade disputes often turn into tit for tat games.

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Weird, literally days after saying they have to raise the price over "tariffs", they announce and start selling a new $800 monoblock.... its almost like they knew they had to raise their prices regardless of the tariffs...
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More like assembly, raw parts for all this stuff is still coming from China one way or another. Unless, as you point out, you are a global corporation that can afford to pick and choose the country that you open a factory in. But I doubt even those big mfgs. are agile enough to move the entire production capacity out of China immediately, so unless they really anticipated this, I'm not sure how insulated anybody is. I literally do not know, I haven't read that much up on it.
China devalues its currency to offset tariffs and has. Perhaps Emoriva has other issues. BTW-- looking at the end of the article, a lot of unaffected stuff and a 5% increase in the face of a 25% tariff aginst 2% inflation indicates....almost an imperceptible price increase.

Chinese tariffs have been in place since mid 2018. Nothing has really increased in price because of it. Including any and all raw material effects. Meanwhile the Fed has taken in 60 billion extra dollars from companies like Nike. Boo hoo.

My early 2018 GE washer has a new model that is in fact 20 bucks cheaper as an example. Remember the concern about the cost of steel/metal and chinese parts.

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Under its domestic manufacturing initiative, the company is moving as much manufacturing as is “practical” back to its production facilities in Franklin from China, Laufman said. U.S.-made products will include all of the new products being announced in the next three to six months. By the end of this year, Laufman expects half of its revenues to come from U.S.-made products, rising to 70 percent by the end of 2016.

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I think many Americans trapped in a psychosis of consumerism and who have an obsession with free market efficiency forget the fact that there are more important things to humanity than acquiring goods for the lowest bidder...

The "Trade War" that the United States government is doing is a defensive response to decades of WTO violations that the whole world including the EU is aware of but are afraid to do the right thing and act because their constituency favors cheap goods over principles.

From an economic perspective of the US, the progressive idea that cheaper foreign goods increases the purchasing power of Americans has been a colossal failure as experts are now agreeing that the unsustainable wage loss from moving said goods production overseas outweighs by a long shot any of the intended benefits of taking advantage of cheaper foreign labor. These tariffs are simply the start of a long term process of reversing the economic mistake that has been suppressing American wages and job availability for almost 2 decades now.

But the reality is the world economy is extremely flexible. Other foreign investors will fill the vacuum in China left by American based businesses leaving, supply chains will move, and you'll still get your goods at reasonable prices as there are other cheap labor markets out there such as India and Africa.

Overall I believe this is a positive move for the world because it will show the Chinese economy that they need to go from being a producer to being an innovator if they want to truly compete with American enterprises and become a more advanced and developed country in the process.
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