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A little bit of both.

I've long had solid extension down to the upper single digits. Even with my previous dual LLT system. The sealed system does require some boost to make it flat though. For a while I was really pushing it with ~15dB of boost! Enough to make it flat to 5hz but... I actually didn't like it. Sure, it was "cool" for those effects but a lot of the time the system's tone was just too heavy. I didn't enjoy the sound and it was wasting so much amplifier headroom. Decided to take off some 6dB worth of boost and left it there. Rather have 6dB of extra headroom everywhere than some extra ULF "awesomeness" sometimes occasionally rarely. And there is where I have left the FR for the bass. Mostly...

In an ideal world (system) I'd like to have the system flat to 2-3hz or something but in this case I compromised some for more overall SPL and that I enjoy (and paid a f**k ton for in sweat, blood, tears, time and money).
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I hear ya brutha. Ok...you can pile on now Luke.
Hey!

I never saw this post. Sorry, man.

Yeah....about that quoted post. I still have extension to the single digits. They are just a bit lower in intensity than the rest of the bass. Still present, definitely. Just doesn't sound as badass to say I'm down 6-8db. Whatever.
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I never saw this post. Sorry, man.

Yeah....about that quoted post. I still have extension to the single digits. They are just a bit lower in intensity than the rest of the bass. Still present, definitely. Just doesn't sound as badass to say I'm down 6-8db. Whatever.
No Worries. I'm with you on this. Lost my good mid bass because of chasing the ULF extremes. Everything you said is dead on. I stopped using Dynamic EQ and everything is back to normal and it sounds a ton better.
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BTW - if you are curious about the material, contact SeymourAV and request a sample. They will send out a rather small one for free (I think) but you can get a 24"x24" one for like $10-20.
Hey Scott, I've been trying to find the answer to this lately with no luck and I imagine you might be one to know--was Seymour screens started by that guy that had the epic thread for his garage home theater (main picture always seemed to be that clown fish on the screen) where he completely built his own steel-framed curved screen? edit: in case anyone else was curious about this, it was SMX screens "Sandman's theater" build thread. Apparently the guy was a crook and took off with a bunch of money that people gave him for order deposits. The build thread has also been gutted. Damn shame, all of that.

Been trying to find that thread lately but not having any luck (though I wouldn't be too surprised if he took it down seeing as it started a screen company yet gave everyone all the info they needed to build their own). Want to look into how to build a 4-way masking system and thought he might have info on it.

Also, six overheads to four... interesting. I finally went from .2 to .4 and I'm finding various pro/cons for both. I'd like to think .6 would be all pros and no cons, but I suppose we'll see when we get a true (and affordable) .6 pre-pro offering (don't let us down Emotiva!!)

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Hey Scott, I've been trying to find the answer to this lately with no luck and I imagine you might be one to know--was Seymour screens started by that guy that had the epic thread for his garage home theater (main picture always seemed to be that clown fish on the screen) where he completely built his own steel-framed curved screen?

Been trying to find that thread lately but not having any luck (though I wouldn't be too surprised if he took it down seeing as it started a screen company yet gave everyone all the info they needed to build their own). Want to look into how to build a 4-way masking system and thought he might have info on it.

Also, six overheads to four... interesting. I finally went from .2 to .4 and I'm finding various pro/cons for both. I'd like to think .6 would be all pros and no cons, but I suppose we'll see when we get a true (and affordable) .6 pre-pro offering (don't let us down Emotiva!!)
Context, Javanpohl. Context.

My 6ch overhead system was derived from post-processing "Scatmos". It's not native 6ch overhead. So it's hard to say "should be all pro's, no con's". It's not a fair comparison Nothing really supports more than two pairs of overheads now. I might like it if it were native.

Moving from 2 to 4 is completely different.


No, sorry. I am not familiar with the thread you are remembering. It's been such a long time. I just know that they SeymourAV guys are awesome and I will continue to purchase from them and recommend them to others.
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Hey!

I never saw this post. Sorry, man.

Yeah....about that quoted post. I still have extension to the single digits. They are just a bit lower in intensity than the rest of the bass. Still present, definitely. Just doesn't sound as badass to say I'm down 6-8db. Whatever.
I may be the odd one here, but I'm actually more impressed by your room than the extension itself, myself I've had to dial back solely because I will have too much interaction from things in the room or the room itself at those frequencies... Currently I've shut off the infra-boost card in my active crossover even.

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I may be the odd one here, but I'm actually more impressed by your room than the extension itself, myself I've had to dial back solely because I will have too much interaction from things in the room or the room itself at those frequencies... Currently I've shut off the infra-boost card in my active crossover even.
The house complains quite a bit, believe me. The real deep stuff causes certain things to buzz, creak or rattle. Higher SPL higher frequency bass does too.

The louder I go the more house noises go with the sound. Ugh. I hate it. I need a concrete bunker for my HT.
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Context, Javanpohl. Context.

My 6ch overhead system was derived from post-processing "Scatmos". It's not native 6ch overhead. So it's hard to say "should be all pro's, no con's". It's not a fair comparison Nothing really supports more than two pairs of overheads now. I might like it if it were native.

Moving from 2 to 4 is completely different.
Yes, I was aware that you were using Scatmos--I didn't think you had the Trinnov Altitude

Did you think going from 2 to 4 was a much bigger difference than 4 to 6?
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Yes, I was aware that you were using Scatmos--I didn't think you had the Trinnov Altitude

Did you think going from 2 to 4 was a much bigger difference than 4 to 6?
I never had just one pair of overheads. I started with six and went to four.

I can tell you that having four is worth it. A single pair only allows stereo overhead imaging. A front and rear pair allows full 360 imaging overhead.


Yes, I'd imagine going to four would be a worthy upgrade. I wouldn't do anything less unless I had no choice.
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With all those pro amps in-room, do you have any issue with fan noise being too intrusive?
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With all those pro amps in-room, do you have any issue with fan noise being too intrusive?
Yes and no.

There are many and they are quite close, only a few feet away. All the amplifiers with fans have been modified with quieter fans but I can still hear them slightly when the noise floor drops to nothing. It's not really an issue as you can't hear them during normal playback.

I can tell when the amps are on from off during pure silence but it's all inaudible when actually listening to anything.
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So Photobucket decided to kick the bucket. Pun intended.

Pictures should work in post 1 and 2 now.
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So Photobucket decided to kick the bucket. Pun intended.

Pictures should work in post 1 and 2 now.
Yeah, photobucket in their infinite wisdom wants $40 a month to allow embedding pics. Horrible business decision. Anyway, what image hosting site are you using now? I'm using flicker now, but don't like their app.

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Trying out Imgur with this set.

So far, so good.
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So far, so good.
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Is this the men's dressing room? Btw, sick FR and TR. I just had to take a quick peek as I'm suffering from riser withdrawal.
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.... as I'm suffering from riser withdrawal.
Watched Skull Island the other night...

Had to turn DOWN the subriser, there was so much TAC-TILE!
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Watched Skull Island the other night...

Had to turn DOWN the subriser, there was so much TAC-TILE!
Hey

I have some questions about the riser. I'm looking into building something like this myself (need to raise the couch as I cant lower my tv). I assume it's a sealed box? How did you figure out the dimensions and drivers (also what drivers did you use?). Why did you choose to go with a subwoofer and not some bass transducers? Would you say it's better than transducers?

Preety neat setup by the way! You inspire me
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Not much activity in here for awhile...I had kinda the same question. If I understand correctly his primary subs are sealed, and so is the riser. I would think mixing these types could cause issues otherwise...

You could go ported and do the same thing but would likely take a larger box or a smaller driver, assuming you wanted to tune it low...
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I'm sure that many of you have already run into this situation as I just have. I was looking at the AVS Forum where analysis is made of equipment and found a list of the equipment that has Dolby Vision or will be receiving a firmware that will update their equipment with firmware. As you can imagine, I was very disappointed to find out the my RX-A3050 will not be receiving a firmware with the Dolby Vision. I went through this same thing in 2015 when I found our that my RX-A3010 did not have the specifications needed to run my equipment with the standards at that time. I spent about $2,000 for the RX-A3010, and then another $2,000 for the RX-A3050. Is there another option so that we poor retired folks don't have to spend another $2,000 for the RX-A3060 or 70? I'm just an old man of 70, but I have not lost my eyesight nor my hearing (yet, no thanks to my wife, children, and grandchildren) and like many of you, I want to have great presentation in sight an sound. I love these new 4K movies, but if they are going to be in Dolby Vision, I'll have to go to Tom Selleck and pull out the equity of my home and use it to upgrade my theater, and no, my children or grandchildren are not going to inherit anything, because if there is any money or property left, my wife and I plan on dying in Tahiti on the beach. (my wife is going to be 69 March 4th and she is still a babe. Did I tell you my eyesight is still good and thank goodness, Viagra is still available.)
Let me know what you all are going to do about Dolby Vision and any other upgrade that we won't get a firmware. Thanks, and the best to you guys. You are the best.
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@jdhelaman it is possible that Yamaha could provide an update to support DV. Although chances are slim, once D+M provides the update for their 2015 we should know yay or nay with Yamaha. If nay, they may lose some loyal customers (a 2015/16 D+M is not too expensive). I moved to D+M in 2015.

Checkout the HDFury AVR Key and Vertex solutions for splitting HDMI and bypassing your AVR for DV. I use the Vertex and it works properly with DV. If you are not aware, UHD Blu-ray players (other than Xbox) already have dual HDMI outs for this very purpose. So you only need an HDFury for devices with one HDMI output like Chromecast Ultra.

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@jdhelaman it is possible that Yamaha could provide an update to support DV. Although chances are slim, once D+M provides the update for their 2015 we should know yay or nay with Yamaha. If nay, they may lose some loyal customers (a 2015/16 D+M is not too expensive). I moved to D+M in 2015.

Checkout the HDFury AVR Key and Vertex solutions for splitting HDMI and bypassing your AVR for DV. I use the Vertex and it works properly with DV. If you are not aware, UHD Blu-ray players (other than Xbox) already have dual HDMI outs for this very purpose. So you only need an HDFury for devices with one HDMI output like Chromecast Ultra.
I appreciate your input. I've looked at the HDFury AVR Key and the Vertex solutions and I would like to know why you chose the Vertex over the AVR Key. The Vertex is about $350 and the AVR Key is about $150. Another issue I am concerned with is, will the AVR Key split the HDMI cable like the Vertex or will I need to buy the Vertex to accomplish using Dolby Vision? I have already seen several 4K Blu-ray Discs with Dolby Vision and Dolby ATMOS. Do you think this is a picture of things to come? Another question I have is, what is D+M? I know it is the initials of two companies that merged, but are they releasing equipment under the name of D+M? Anyway, I appreciate your help in pointing me to another option. It is cheaper to buy the Vertex than the Yamaha RX-A3070, but I am concerned about the technical issues it will take to get either of them running. I've printed out the manuals and hope they will help, but I would appreciate anything else you can do for me. Thanks.
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I appreciate your input. I've looked at the HDFury AVR Key and the Vertex solutions and I would like to know why you chose the Vertex over the AVR Key. The Vertex is about $350 and the AVR Key is about $150. Another issue I am concerned with is, will the AVR Key split the HDMI cable like the Vertex or will I need to buy the Vertex to accomplish using Dolby Vision? I have already seen several 4K Blu-ray Discs with Dolby Vision and Dolby ATMOS. Do you think this is a picture of things to come? Another question I have is, what is D+M? I know it is the initials of two companies that merged, but are they releasing equipment under the name of D+M? Anyway, I appreciate your help in pointing me to another option. It is cheaper to buy the Vertex than the Yamaha RX-A3070, but I am concerned about the technical issues it will take to get either of them running. I've printed out the manuals and hope they will help, but I would appreciate anything else you can do for me. Thanks.
I chose the Vertex because I needed the extra features of the Vertex. I'm not sure you need either HDFury devices. What Dolby Vision sources are you trying to pass? To what displays?
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