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Day two

This was suppose to be the easy part, place board on the wall, have someone to help you to keep it level and screw away, boy was I wrong

Get a 2x6, trim the 2 (1.5") into 1.25".
Done
Double check where the studs are before pre-drilling the 2x6, and cut the piece of lumber to length.
Done

Now the easy part, drill 12, 4" long screws through that 1.25" board, 3/8 or 1/2" of drywall and through a 2x4.
Should be easy, Not.
I went through 10 or so screws before giving up.

The problems when using 4" screw and 2.5" drill bit for pre-drilling, it does not work.
Solution, go shopping for a 4" long bit, if such a beast exist, I could not find one
The only one I could find that is 1/8' was 12" long.

So I use that and mark the 4" length point is.
Got them all into the wall now, but was still not a breeze.

Tomorrow, the bar holding the screen.


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Day #3

Installing the bar was suppose to be easy sailing

On post # 61, I said
"After using a 3/16" meatal bit to pre-hole for the 3/8" (after lots of double check upon more double check, to make sure everything align perfectly).
The holes were made on the top of frame, now the question was, will my 3/8" tubing fit? Yes, so far so good
Second check, do my holes align with the wheel holder? Another yes
So a this point, I glue the tubing into the wheel system."

And
"Next step was to install those;
https://www.rona.ca/en/spring-toggle...&utm_source=cj
I was going to use a jig saw (the 3/8 hole does not account for those little pieces sticking on each side), but could not find my blades
So thinking outside the box, I try to use the 3/16" drill bit to make the hole bigger on the front and back of the screen (to accommodate the space needed for those little gizmo, and facing the proper way).
After 40 minutes on the first hole, I decided to use the 3/8" bit instead, it still took 10 minutes or so per hole until the toggle can fit nicely in
This was the most critical part of the project, and must say went very well"

Wrong, it fit perfectly except that I install the wheel system facing the wrong way and extremely
Called my-self every name in the book.
How do I attack this problem?
One solution would be to put an 1" spacer, leave the bar loose and install the wheels facing backward
Another solution was to remove the wheels and let the toggles fall in (Big possibility of something raddling inside the frame during heavy bass moment).
Did not care for either solution at all, so went to have a coffee and part of a cigar, to cool off and think

After a few moments, I decided to use google as a tool to look for some picture of the Carada frames.
What I saw remind me of when I put my frame together, if apart, it is allow.
Went downstairs, put the top of the frame apart and yes if I remove the toggle, I can get them out
Did that.
Went back to store to buy new ones, why screw around for $3.00, and 25 minutes drive.

So at this point, I reinstall the wheels (facing the right way).
And then another snag
After measuring and drilling, I had to remove the holding gizmo and move them a 1.5" further to the right to be able to close and open the door on the left of the theater

Did that (very hard when you are working by yourself, and keep every thing level).

All done now, and work nice and smooth

In two weeks, I will paint in black the board holding the screen, since you can see part of it.
Just hope to find a paint, that you only need one coat.

Today, it was a 5 hours day and could have been 3.5 hours for my mistake, that should not have Happen
But was worth-it, this new sliding system work so much better
The only problem, it is rubbing a little, on my DIY Bass Trap.


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In my last post.

I mention that I was going to paint the board , but since you can only see 1.5".
I went and got 15 foot of 2" black Velcro.

I will just use the soft side, this will absorb any light and will match the top of the screen
Also the self adhesive, will make the task easier and less messy. Only for the bottom part (beyind the sliding bar), as you can see from those pics, you can't see -it. The wooden part is totally hidden by material panel that will be hung in front.

A couple pictures, to show the sliding system for the screen. A new panel with black material, will be install after, to hide the sliding system. Since my Bass Trap, broke on me, while trying to re-install it by my self.





Pictures of the new panel will be added, on page 4.


Friday, I received 4 of these;
https://www.svsound.com/products/prime-elevation

Operation Atmos/DTX:X is officially started


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Just a follow-up


The mounting wall bracket, ceiling for my case for those speakers;
https://www.svsound.com/products/prime-elevation are finally mounted

A couple from the end result, showing the Left Front from a back viewing, and the Left Back one.





One of the Right Rear/front one.


And last, this is the from the front Left, with extra light (the room is much darker) for the picture.



Will eventually post better picture, until then, this give an idea of my current set-up

All are facing the MLP at 45 degrees from the back and front pair of speakers.
Since, I was using only two holes instead of four.
I went with two lag bolt (1/4 x 2") instead of screws, a little overkill but better be safe than sorry
I also use the soft side of some Velcro on the four end to remove any chance of vibration.
For the angles from front to back at the MLP position ears.
I end-up with, 49 degrees for the front, and 51 degrees for the back , for the distance from front and back to the MPL (45 is the magic #, but the acceptable range is 30 to 60), the speakers are facing the magic number of 45 degrees.


Distance from the side wall is .6 of the total distance from how wide your room is (according to Atmos, anything between .5 and .7 is within range), down the middle.

Next step, fishing the wires in the ceiling, and this will be a challenge
Edit; now done, as you can see on the pictures on this edited post


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Second year Anniversary today, for my little Buddy.




Still thinking of You
These eyes are the same, as the first day I saw you.
You look like were going to going to be so evil, instead You turn out to be such a sweat cat.
I will never forget the day, you try to save a gold fish

Your little sister, is still a brat and trying very hard to help me forget, She even ask for belly rub now
And your big brother is still doing fine, and did not change

See You, in a year, my little friend and very much miss You!


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Three years now, since your passing

Mommy and I, still miss You very much, and I look at picture every time we go to watch a movie, but is not the same without You!
Your big brother and little sister are doing fine.
See you in a year my little friend.


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All the speakers wires for the ceiling are in place
Once I receive my grommets to cover the holes, and put the wires through the grommet.
I will install the 4 Elevation speaker, for ceiling duty
Turn out very good, all the mount for the speakers are facing the MLP position, and very close to the best angle for the front ones and back ones according to Atmos instructions.
And only took 5 hours to fish those wires

And since I was at it, I also fish the new HDMI cable, for the future up-grade of a 4K projector.

The next step, after putting the soft side of the Velcro on the board holding the screen, now I need to get another amp for those 4 ceiling speakers.


Edit, speakers are up, not easy when you work alone
Edit #2 , pics can be seen on one of my previous post (#64)



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Since, I need another amp, to power my 4 new speakers for the ceiling.
(If you look at post #2 , picture #7 , you will see that I have no space for that extra amp)

Now how do I know if the second 12 volts trigger, did it's job to turn that second amp On
In one of mine sleepless night, I came out with this idea
Buy a couple of these;
https://www.primecables.com/en/p-317...FQ65wAodeUsPEw
and a couple of these:
https://www.primecables.com/p-331053...vory-monoprice
and one optical cable, tested and work if looking strait at it.

You put one end of the optical cable, mounted strait in front of the power light of the amp, then use the mount plate for a finish product where you want-it in the wall of the theater
Now working on something like a lenses, to diffract that light to be seen from any angle.

I love projects like those
While this project is now done, it did not work very whel
So I came-up with something different, pictures on page 4, this work very good


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Well the full 7.2.4 system is now in action, and calibrate, sound great.


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Can you please post some pics of your SVS Elevation speaker install?
I'm planning to buy 4 SVS PE speaker for 7.1.4 setup.
I've a similar room size and want to get and idea on how to mount them on ceiling. Thanks in advance.
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Can you please post some pics of your SVS Elevation speaker install?
I'm planning to buy 4 SVS PE speaker for 7.1.4 setup.
I've a similar room size and want to get and idea on how to mount them on ceiling. Thanks in advance.

Unfortunately, no pictures yet.

Still trying to figure-out on how to do it, using a URL site.
All my previous pictures, were from the days that you could upload directly to AVS Forums, from your own computer file.
No longer available

But feel free to quote me or PM me.
I can try to help, and would Love to do so.
Edit, lots of new pictures now.


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Can you please post some pics of your SVS Elevation speaker install?
I'm planning to buy 4 SVS PE speaker for 7.1.4 setup.
I've a similar room size and want to get and idea on how to mount them on ceiling. Thanks in advance.

Here's the closest thing, I can do right now.
For the distance to be install from the front and the back, I did this, within a few degrees (depending where the ceiling joist was [mine are running left to right, when looking at the screen]).


pic:2


For the distance from the side wall, I use their formula of;
The distance from center to center of the ceiling speakers, should be 0.5 to 0.7 of the width of the room, mine are a very close to 0.7
Will edit, once I find the diagram.
Cannot copy and paste the diagram.
[PDF]Dolby Atmos® Home Theater Installation ... - Dolby Laboratories
This link, bring you to the pdf file, you just need to download-it.
They are on page 8, 9 and 20, for the diagrams of the width for your room, and angles.

To angle the speakers toward the listening area, what I did was using only two holes of the mounting bracket instead of four (but use small Lag Bolt instead of screws [will let you know on how to remove any potential vibration problem later]).
Using a combination of Top right/Bottom left, Top left/Bottom right and so on, to achieve the combination I wanted.


But as mention, those are the way my ceiling joist run, if your run toward the screen, just run a few diagram on paper until you figure out, "what work for you".


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Another test (done when I was trying to post new pictures, since then, many pics did change throughout this thread).



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It work, ^^^

Since it was just trying to post a picture, to see if I finely figure out to post one.
I choose a picture, that show if You want to make Fancy Cable inside your walls, the outside can still look good

Need to work on the sizing
Will add a few pictures in the future.


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Can you please post some pics of your SVS Elevation speaker install?
I'm planning to buy 4 SVS PE speaker for 7.1.4 setup.
I've a similar room size and want to get and idea on how to mount them on ceiling. Thanks in advance.

Got some now.


Look at edited post #65 from this thread.
Sorry for the long wait, just finally figure out how to post pictures, using a URL site.


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Other pics to show the Elevation speakers in place, and some overall new set-up


View from the rear, for the left side







From the rear, right side




One view, from the front


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The new amp (model 5000) on the right side, for atmos duty, beside it's big brother (model 7700) on the left, below the new AVP AV7702mkII.


You can also see some of the cooling fans, the control unit and 3 of the dictated circuits on this picture (one 20amps [for the 7700 Amp] and two 15 amps, one [for the OPPO BD player/AVP/cooling system], and one [for the 5000 Amp]).





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Man, I LOVE the star wars theme!


About the Atmos upgrade, I'm very curious, do you have any plans to lower the side/rear surrounds a bit to get some more vertical separation?
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Man, I LOVE the star wars theme!


About the Atmos upgrade, I'm very curious, do you have any plans to lower the side/rear surrounds a bit to get some more vertical separation?

Thanks for the compliment


Funny thing about the Star Wars theme.
I name my theater after a Star Destroyer, and did the room way back before Star Wars, became all the rage again
I found the name in book and like-it, it was the second in command after the Super Star Destroyer, only to become the command ship, once the Super Star Destroyer, was destroyed. in Episode VI


For lowering the side and rear surrounds, not at the moment.
They were install using the Dolby recommendation in the days, of when 7.1 came available, and work very well with atmos
Always feel like, I am in a perfect bubble of sound, with real atmos or DTS:X or their matrix.


Maybe one day, but it if ain't broken, why fix it, since it would be a lot of work without knowing the end result


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Funny thing about the Star Wars theme.
I name my theater after a Star Destroyer, and did the room way back before Star Wars, became all the rage again
I found the name in book and like-it, it was the second in command after the Super Star Destroyer, only to become the command ship, once the Super Star Destroyer, was destroyed. in Episode VI


For lowering the side and rear surrounds, not at the moment.
They were install using the Dolby recommendation in the days, of when 7.1 came available, and work very well with atmos
Always feel like, I am in a perfect bubble of sound, with real atmos or DTS:X or their matrix.


Maybe one day, but it if ain't broker, why fix it, since it would be a lot of work without knowing the end result


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Yeah I feel you about the "before it was cool again", I've been a star wars fan my whole life, my parents took me to see ep IV in the theaters when I was still too young to remember.

The special effects and story line when I was a kid were groundbreaking and unparalleled.

About HT, my wife wants to move in the next year or two and we've already discussed that we're not buying or building a house without a basement suitable for a dedicated theater and to be honest, a gray and black star wars / marvel theme is kind of where my head is at for design so please don't be mad if I appropriate some of your design ideas haha.

Does the room look as blue in person as it does in the pics or is that a projector reflection off of a gray surface? I have already begun prepping my wife's expectations for ours to be black&gray with perhaps blue and red design features.
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Yeah I feel you about the "before it was cool again", I've been a star wars fan my whole life, my parents took me to see ep IV in the theaters when I was still too young to remember.

The special effects and story line when I was a kid were groundbreaking and unparalleled.

About HT, my wife wants to move in the next year or two and we've already discussed that we're not buying or building a house without a basement suitable for a dedicated theater and to be honest, a gray and black star wars / marvel theme is kind of where my head is at for design so please don't be mad if I appropriate some of your design ideas haha.

Does the room look as blue in person as it does in the pics or is that a projector reflection off of a gray surface? I have already begun prepping my wife's expectations for ours to be black&gray with perhaps blue and red design features.

Look like we are about the age, I was around 14 and it made a big impression on me.
So much I took the Metro and the Bus 6 time to see it.


Copy as much as you want, it is a form of flattery
If you like the Star Destroyer and the Darth Vader face, here's where got them from, fast service, cheap shipping even in Canada and super well pack.
https://www.fathead.com/star-wars/
The bigger one require two people to it, just need some patience to remove the small bubble of air as you go.

In reality, the blue is darker, to see the true color or close to it, look at the pictures from the first post, the reflection were from the camera flash on the newer ones, as the previous were done with a long exposure and no flash.
Another thing you should know about the paint, Use a Flat paint, Not a semi-gloss or gloss one.


When watching a movie, the room is very dark, you only see the screen


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A few more pictures on the install for the SVS Elevation speakers


First work with the mounting plate diagram, to figure out all potentials of the different 45 degree angles, for all four speakers.
Since I was going to use only two Lag Bolt for each mounting plate (the outside diagonal lines represent the ceiling joist, and the one in the middle should be the center of the joist).





Same diagram with a hole cut for the mounting plate





On the ceiling, to give an idea, even with a bad picture





Mounting plate in place, and the hole cut to fish the wire, and wire is now in place





One more picture with the grommet in, to show the glue need to cure over 48 hours period (patience can be your friend).





End result of the Left Front speaker install, same procedure for the other 3, just different angle to work with, and this where taking a few hours spend working on the diagram pay off for figuring out all potential angles, paid off.


One more piece of information, due to the angles, and only two holes could be use to secure the mounting plate instead of four. I use two lag bolt instead of screws.

A lot more work;
-First pre-drill (after checking that I was in the center of the ceiling joist).
-Prep the mounting plate with some heavy felt, to remove any vibration potential for the two holes without the lag bolt.
-Then use a ratchet to secure the lag bolt (very hard for the last half or so inch, need to be very tight).


-And last but not least, when screwing the mounting bolt for the mounting bracket on the speaker itself, I put a couple drop of Blue Lock Tight ( any tread sealer will do, as long you use the Blue one), reason been Blue, can be break easily, the Red one is Permanent and if needed to be remove, you will end damaging the speakers).
-I also put a drop or two, of the Blue type on the treads of the 5 way binding post, for the speakers wires, this way nothing will get loose over time, due to vibration (tried to use Banana Plugs, but not enough working ceiling clearance, so bare wires I went).


More work, but those speakers Will Never fall down

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Other pics to show the Elevation speakers in place, and some overall new set-up


View from the rear, for the left hand side



From the rear right hand side





A couple view from the front




Hi Darthray,

I m Miguel from Portugal , and i really like very much your Home Theater,,, i was following your instalation because i also decided on the SVS prime elevation for the atmos .

Are you happy with the speakers and with your placement ? On the last 2 days your pics from them have disapear , can you post again or send me please ([email protected])? I trying to find out the pest poistion to put them following your pics .

Best regards from Portugal
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Hi Darthray,

I m Miguel from Portugal , and i really like very much your Home Theater,,, i was following your instalation because i also decided on the SVS prime elevation for the atmos .

Are you happy with the speakers and with your placement ? On the last 2 days your pics from them have disapear , can you post again or send me please ([email protected])? I trying to find out the pest poistion to put them following your pics .

Best regards from Portugal

Hello Miguel


Thanks for the compliments, and also pointing out to me, that the pictures no longer show-up.
I lost many of them


It seem to be a problem with the host site, when logging-in, I got this notice;


"postimg.ORG domain is locked by Registry, no prior notice.
While we hope to resolve the issue, we chose postimg.CC as our new home.
Please update codes embedded in your websites."

Since it is where my pictures are, I will not be able to repost or send you the pictures
I will work in the future to fix this problem (also hoping they do resolve the problem), but it will take me some time.


Once done, I will reply through this site, and quote your user name, so you get notification through your e-mail.
I am glad that some were using my theater thread as a tool, to help with installation, and Yes very Happy with the end result for look and sound


Ray

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Hi Darthray,

I m Miguel from Portugal , and i really like very much your Home Theater,,, i was following your instalation because i also decided on the SVS prime elevation for the atmos .

Are you happy with the speakers and with your placement ? On the last 2 days your pics from them have disapear , can you post again or send me please ([email protected])? I trying to find out the pest poistion to put them following your pics .

Best regards from Portugal

The pictures are now back


Best of luck, for your install


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Since I am moving into 4K/UHD.


Keeping my Theater page up to date.
The projector and player, have been change in my first post with all my equipment's.


Installing the new SONY player, went well, except for doing the settings.
But finally figure out what I was doing wrong, for not getting Atmos.
Player is a go.


The projector, is schedule to be here tomorrow.
Today I tried to remove the old one of the sliding and lock system.
Took me a few hours, to go back and forward to town.
After 6 years, I forgot that I needed a special Allen key set, one with a hole in the middle for security.
And only one place had a kit, since I could not find the small Security Allen key that was provided with the mount.


Hopefully tomorrow, re-installing the projector, and doing the settings will go well.


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The projector did got deliver here today


Re-installing the bottom part of the mount to it, was a breeze.
Looking a the chassis, it look exactly as my older one, also same bolt for mounting at the same exact positions.


Due the weight of this projector, around 40 lb, working by myself.
I could not lift and align the mounting slot of the bottom part to the top one ( the mount have a sliding system that is very tight)


So after a few hours of frustration, I went to a bar next door.
Found two big fellow, ask them if they would like to earn a couple beer each, for a 5 minutes work that needed to be done Now.
So they came with me in my car (2 minutes drive), and no, I was not drinking at all.
The install took two minute, those two guys did the lifting, and I did the alignment and lock-it in place.
Drove them back to the bar, bought them each a couple beer, and everything was done in less than 10 minutes


Now I will see how the settings on the projector, and re-adjust the angles on the mount go tomorrow.
The mount angles for tilt, side to side and..., are all out of wack.
The projector is showing an up-side down picture that is way out focus, the small manual that did come with-it is not helping at all, so is the pdf file I found on line been very small to read.
So mostly lots of fishing in the dark.
Fix the focus first, then read all menus up-side down, and go from there.


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To my pleasant surprise, doing the basic set-up on the new projector, was very easy and fast.
While at first, looking at a picture that was up-sided down, and way out of focus, due to using a ceiling mount.
Once I figure out how, to do the focus, it went very fast.


Since I am good at reading up-side down and reverse.
I quickly change the original front table setting, to front ceiling, and the rest was a breeze.


Wish changing the my Universal programable remote would have been the same.
Removing the previous Oppo player to the new Sony, went fairly well.
Did not change the projector, since I only use this remote to turn it On and Off, and have the same signal as my previous one.
The big problem, is trying to make the remote learn again the volume control, while under the Sony player, for the Marantz AVP.
Either it jump by 5-6 Db, or very slow to respond, still lots of work on this one, so far, 3-4 hours


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Damn Darthray, I have been lax in looking at peoples system. Yours is really nice. I like your equipment, the room and the theme. I heard Aperion speakers a long time ago at an audio show and I really liked them. Now that you have Atmos, I am sure it sounds even better. Congrats on a great system.
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Damn Darthray, I have been lax in looking at peoples system. Yours is really nice. I like your equipment, the room and the theme. I heard Aperion speakers a long time ago at an audio show and I really liked them. Now that you have Atmos, I am sure it sounds even better. Congrats on a great system.

Thanks


I remember your system.
Also a nice one!


Atmos added a new dimension for the sound bubble, very glad I did-it, even if it took me a long time.
And now, that have a 4K projector, movies also look much better, should have done this one also sooner.


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Thanks for the nice words about my system.
I am trying a little bit to get the Atmos feel. I am getting Focal Sib Evo Atmos speakers. They are a regular speaker with an up firing driver. So I will have 7 speakers with 9 drivers. It won't be a "traditional" 7.1 system because I don't have rears. I will have wide speakers that will have the Atmos driver. No matter what, adding wides will be a plus but I do hope the Atmos of the ceiling will make a difference also. My friend says that he has done the add on type and he was pleasantly surprised at how good it sounded. I am hoping for the best. I sometimes do things differently and I am sure that people are wary of the upfiring, reflecting style. But I am willing to give it a shot.

Your system, again is really great. I love your equipment and that Starwars theme is awesome. Keep on enjoying it.

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