A bit of an update here. I've got a few new cool Home Theater things going on. I took some pics but they are pretty crappy from the cell phone (with flash since I still don't have lights put up in my room yet besides what comes from the closet/equipment and PC room and from the hallway when the door is opened. When I get lights, I'll try to take some better pics and get'm posted. But for now, this will have to do
First, I got a new black shag rug that almost covers almost the entire 13'x13' light colored carpet floor. I cut around the chairs since I didn't want them sitting on it and used that to help fill in the very back sides a little bit. All that is left un-covered is a tiny little bit behind the VNF subs right behind the two new chairs.
Wow, it made a real nice difference in the total immersion thing, even with everything else already covered in black velvet. Helped with a little better PQ too. With a bright image on the screen, it would light up the floor with light colored carpet more than I thought it did. I was rolling out a piece of 4' x 13' black velvet when I would take the time to do it, but became a pain in be butt after a while rolling it in and out. It worked great fort he part in front of the screen when I would do it, but if I left it there it would get all messed up and wrinkled by walking on it since my door is up front and have to walk on it to get out. Now with the rug, it can just stay down and no more messing with that
It's pretty crazy how black this rug is in comparison to the SY black velvet. Not quite as ultra black and light absorbing, but I can hardly tell that at all when the movie is going. I can just barely see it if I really try hard during bright scenes. But I sit so close to the screen that I don't really see it anyway directly in front of the screen. Where I am able to see floor is up front on the sides and peripheral version, but not anymore. It just looks pitch black everywhere. I can't really tell where the floor, ceiling or walls begin or end when the movie is going, which is awesome and what I was going for. All I can really see from my peripherals to straight ahead is the screen. Kind of freaky but way cool for immersion. Makes me feel right there in the movie since I sit so close and no distractions. Well, I take that back about no distractions, I can still see my feet, legs and a bit of the legs rests when reclined if I don't cover them up with a piece of black velvet. Sometimes it bothers me and sometimes it doesn't if I don't cover them up.
Here's a couple pics of the black shag rug. I had to take the door and speakers off to get the rug in. As you can probably see, that thing is black, almost as black as the velvet, even with strong light from the hallway shining on both. Plus it's pretty plush with shag and makes the room feel pretty cozy
A cozy black pit HaHa!!
A few pics to show this ...
The rug only goes 10' back form the very front wall, but I've bee using the pieces that I cut out under the chair to fill in the back part where the rug ends in the pic
So next up, I finally got my other Pembroke HT seat moved up into my room to make two
It feels good to finally have two chairs in there, except I'm not quite dead center of the screen anymore for the ultimate sweet spot, but it's still good. Both seats aren't to far off center and is a good compromise to have two still pretty close to center.
I think the new thing I'm most excited about though is what's going on behind and inside the chairs themselves and what it's capable of delivering. And this is, 2 Crowson MAs and 2 Buttkicker LFEs per seat, especially since my old MAs were fixed by Randy. But the real kicker (pun intended
), is that it's like I'm running a total of 8 TT/MAs all together because I connected my two chairs together, instead of just having the one armed seat butt up to the 2 arm seat (not connected this way but looked like it). They are like one now after attaching them and they all get the effect like one seat. Sure the ones directly under each seat have the most effect. But still the ones under the other seat still have a pretty big effect as well, while not feeling lopsided.
What this did was give me loads of headroom (the MA's dont get crazy hot and shut down like they used to with say ...MMFR) and seems to deliver quite a bit more intensity that you can really feel, at about the same levels of intensity with the gain levels lower on the amps if that makes sense. Another words, 8 dialed down to be at the same levels as only 4, while giving a more intense feel. Plus butt loads of headroom. I don't know that just adding more subs (once you have enough to give you the SPL you need without distortion and or compression) really adds a whole lot (if any) to the experience once you've got your VNFs in place, but not he case with MAs and BK LFEs. Or at least the BK's anyway. 4 BK LFE' are pretty insane on there own, and even more so combined with the VNFs and MAs. The synergy that they all three create is like nothing I've experienced quite like this yet. I'm still kind of shocked and amazed at what it's delivering, so I'll try not to get to carried away with my descriptions here, as I'm still somewhat in disbelief with it and on a natural high
I'll just say that the panicky type of feeling that I was talking about the other day that I love (A little more so from the BKs, but MAs as well) is even stronger now with a small army of both under my 2 seats. So other than even more of that panicky, oh Sh**, clinch my butt cheeks together so I don't poop my pants and embarrasses myself, I don't know how else to describe it LOL. I think this is what I've been chasing ultimately for the last 3-4 years when I fist started using VNF subs and MAs and TTs down in my living room setup. Little did I know, I just needed more MAs and more BKs AND a couple of Pembroke HT chairs to house them all in!
Here are few pics to show the setup of the two chairs with an 18" sealed sub behind each chair with drivers about as close as I can get them (about 1" clearance for driver excursion) plus two BK LFEs bolted to the frame and two Crowson MAs per seat. Since the chairs are connected now, I actually preferred the MAa to the outside a little with some experimenting to make it feel more even. One directly under the middle back of seat and the other towards the outside back (still under the metal frame though and not the armrest with plywood in between so it's not magnet to metal).
And a couple shots under the chair from the front ...
Over the last couple of days I've been using Blade Runner 2049, Mad Max Fury Road, Batman vs Superman, and the newest Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales to make my tweaks and use for demo. So far I'm VERY pleased with the config and setup with the Pembrokes.
One thing I forgot to mention, is I think it's mainly the addition of the BKs that responsible for giving me that feeling I that was trying to describe up above. I can't quite seem to get it quite like this with just the VNFs and 4 MAs. Yes it's awesome, but still not quite the same as adding in the 4 BKs to the mix. Maybe adding in 4 more MAs in place if the BKs for a total of 8 MAs would do it. I don't know, but I kind of think not. There is just something about a bunch of BK LFEs in a group that give a certain feel. They are different than the MAs and create a little different type of feel. Sometimes very similar with minor differences, but sometimes a fair amount of difference. Maybe not quite as rigid as the MAs and give more of the trampoline effect and can also kind of give the feeling of going over the top of a Roller coaster and/or when you start dropping down at the tail end of the log ride if you know what I mean. Your stomach kind of drops and you can kind of feel it in your groin and even chest (somewhat sharply in the chest, even though it's not mid bass). Not quite sure how the BK LFEs do this, but I love it. So the two combine and compliment each other very well IMHO.
- I never did try 4 BKs per seat like we were talking about (I couldn't fit them in there), but since my 2 seats are now connected, it's probably pretty similar to having 4 per seat (although I'm sure still not quite as strong). From what I've experienced so far, I wouldn't hesitate for a second in recommending adding an army of BK LFE's under your couch or whatever seating you have now if it can accommodate them. Or a combo of MAs and BK LFEs whenever you can in the future. I don't think you'll be disappointed!!
- so I know you,ve been talking about adding some sealed 18s right behind your seating (I think you'll love what they bring for the party as well) to go with your 4 MAs, but you may also consider adding 4 BK LFE's (2 per seat) if you can make them fit as well for even more insanity if you still feel like you want more. I know personal preference can vary a lot from person to person, so you may not like the feel that they create I the mix, but you may love it. I know your all about the extreme just by looking at your insane Atmos setup
- I'm sure it just doesn't get any more intense than your 24" VNF and 4 MAs when it comes to slam and TR, but just for fun if you ever get bored, you may try it as well with your Pembrokes. They accommodate the BKs very well. The BK LFEs are a little more untamed, unruly, and a bit less refined than the MA's, but have TONS of trampoline type power if you like that sort of thing and combine well with the MAs with some tweaking and integration. Like I was telling Nalleh though, the MA's only may be more your style and you might not care for it if your real used to the feel that the MAs deliver, but might be a fun experiment at some point. The combo does feel a bit different than MAs alone, but a good different, at least to me
It's still fasts, clean and damped feeling (although not quite as hardcore damped as the MAs), but still enough so (to me) and a little more springy feeling which I love, especially on these Pembroke's where their firmness and build seem to be more on the damped side by themselves. Not saying this is bad, I love it ...these Pembroke seats are a TR dream and don't know that there could be much better seat for this. I love'em!!
- not sure how the top of the line Clarks would compare to a MA or MA+BK setup, but I bet they are pretty bad ass if you ever get into those since you wanting a little lower extension from the ones you have now.
I know, this many MAs and BKs per seat is kind of ridiculous, but I'm loving the feel that they can create with these crazy movie soundtracks
For me, it's really adding to the experience and feeling like so much more than just a bunch of extra shake for the hell of it.
So on another note, I got rid of my wire nuts like was suggested and I used crimp sleeves + some electrical tape. Seems to be working great. Ugly but I'll never see them because they are under the chair and blocked by the VNF subs. Now I don't have to worry about them coming loose. Speaking of, I was also using banana plugs for the MAs and BKs. Don't know what ever possessed me to do that instead of just wiring directly into them. A couple days ago two of my BKs banana plugs worked their way out, not surprising since they are all about shake and vibration. Don't have to worry about that now
Here's a pic of one of the massive parallel wirings to the 4 MAs (5 wires in each, one for "-" and one for "+".
So anyway here are a few pics of the room. The first two pics are just awful with the back lighting and cell phone, but will kind of give you an idea of how it looks with a bit of light in there. The last two I took with every thing closed up with flash and is real similar to how it looks (pitch black) with no lights on anywhere and only the screen lit up ...
oooo yeah ..pitch black and immersive yall!!
I've got a few more things I want to do, but getting close to having it completed now!