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Why is amazon’s bitrate for cd quality 850kbps when a cd is 1411kbps and their hi res bitrate 3730kbps when hi res is 9216kbps?
How are you measuring these values? Do you have some software that performs this function, because if true then we're being misinformed by Amazon.
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Why is amazon’s bitrate for cd quality 850kbps when a cd is 1411kbps and their hi res bitrate 3730kbps when hi res is 9216kbps?
Depends on what audio quality you are setting the app at, I'm getting 24/192 on the Denon Status
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Depends on what audio quality you are setting the app at, I'm getting 24/192 on the Denon Status
Is that upsampling? I can get 24/192 by setting my Mac's Audio Mini app at this value for a Charlie Byrd HD stream of 16/44 as recommended by Amazon.

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Is that upsampling? I can get 24/192 by setting my Mac's Audio Mini app at this value for a Charlie Byrd HD stream of 16/44 as recommended by Amazon.
I set it up for best quality, Amazon or their source is doing the upsampling,but many of the tunes are coming in at 16/44,but many have been at 24/192 also

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To clear things up, im not measuring. im just going by what theyre advertising.
frequency x bit depth x channels = bitrate. so for a typical CD @ 16/44 the bitrate is 44100 samples per second x 16 bits per sample x 2 channels = 1,411,200 bits or 1411.2 kbps. amazon advertises 850 kbps for their cd quality recordings. math does not add up.
math does not add up for their hi res music either.

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To clear things up, im not measuring. im just going by what theyre advertising.
frequency x bit depth x channels = bitrate. so for a typical CD @ 16/44 the bitrate is 44100 samples per second x 16 bits per sample x 2 channels = 1,411,200 bits or 1411.2 kbps. amazon advertises 850 kbps for their cd quality recordings. math does not add up.
math does not add up for their hi res music either.
Right, I get it. I've not seen that Amazon claim re the kbps', but it certainly doesn't ad up. One of the on-line publications (like Computer Audio) will probably do an in depth review some time soon, when hopefully all will be revealed.
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To clear things up, im not measuring. im just going by what theyre advertising.
frequency x bit depth x channels = bitrate. so for a typical CD @ 16/44 the bitrate is 44100 samples per second x 16 bits per sample x 2 channels = 1,411,200 bits or 1411.2 kbps. amazon advertises 850 kbps for their cd quality recordings. math does not add up.
math does not add up for their hi res music either.
The article mentions average bitrate.
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The article mentions average bitrate.
Looking at the site:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/b/ref=nodl_...ode=3022219031

The information says:
“Amazon Music HD offers lossless audio in two quality ranges: HD and Ultra HD.
HD tracks have a bit depth of 16-bits, a minimum sample rate of 44.1 kHz (also referred to as CD-quality), and an average bitrate of 850 kbps. Ultra HD tracks have a bit depth of 24 bits, sample rates ranging from 44.1 kHz up to 192 kHz, and an average bitrate of 3730 kbps”
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Looking at the site:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/b/ref=nodl_...ode=3022219031

The information says:
“Amazon Music HD offers lossless audio in two quality ranges: HD and Ultra HD.
HD tracks have a bit depth of 16-bits, a minimum sample rate of 44.1 kHz (also referred to as CD-quality), and an average bitrate of 850 kbps. Ultra HD tracks have a bit depth of 24 bits, sample rates ranging from 44.1 kHz up to 192 kHz, and an average bitrate of 3730 kbps”
A quick look at Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC
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“Audio sources encoded to FLAC are typically reduced to 50–70% of their original size, similar to other lossless formats, though the final size depends on the density and volume of the music being compressed, and, with some music, file size can be reduced by as much as 80%.[3]”
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A quick look at Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC
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“Audio sources encoded to FLAC are typically reduced to 50–70% of their original size, similar to other lossless formats, though the final size depends on the density and volume of the music being compressed, and, with some music, file size can be reduced by as much as 80%.[3]”
Well that's cleared that up then! TBH I'm enjoying excellent CD quality sound via iPhone & Audeze IEMs, which I was never able to get from my own ripped to ALAC albums.
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One thing I know for sure is I'm signing up for the trial today and with Amazon in the game, HD music streaming just got its largest-ever platform. Will Apple make its move next?
Hopefully Apple will make a move by improving the capabilities of the iPhone itself. While listening to Ultra HD tracks through the Amazon Music Unlimited app, I tapped on the Ultra HD icon and was informed that my iPhone (8 Plus) isn't able to play at the highest resolutions available on the service, only up to 24-bit/48 kHz (the track was 24-bit/96 kHz).

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Hopefully Apple will make a move by improving the capabilities of the iPhone itself. While listening to Ultra HD tracks through the Amazon Music Unlimited app, I tapped on the Ultra HD icon and was informed that my iPhone (8 Plus) isn't able to play at the highest resolutions available on the service, only up to 24-bit/48 kHz (the track was 24-bit/96 kHz).

Any way around this?
I played Neil Young's Cinnamon Girl UHD (24/192) on my Samsung Galaxy S9+ and it's limited to 24/48.

The FTV Stick 4K is limited to 16/48 which I find disappointing.

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Hopefully Apple will make a move by improving the capabilities of the iPhone itself. While listening to Ultra HD tracks through the Amazon Music Unlimited app, I tapped on the Ultra HD icon and was informed that my iPhone (8 Plus) isn't able to play at the highest resolutions available on the service, only up to 24-bit/48 kHz (the track was 24-bit/96 kHz).

Any way around this?
Hmm. Found this article, which helps somewhat. I am indeed using the Lightning-to-3.5mm adapter. I'll give it a try at home with my EarPods and see if that helps. Maybe the "device" which was the limiting factor was the adapter? I don't plan to buy an external DAC. I'm sure high-res sounds better, but on the headphones I currently have, not *that* much better to be worth it. Time to upgrade headphones, too? LOL...

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Hopefully Apple will make a move by improving the capabilities of the iPhone itself. While listening to Ultra HD tracks through the Amazon Music Unlimited app, I tapped on the Ultra HD icon and was informed that my iPhone (8 Plus) isn't able to play at the highest resolutions available on the service, only up to 24-bit/48 kHz (the track was 24-bit/96 kHz).

Any way around this?
You can play Hi-Res audio from your iPhone via the lightning to USB camera adapter and an external DAC. I have been doing this with Tidal MQA into Chord Hugo DAC and also my own music from Onkyo HF Player.
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How to stream HD or Ultra HD to HEOS?

Does anyone know how to stream HD or UHD quality to HEOS in a Denon or Marantz receiver? When I connect to the receiver (HEOS input) through the Amazon Music app on my iPhone, it only plays back in 256kbps AAC. However, if I open the HEOS app on my phone, and select a song from Amazon Music HD, then it shows as playing the HD or UHD version.

The HEOS app is pretty lousy and very difficult to find music (I can't even find playlists that I've created) so I'd prefer to use the Amazon Music app and just connect to HEOS on my receiver directly from that app instead but I can't figure out how to get it to stream HD/UHD that way.
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Does anyone know how to stream HD or UHD quality to HEOS in a Denon or Marantz receiver? When I connect to the receiver (HEOS input) through the Amazon Music app on my iPhone, it only plays back in 256kbps AAC. However, if I open the HEOS app on my phone, and select a song from Amazon Music HD, then it shows as playing the HD or UHD version.

The HEOS app is pretty lousy and very difficult to find music (I can't even find playlists that I've created) so I'd prefer to use the Amazon Music app and just connect to HEOS on my receiver directly from that app instead but I can't figure out how to get it to stream HD/UHD that way.
Make sure you have updated the heos app to latest version older version does not work for hidef. I'm using with a pair of heos speakers in my bedroom and with my Marantz av7703 in my home theater working great on both.
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Make sure you have updated the heos app to latest version older version does not work for hidef. I'm using with a pair of heos speakers in my bedroom and with my Marantz av7703 in my home theater working great on both.
I'm pretty sure I'm on the latest firmware on my receiver. It's able to play HD/UHD from Amazon Music but only if I connect to it using the HEOS app on my phone. If I use the actual Amazon Music app and connect to the receiver's HEOS, it won't play in HD/UHD for some reason even though it's still using HEOS on the receiver.

I'm just trying to get away from having to use the HEOS app on my phone as it is pretty horrendous, but it seems like that's the only way to get Amazon Music HD/UHD to play through HEOS unless I'm just doing something wrong with my Amazon Music app and how I'm connecting to HEOS through it.
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Comparing mobile data usage. Why is Amazon Music streaming using much more data than other music services???

I've been using Deezer High Quality music streaming (CD quality) for over a year. With Deezer, my average daily mobile data usage is 60-95 MB. My average monthly mobile data usage stays under 3 GB. I've also used Tidal HiFi for a time and had similar data usage.

I used Amazon HD music streaming for several days and my average daily mobile data usage was 600 MB. In three days Amazon HD music used almost 2 GB.

Why is Amazon HD music streaming using so much more data than Deezer HQ?

In this article ... https://www.muvi.com/blogs/compariso...ming-apps.html ... the write up tells how the bitrate affects data usage and that can be calculated. So two different sites streaming the same bitrate of music should have equal data usage. But this article has a graph showing data usage for several different streaming services. This graph shows Amazon Music (non HD) as using much more data than other sites, even Tidal HiFi. For some reason this article never explains this. In the following comments section, people ask about this disparity but no one answers.

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Amazon announced a new speaker today that does Atmos and 3D audio, the Echo Studio: https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/25/2...features-price

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As impressive as the 3D audio experience is, it’s tempered by the fact that there aren’t a lot of songs available in the format yet. Amazon claims that there are currently about 1,000 tracks available in 3D audio on its service, and recording labels and studios are working to master as many songs as they can in the format. But as anyone familiar with various high-end audio formats like DVD Audio and Super Audio CD knows, impressive sound quality doesn’t mean much if the music you want to listen to isn’t available in that special format. Amazon may have the backing of studios and labels at the moment, but given that the pool of customers that can actually experience 3D audio is limited to owners of one smart speaker and a handful of obscure headphones, it’s easy to see the attention and resources of those studios waning in the future.


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Disappointed...

Amazon did not introduce a new Fire TV product today that can fully support Amazon Music HD up to 24/192 (UHD), although I would be very happy with 24/96 and reasonably happy with 24/48. The Fire TV Stick 4K can only support up to 16/48 which is slightly above CD quality.

Is there a device that costs under $150 that I can connect to my Denon 6200 receiver to listen to Amazon Music HD up to 24/96?

If not, I'm going to cancel my Amazon Music HD when the promo is over.
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Amazon announced a new speaker today that does Atmos and 3D audio, the Echo Studio: https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/25/2...features-price
It would be great to access Dolby Atmos music through a streaming service. Another article in what Hi-Fi:
https://www.whathifi.com/news/amazon...th-dolby-atmos
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Amazon did not introduce a new Fire TV product today that can fully support Amazon Music HD up to 24/192 (UHD), although I would be very happy with 24/96 and reasonably happy with 24/48. The Fire TV Stick 4K can only support up to 16/48 which is slightly above CD quality.

Is there a device that costs under $150 that I can connect to my Denon 6200 receiver to listen to Amazon Music HD up to 24/96?

If not, I'm going to cancel my Amazon Music HD when the promo is over.
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It would be great to access Dolby Atmos music through a streaming service. Another article in what Hi-Fi:
https://www.whathifi.com/news/amazon...th-dolby-atmos
The Verge article only mentioned music in 3D audio but didn't specifically say it was Atmos. But Dolby just tweeted this:
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The secret is out! Dolby Atmos Music is coming to the Echo Studio and Amazon Music. Listen to your favorite song In Dolby and feel like you're hearing it for the first time.


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The Verge article only mentioned music in 3D audio but didn't specifically say it was Atmos. But Dolby just tweeted this: https://youtu.be/Wy4KqZYaj3c


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https://www.globenewswire.com/news-r...-Music-HD.html
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Is there a device that costs under $150 that I can connect to my Denon 6200 receiver to listen to Amazon Music HD up to 24/96?...
I haven't read into all of your situation so I apologize in advance if my suggestion already has an answer.

How about your desktop computer or laptop? Yes they cost more than $150 but you probably already have one or two.
I use an HDMI cable to connect my desktop computer to my Onkyo AVR.

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I haven't read into all of your situation so I apologize in advance if my suggestion already has an answer.

How about your desktop computer or laptop? Yes they cost more than $150 but you probably already have one or two.
I use an HDMI cable to connect my desktop computer to my Onkyo AVR.
Thanks for your suggestion.

My Win 10 Pro desktop is too far away from my Denon 6200 and my Acer laptop totally crapped out over a year ago.

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Why is amazon’s bitrate for cd quality 850kbps when a cd is 1411kbps and their hi res bitrate 3730kbps when hi res is 9216kbps?
Ever heard of Flac? Roughly 2:1 lossless compression.

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I've been using Amazon Music every day for many years and just heard about this yesterday.


I mostly listen at my PC which is connected to my Integra DTR 40.2 through HDMI, but I'm limited to 48K (see attached)


I'm using a Gefen HDMI Detective Plus EDID emulator - should I have higher bandwidth options available and does it seem likely that the Gefen is limiting access to those?

I do run 7.1 but the AVR seamlessly goes into stereo or multi channel mode based on what the PC is sending.


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I've been using Amazon Music every day for many years and just heard about this yesterday.


I mostly listen at my PC which is connected to my Integra DTR 40.2 through HDMI, but I'm limited to 48K (see attached)


I'm using a Gefen HDMI Detective Plus EDID emulator - should I have higher bandwidth options available and does it seem likely that the Gefen is limiting access to those?

I do run 7.1 but the AVR seamlessly goes into stereo or multi channel mode based on what the PC is sending.


Thanks
Looks like that is correct according to the manual. 48KHz is the highest its capable of.
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