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I'm guessing that sweep of your center was with Dirac?
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So what exactly does the 88BM do?
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This super advanced device is now aware of this thing called 'bass management'.

Good going, Dirac!

They got all these fancy buttons, knobs, whistles, etc. Just what every boy with a undiagnosed case of ADHD needs.
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I'm guessing that sweep of your center was with Dirac?
Yes, that was with Dirac on. It's pretty good without, I assume since it's in a pink flufffy baffle wall, but it's not as good as with Dirac.

My mains are much better with Dirac in their wide position. The difference between dirac on/off isn't as great with the mains closer together.
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I'll post some screenshots of what the 88 BM looks like.
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It gives you all of the function of a minidsp combined with the dsp on the inuke. It's awesome for a guy like me that loves to make tweaks while listening to music, and also for finding the best settings for movies - I do leave these alone once I figure out what I like.

Other than being a tweaker's dream (yes I know how that sounds ) it is nice to have BM selectable AFTER the auto EQ. I believe that this is the only auto EQ that does it that way (well, of the affordable auto EQ options).

So, you can take a look at your Dirac results on the omnimic or REW and if it's not real smooth at the crossover, you can choose whatever crossover you want, with whatever db slope you want.

I'd have been willing to pay for a stand alone inuke dsp unit, so this is like that but with more options.


















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So I am seeing with these settings that you basically run all satellite speakers full range on your AVR and let the dirac unit do ALL the bass management for you? That's pretty cool if so, provided almost all popular units do a pretty poor job (technically none at all) of proper bass management...

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So I am seeing with these settings that you basically run all satellite speakers full range on your AVR and let the dirac unit do ALL the bass management for you? That's pretty cool if so, provided almost all popular units do a pretty poor job (technically none at all) of proper bass management...
Yes, that's how you do it. Set all speakers to large and set the crossover for the sub in the AVR to as high as it will go and then use the 88 BM to set all the crossovers.
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So did it also do a good job integrating your front subs and nearfield? Or did you have to do some tweaking with the delays?
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So did it also do a good job integrating your front subs and nearfield? Or did you have to do some tweaking with the delays?
I have to use a minidsp 2x4 that I already had to account for the difference in distance between the nearfield and the up front subs. What I did was run a Dirac calibration with just speakers and front subs, near subs were off to establish the delay of the front subs. Then I ran dirac calibration again with the speakers and near sub, front subs off to get that delay.

Then I added the difference in the delays to the near sub in the 2x4. I ran omnimic sweeps with all subs on, speakers muted to see if that delay did indeed give the smoothest response and it did fortunately.

Here is the all the subs together, no speakers and no smoothing.

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I see. So does your AVR only have one preout for your subs? I have two preouts on mine and I use one for the front and the other for the nearfield. My audyssey can't seem to get the distance right for the NF, so I end up playing with the delay in the inuke and checking with REW until it's the best. I read mtg's multiple sub integration, which is awesome, and I plan on following it when I finally get all my treatments done and subs in their correct homes. I'm just wondering if there was a better trick to integrating the NF a little quicker.
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I see. So does your AVR only have one preout for your subs? I have two preouts on mine and I use one for the front and the other for the nearfield. My audyssey can't seem to get the distance right for the NF, so I end up playing with the delay in the inuke and checking with REW until it's the best. I read mtg's multiple sub integration, which is awesome, and I plan on following it when I finally get all my treatments done and subs in their correct homes. I'm just wondering if there was a better trick to integrating the NF a little quicker.
Yes, I only have one sub out. I have two, but it's just an internal Y splitter so I can't do different distances from the AVR.

Does Audyssey do better on the NF distance if you turn off your other subs? If so, you could use those numbers in the the 2x4 like I did using Dirac.

I have been avoiding Matt's sub integration because I hear it hurts the brain trying to figure it out!!
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It tests the subs one at a time, and still does a bad job. I'm guessing it has to do with the direction the sub is facing? Hell if I know.
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It tests the subs one at a time, and still does a bad job. I'm guessing it has to do with the direction the sub is facing? Hell if I know.
Nah, It simply just doesn't take into account the way the two subs interact with each other. It optimizes both individually, but never measures how they sound when played at the same time. It's dumb and pointless, BUT it is very nice to have the ability to set two different distances...you just have to do the leg-work yourself basically.

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Nah, It simply just doesn't take into account the way the two subs interact with each other. It optimizes both individually, but never measures how they sound when played at the same time. It's dumb and pointless, BUT it is very nice to have the ability to set two different distances...you just have to do the leg-work yourself basically.
ahhh man...where's the dislike button? I guess I just gotta do the work.
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Decided to pop in the Metallica S&M DVD for some reason. Wow. I haven't watched this in at least 10 years, maybe more. I wore it out when it came out in 99, along with the DVD Cunning Stunts that came out a couple years before that.

I have seen it so many times.... but it never sounded anything like this. Amazing. Sure, it's lame that the picture is dvd and in 4:3 aspect ratio for god's sake, but they had me at The Call of Ktulu, and I can't stop listening. The symphony fits so well, even on the songs from albums I don't love. Hero of the Day for example - that French horn part is just a perfect match to the music and was a big goose bumps moment.

It's sad Michael Kamen died, he really did an amazing job writing all the music for the orchestra part.

2:20 AM and I can't keep myself from starting up disk 2.
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decided to pop in the metallica s&m dvd for some reason. Wow. I haven't watched this in at least 10 years, maybe more. I wore it out when it came out in 99, along with the dvd cunning stunts that came out a couple years before that.

I have seen it so many times.... But it never sounded anything like this. Amazing. Sure, it's lame that the picture is dvd and in 4:3 aspect ratio for god's sake, but they had me at the call of ktulu, and i can't stop listening. The symphony fits so well, even on the songs from albums i don't love. Hero of the day for example - that french horn part is just a perfect match to the music and was a big goose bumps moment.

It's sad michael kamen died, he really did an amazing job writing all the music for the orchestra part.

2:20 am and i can't keep myself from starting up disk 2.
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When you get bored, you should post your center channel sweeps with Dirac and without. I know sweeps don't always correlate with better sound, but I guess I just like graphs...
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Oops, sorry JD... I get sidetracked with changing stuff all the time and forgot all about it, I'll try to do better.


Question. I like using velvet all around my screen, including below it down to the floor. The problem is that I since I have my speakers behind the screen I don't want any part of the drivers covered by velvet on the L and R main speakers by the velvet. Is there a material out there than is AT but dark like velvet? If not... I may have to rethink this whole put the speakers behind the screen thing.
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Don't sweat it. What I really want to know is how hot does DIRAC run the bass on their normal target curve. If you run a sweep on your center, does the bass match the sweep of the LFE? or is the LFE 10db hotter than the center?
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Oops, sorry JD... I get sidetracked with changing stuff all the time and forgot all about it, I'll try to do better.


Question. I like using velvet all around my screen, including below it down to the floor. The problem is that I since I have my speakers behind the screen I don't want any part of the drivers covered by velvet on the L and R main speakers by the velvet. Is there a material out there than is AT but dark like velvet? If not... I may have to rethink this whole put the speakers behind the screen thing.
I use Millibel™ AT black backing from Seymour AV for black panels on the left and right of my screen. Mine are just velcroed at the top and free hang. You can get it 98" wide so it can go from floor to ceiling. I also used it at RMAF last year to create a screenwall in the room. The top and sides in this picture from RMAF are Millibel.

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Don't sweat it. What I really want to know is how hot does DIRAC run the bass on their normal target curve. If you run a sweep on your center, does the bass match the sweep of the LFE? or is the LFE 10db hotter than the center?
Good question, now you have me curious...
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I use Millibel™ AT black backing from Seymour AV for black panels on the left and right of my screen. Mine are just velcroed at the top and free hang. You can get it 98" wide so it can go from floor to ceiling. I also used it at RMAF last year to create a screenwall in the room. The top and sides in this picture from RMAF are Millibel.

Ok thanks Michael, I'll look into it.
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Congrats on the sale of your speakers.
and now the quest for something new. This is where Audiogon is you friend and could be fun in the process. You can buy and sell multiple speakers, set them up in your room and find that perfect pair for music. For instance, this pair of speakers from Dunlavy, which is supposed to have bass down to 20hz and below.
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/fu...akers-23114-va

Or perhaps, something a little different and still in the horn theme, like JTR's

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/fu...8705-austin-tx
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Congrats on the sale of your speakers.
and now the quest for something new. This is where Audiogon is you friend and could be fun in the process. You can buy and sell multiple speakers, set them up in your room and find that perfect pair for music. For instance, this pair of speakers from Dunlavy, which is supposed to have bass down to 20hz and below.
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/fu...akers-23114-va

Or perhaps, something a little different and still in the horn theme, like JTR's

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/fu...8705-austin-tx

Thanks! It is cool to have options and it's tempting to try out some speakers I've never heard before. I think I'm itching to get the 4722's behind the screen though for a proper movie setup and then down the road I might start experimenting with different movie speakers.

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LCR WITH 1899s.
Very curious about these, however... I was just texting with Gorilla today and he said he's done with DIY speakers because when the time comes when you want to try something else you can't sell them. Makes sense.
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Listening to some 2 channel music on my stop gap 5.1 system. LCR are volt 10 LX and surrounds are eD cinema's with upgraded CD (can't remember which one).

Music is sounding.... ok at best. However, I haven't run Dirac yet so that could help.
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Just don't sell them. Problem solved. I see your point though, especially if you suffer from upgraditis occasionally. But if you think about cash lost after changing speakers, you will probably only have $3k in those 1899s. How does that compare to your 212 and 215 sale?
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5200 so I have some walking around money.
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Did somebody mention the JBL 4722's?..
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Listen to the new Metallica album yet?

Did Dirac make 2 ch any better. Listening to CD1 for the 2nd time today. If I can stay up will try CD2.
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