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post #1471 of 1626 Old 03-26-2017, 01:32 PM - Thread Starter
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Interesting... Okay, so you used black staples and then directly stapled into the ceiling every 4-6 inches across. I assume the same length-wise too? Like a new line in 4-6 inches. Do you see it hang down at all, or is it pretty taunt on the ceiling?
Velvet is awesome isn't it! It soaks up the light like kitty litter. About a year ago, I became almost obsessed with seeing how good I could get my PQ, and did about 95% of my room in velvet. It was pitch black! Haha. The PQ looked amazing, but my audio suffered tremendously. So I took that down and am now running more of a traditional setup with AT fabric, etc. It was fun though!

Yes, black staples (well, normal staples spray painted black) every 4-6 inches but remember I did the tacks first to get it started. You have to pull pretty hard to get rid of any wrinkles and the staples will pull out more easily than the tacks so that's why I tacked first and then stapled.

I haven't noticed a difference in the audio... I would think the velvet would only affect very high frequencies though? Is that what it sounded like to you - like the reflections of the very high frequencies were muted a little bit?
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Yes, black staples (well, normal staples spray painted black) every 4-6 inches but remember I did the tacks first to get it started. You have to pull pretty hard to get rid of any wrinkles and the staples will pull out more easily than the tacks so that's why I tacked first and then stapled.

I haven't noticed a difference in the audio... I would think the velvet would only affect very high frequencies though? Is that what it sounded like to you - like the reflections of the very high frequencies were muted a little bit?
I didn't notice a difference in audio at all. In fact, mine improved some...but I also added some additional treatments at the same time.

When I had my room calibrated after installing the velvet, my calibrator thought the room sounded fantastic.
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Yes, black staples (well, normal staples spray painted black) every 4-6 inches but remember I did the tacks first to get it started. You have to pull pretty hard to get rid of any wrinkles and the staples will pull out more easily than the tacks so that's why I tacked first and then stapled.

I haven't noticed a difference in the audio... I would think the velvet would only affect very high frequencies though? Is that what it sounded like to you - like the reflections of the very high frequencies were muted a little bit?
Okay, I get it. Thanks. That's a good idea. I remember I thought about that for a while. I ended up doing wood frames, the stapling the velvet around (like speaker grills) and then screwing it into a piece of wood that ran perpendicular to the joists. And yup, exactly I could hear the high frequency's not being absorbed, so the clarity (in my opinion) wasn't as good. You have a killer system, I bet it sounds amazing!



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I didn't notice a difference in audio at all. In fact, mine improved some...but I also added some additional treatments at the same time.

When I had my room calibrated after installing the velvet, my calibrator thought the room sounded fantastic.
Interesting... That's awesome! Yeah, I wish it was the same in my room... I loved what it did to the picture quality.

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Get two of those and just cut the plugs off the stock fans and heat shrink them onto the new fans after cutting off some slack. Disconnect the smaller fan on the side of the board and electric tape the connector to the fan to secure it and button 'er back up!
Ughghg, totally spaced and ordered one fan Guess I'll pay shipping again

So Brandon you did this on your IPR7500 yes? I know these class D amps run super cool. I did wire up the one fan and plugged in to compare to the stock loud as heck fan. I would say it puts out like 30% tops of the air flow the stock fans do. But we also really use like 15% or less the capacity of these amps probably 96% of the time.
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You trading out the cv5000 for an IPR7500?
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You trading out the cv5000 for an IPR7500?
I could be wrong, for some reason my memory thought he had an IPR7500 then sold it. If you mean me I have only ever had the Crest PL 7.5 Amps, same exact amp as IPR7500 besides slightly bigger internals I believe...
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Ughghg, totally spaced and ordered one fan Guess I'll pay shipping again

So Brandon you did this on your IPR7500 yes? I know these class D amps run super cool. I did wire up the one fan and plugged in to compare to the stock loud as heck fan. I would say it puts out like 30% tops of the air flow the stock fans do. But we also really use like 15% or less the capacity of these amps probably 96% of the time.
Even for a full length concert disc in your room at reference you aren't going to see any issues. No they won't be cooling as fast as the stock fans. but they do enough to suffice for sure.

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Yea, no cv5000 for me either homey. I've had this Crest 7.5 for a couple years now. Came from a sanway clone previous to that. Now have the Bosso amp but it's up for sale on the classys.

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Even for a full length concert disc in your room at reference you aren't going to see any issues. No they won't be cooling as fast as the stock fans. but they do enough to suffice for sure.







Yea, no cv5000 for me either homey. I've had this Crest 7.5 for a couple years now. Came from a sanway clone previous to that. Now have the Bosso amp but it's up for sale on the classys.


Yea I like the Crest, seemed like the best choice for woofer duty with price and actual power it outputs. I do wish I would have considered the Crest CC series though. Def like those specs for mains...

I have the one new fan plugged in then used a D battery powered little 4 inch fan to cool other side and tried to get it to heat protect but couldn't. With "Bass Boosted" music on YouTube. House was making noises, wife was getting worried lol.


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How close do you sit to that gigantic screen?
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How close do you sit to that gigantic screen?
My eyes are 10 feet from the screen. It doesn't seem that big - unless - I get busy and don't have time to watch a movie or tv for a week. Last night was the first time I watched something for over a week and the screen seemed huge! In a good way though, I like that immersed feeling at the expense of other aspects of the image.

To see a difference with 4K disks over blu ray I have to sit in the front row. Even then it's tough to tell on a lot of them and in the back row (17 feet away) I can't tell at all between 4K and blu ray.
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Carp has his MLP at that "just on the edge of being uncomfortably close" seating distance. Mix that and his bass system and movies can be pretty intense!

It's perfect.
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I have a couple friends that NEVER sit in the front row, so I know it's too close for some.

I actually preferred Derek's front row too to his back row seat spot seat, even though he was (I say was, he recently moved) 8 feet from 130 inch wide screen in the front row.
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I was motivated to post this in another thread (ahem... I'm pretty bored ) because I was thinking I didn't have post of the progression of my room over the last 10 years, so here it is. I'm more satisfied than I have ever been... and I really think I'm going to be done... at least for a little while.



Here is the room 10 years ago... ahh I don't miss the baby monitor days....

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2009:












2011 is when the madness began.

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to this: Yep, a JTR Captivator.









And that year also added a projector and bought a second Captivator:












2012:



Sold Maggies and bought eD's, and also sold the Caps and bought Submersives - lateral move for sure, I was curious.







Random picture from 2012, comparing Submersives and Archaea's Captivator Pro's:







Also 2012. I got the chance to take home a demo pair of the original 212 Noesis. Big mistake. I had to have them.








Random pic of comparing 212's to Archaea's 228's (first pair ever made).







2013 went with 8 subs.








Random pic comparing 4 of my sealed to Archea's 2 Captivator Pro's:








2014 bought JTR 215's for mains and finally got an AT screen:











2015 Nearfield Sub:













Went Atmos in 2016, added velvet to the front half of the room:












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Ok I see you started with the old mega TV box on wheels and are now at the Epson 5040, but what did you have in between for a projector?

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Ok I see you started with the old mega TV box on wheels and are now at the Epson 5040, but what did you have in between for a projector?

My first projector was the Epson 8350. For 1000 bucks in 2011 that thing was awesome! I remember trying it out on the wall and immediately deciding that I wanted the largest picture that I could fit on my wall. I was height limited so I went 2:35:1.











The next projector was the Epson 3500, and then the 5040.
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So you sold the JTR 215's for your current JBL's? What made you make the change?

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So you sold the JTR 215's for your current JBL's? What made you make the change?
Yeah I did that last fall, so I had the 4722's with the upgraded CD's at the crawl. I posted this recently in another thread when asked that question:

Long story, to sum it up I wanted to free up some funds to go Atmos. It was really getting the itch for that. At the same time my priorities were shifting from music to movies and I had already compared the 4722's in my room with my 212's a couple years back and I knew that for movies I would be fine. IMO differences in speakers (within reason, the speakers have to have simiilar dynamic capability etc.) are much less important for movies than they are for music. Also I didn't want to move up my AT screen at all to fit the 215's behind the screen.

So, the decision was to go Atmos in the short term with an affordable system and then sometime down the road get a pair of speakers to put out in front of the screen wall for 2 channel music and keep the JBL's behind the screen for movies. That's still the plan but motivation is low because the 4722's with the upgraded compression driver are really damn good, not just for movies but for music too. That said I recently borrowed a friends 210 RT's for a couple months and those little guys are my all time favorite speaker.
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Nice! Looks good Sheldon. I just bought the 5040Ub myself. It is incredible. Blows away my previous Panasonic PTAE8000U and I do not even have it in 4K enhancing yet! Hopefully the new oppo 203 gets here soon!
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Nice! Looks good Sheldon. I just bought the 5040Ub myself. It is incredible. Blows away my previous Panasonic PTAE8000U and I do not even have it in 4K enhancing yet! Hopefully the new oppo 203 gets here soon!
Thanks Dave! Yeah I'm a big fan of the 5040. You can see what 4K enhancement does on regular blu ray. For me it's the difference between having the screen door effect and having it be completely gone when toggling 4k enhancement on and off. Worth the upgrade to the 5040 for that alone.

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Thanks Dave! Yeah I'm a big fan of the 5040. You can see what 4K enhancement does on regular blu ray. For me it's the difference between having the screen door effect and having it be completely gone when toggling 4k enhancement on and off. Worth the upgrade to the 5040 for that alone.

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Are you using the dynamic iris function on the 5040? I was torn between that projector and the Sony 45es. I hated the dynamic iris on my 8350 as I could hear it and see the picture dimming and brightening so I always had it turned off even though the black levels were better with it on.

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Are you using the dynamic iris function on the 5040? I was torn between that projector and the Sony 45es. I hated the dynamic iris on my 8350 as I could hear it and see the picture dimming and brightening so I always had it turned off even though the black levels were better with it on.
I hear you, I hated it on the 8350 too so I never even tried it on the 3500. I never really used it on the 5040 until I tried Dave Harper's settings. Once I tried it I've used it ever since because it's so much quicker than the 8350 was and I can't hear it from my seat.
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I hear you, I hated it on the 8350 too so I never even tried it on the 3500. I never really used it on the 5040 until I tried Dave Harper's settings. Once I tried it I've used it ever since because it's so much quicker than the 8350 was and I can't hear it from my seat.
How close are u to the projector? Mine is directly above my head, maybe 4ft above me. Can u hear the iris that close? How about the fan? The fan on the sony 45es is silent. I used to be able to hear the 8350 fan while watching movies which annoyed me.
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I was motivated to post this in another thread (ahem... I'm pretty bored ) because I was thinking I didn't have post of the progression of my room over the last 10 years, so here it is. I'm more satisfied than I have ever been... and I really think I'm going to be done... at least for a little while.
Here is the room 10 years ago... ahh I don't miss the baby monitor days....
Great post Mr. Darwin sir.
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How close are u to the projector? Mine is directly above my head, maybe 4ft above me. Can u hear the iris that close? How about the fan? The fan on the sony 45es is silent. I used to be able to hear the 8350 fan while watching movies which annoyed me.

When I'm in the front row I'm 7 feet away from it. I can't hear it at all in eco and medium. On high it's easy to hear if you are listening for it and if there is no volume from the system. In the back row I'm real close. anywhere from 2 to 4 feet depending on where I am on the couch. I still can't hear it on eco, and I can hear it with no volume from the system on medium.

I use eco most of the time. Lately I have used Dave Harper's settings for UHD disks which includes using high but it still doesn't bother me because I can't hear it when there is content in the movie.

I had the JVC rs500 in the room and I want to say the fan noise was pretty similar? It's been a while though so I could be wrong about that.

Since you are used to a completely silent fan, you may not be happy with the fan on the 5040 unless you are going to use eco all the time - which is a good possibility since I think your screen is smaller than mine?
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Thanks Dave! Yeah I'm a big fan of the 5040. You can see what 4K enhancement does on regular blu ray. For me it's the difference between having the screen door effect and having it be completely gone when toggling 4k enhancement on and off. Worth the upgrade to the 5040 for that alone.

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Thanks for the settings Sheldon. I know I asked for settings in the Panny 8000 thread before when I was setting up my last PJ and somebody told me that settings will not be the same for all PJ’s as screens and lighting are all different? I do know one thing. I am completely in the dark when it comes to the settings in a PJ or even a new TV. I mean I have no idea what any of that stuff does. I just tinker around a bit. I will see if those settings help me though, thanks for sharing. I know I have a bit of the soap opera effect going on, is there anything to reduce that? I mean I guess that is part of the enhancement but I just hate when it looks to real.
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Thanks for the settings Sheldon. I know I asked for settings in the Panny 8000 thread before when I was setting up my last PJ and somebody told me that settings will not be the same for all PJ’s as screens and lighting are all different? I do know one thing. I am completely in the dark when it comes to the settings in a PJ or even a new TV. I mean I have no idea what any of that stuff does. I just tinker around a bit. I will see if those settings help me though, thanks for sharing. I know I have a bit of the soap opera effect going on, is there anything to reduce that? I mean I guess that is part of the enhancement but I just hate when it looks to real.
Go to frame interpolation on the menu and turn it off! I hate that too and never have it on.

Only use the settings I gave you for 4K disks with HDR. For blu ray, tv, etc. I use bright cinema and don't tweak the factory settings much. However like you say, not all rooms or the same, and even the each projector can be a little different. For the 4k settings start with what I posted and tweak from there.

There is another guy on that thread that has settings for 4K that use bright cinema, I'm going to try those too.
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A friend is doing a HT room and is looking to spend around 150 to 200 per speaker for a 7.1.4 setup. He's not interested in DIY.

Any recommendations at that price point? Anything significantly better if he ups it to 250-300 per speaker? I'd recommend the Macke's or SCS8's to him (he's willing to spend a little more than 150-200 if it's an obvious difference) but he doesn't like the depth of the SCS8's or the looks of the Mackes.

How about these from HSU?

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html

His doesn't care at all about music, just movies. He doesn't turn it up crazy loud at all.

Thanks for any help. My feeling is that the HSU's would do just fine for him but want to double check if there is something else I should recommend to him instead.
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I owned those HSU and loved them, until I put them in a bigger room. How big is his room? When I built the cinema 8's, I moved my HSU bookshelves into my office and they were close to nearfield. Sounded great.
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A friend is doing a HT room and is looking to spend around 150 to 200 per speaker for a 7.1.4 setup. He's not interested in DIY.

Any recommendations at that price point? Anything significantly better if he ups it to 250-300 per speaker? I'd recommend the Macke's or SCS8's to him (he's willing to spend a little more than 150-200 if it's an obvious difference) but he doesn't like the depth of the SCS8's or the looks of the Mackes.

How about these from HSU?

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html

His doesn't care at all about music, just movies. He doesn't turn it up crazy loud at all.

Thanks for any help. My feeling is that the HSU's would do just fine for him but want to double check if there is something else I should recommend to him instead.
I did a 7.1 theater a couple of years ago with the HSU HB-1's and a VTF-15 subwoofer. It wasn't a very big room. The speakers sounded ok for mains, but weren't as good for surrounds and were a pain to mount (and extra expense). The owner built a new house last year and we put in a complete JTR system including dual Orbit Shifters LFU's.

If you want something easy to install that matches the sensitivity of the HSU, check out the Definitive Technology AW6500. They make good surrounds and Atmos speakers for a budget setup. The price is at the very bottom end the price point. Let me know if you want to listen to one.

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