Updated 6/12 & 26/2019: Part 2 & 3 to last update - added updated FR and final thoughts with BOSS sub riser in the system HERE and HERE
Updated 6/4/2019: Part 1 - Added a new BOSS tactile response riser to my system. LOTS of pics with different versions that I tried...you can find that post HERE
Updated 3/5/2019: Added two more 18" DIY sealed subs, a 3rd seat, and two more Crowson MA's. LOTS of pics ...you can find that post HERE
YES ..I finally got a dedicated room for my Home Theater!! I've always wanted one for as long as I can remember. I previously had my HT setup in the Living Room. I put a lot of work into that setup and had it about as good as I could get it for a living room. My old thread for that setup can be found HERE (sorry all the images on that page are not showing and haven't had a chance to fix it yet)
The new dedicated room!! YAY!!
So here it is:
1400 cuft (13'x13'x8') sealed room on a suspended floor
Epson 5030 Projector
Darbee Darblet 5000
SeymourAV 16:9 120" Retractable AT Screen
KEF Q Series in a 7.1.4 Dolby Atmos configuration
- Q900's (Front - Left, Center, and Right)
- Q100's (Surrounds & Heights)
DIY Stereo Integrity DS4-18's (x4) & DIY Dayton UM22-18's (x2)
Buttkicker LFE (x4)
Crowson Shadow 8 Motion Actuators (x6) - 2 per seat
Buttkicker BKA1000-N Power Amp (x4)
Pembroke HT Design (x3)
GIK corner bass traps in the rear corners floor to ceiling. Front wall covered with 2" Roxul Rockboard 80 and the first reflections on the side walls for the front L,C, and R speakers are done with 1" OC703. Also all walls and ceiling covered with SY Triple Black Velvet + a black shag rug over the light colored carpet (all for video PQ and distraction free viewing, not for sound treatment). To help liven the room back up a little from all the velvet, GIK Alpha 6A's with 2a scatter plates on the back wall as well as 8 GIK Gridfusors - 6 on the ceiling and 2 on rear cack walls.
With my previous setup in the living room, I became a HUGE fan of VNF (Very Near Field) subs + Tactile Transducers and Crowsons MA's. So I pretty much set it up the same way in this new room with a sealed 18" VNF behind each of the two seats and the other 2 sealed 18's Far Field (if you can call them that in this small room), + the 2 BK LFE's and 2 Crowsons MA's per seat as well. No way was I giving these up!!!! I'm still amazed at what subs with drivers facing into the back of your seat as close as you can get them will do for Slam/Impact and Tactile Response when it comes to the bass in movie soundtracks.
Its a pretty small room at around 1400 cuft, but is working out great. I love it and is so nice to finally have my setup in a dedicated room. I pretty much blacked out the entire theater for the best image quality possible with no light reflections. I got the idea from the "Theater Blackout" thread. I'm in awe of what blacking out the room did for the Picture Quality. Contrast, Black Levels, Shadow Detail, and Brightness went way up and helped tremendously compared to what I was used too. Also, it's really cool to have the image look like it's floating in black space. When the movie is going, I pretty much see nothing but Image, which is one of the things I was after.
I set pretty close to a 16:9 120" AT screen, so it feels huge and very immersive. Eyes to screen are about 7' exactly in recline mode. Yes it's breaking the "Rules", but feels just about right to me on the majority of content ....not overwhelming, just IMMERSIVE.
So first up, the room itself. It's small and not the fanciest room ever, but it works. It's quite dark with all the surfaces (ceiling, walls) covered in Black Velvet and the floor covered with a Black Shag Rug, which is fantastic for when the movie is going (most important to me and what I was after), but still pretty dark at other times even with the lights on. It's pretty much a 'Get Down to Business' kind of room and optimized for this. So it makes it a little tougher to see what's going on with everything, but I tried to photograph it the best I could to hopefully give a good idea.
Some fire power behind the seats ..YEAH!!
A shot from the closet where the projector, Amps, and PC are at
Not reclined ..which I never watch movies this way but thought I'd better get at least one photo like this
Here is a shot of the back part of the room with all the surrounds, top front and top rear heights (for 7.1.4 Atmos) with room treatments, plus my little area in the back where I keep my PC, amps, and projector at (which worked out perfectly to give me more throw distance that was needed with my current projector).
I put 3 lights up front that can light the screen and 2 lights above the two seats (1 above each), but had to make Black Velvet blinders to hang in front of front 3 lights so that I can't see the reflections in them during the movie. Having everything else blacked out, this was quite distracting, but this TOTALLY solved the problem.
So I had to take the door of to get the black shag rug in for the final touches in the blackout process, so I took a few pics when I did that that will give another perspective. Also shows how shaggy the black shag rug is. It makes the room feel pretty cozy and really helps finish off the blackout process with everything else covered in SY Triple Black Velvet. It also helped quite a bit with PQ and total immersion from whats on the screen only. I guess I just didn't realize how much a light colored floor can light things up and take away from the visual impact, even with everything else covered in black already.
L,C,R Speakers are behind the drop down AT screen ...
Cozy Black 'Shag' Rug ...and surprisingly, it's just almost as dark as the Triple Black SY Velvet!
FR (Frequency Response)
So in a room this small, I was able to get pretty flat down to 5 Hz, which was cool. A square room made it kind of tough, but with three locations and multiple subs I was able to get a pretty flat response with speakers crossed at 90 Hz
With the MultEQ Audessey Editors App and roll off #2
my FR is pretty flat across the board with that 2k dip - MidRangeComp that Audy puts in (which can be enabled or disabled for any of the speakers with the Editors App). Also I'm running a very slight rising house curve. RED is All Subs Only (because it's so easy to get this reading now since I've switched to HDMI for REW on the mac) then varying sub boosts combined with Left, Center, and Right front channels. I tend to run my subs like the ones with about 12-15db boost above the speakers (with no DEQ) on the majority of movie material.
TR (Tactile Response)
Now for the TR - I'm a tactile junkie (I should probably be in some sort of rehab for it lol). I like a lot of it. Besides the VNF subs right behind the seats with the drivers firing into them, I like Transducers and Crowson MAs as well. I love what they can do all combined together - it creates a pretty darn power synergy, and continues on with the 'Intense' thing for movies that I love and was after. I run 2 Buttkicker LFE's and 2 Crowson Shadow 8 MA's per seat, a sealed 18" behind each seat, + 2 more sealed 18's Far Field (if you can call them that in this small room), plus I'm on a suspended floor. Probably overkill, but that kind of seems to happen around this place. I really like both the Crowsons and the BK's, but for different reasons. So I just run them both! With 2 BK's bolted directly to the frame under the seat, it can give me the feeling of being on a trampoline when cranked up, which I LOVE!! I run and love the Croswon MA's as well. The BK LFE's and Crowson MA's mix very well together IMO, which I think is awesome and can get what each have to offer (a best of both worlds kind of thing).
Here's a few pics of the seats, BK LFE's, Crowson MA's and VNF subs setup
And a shot from the front underneath the seat
A few older pics
So here are a few pics that I took along the way getting the room ready. Since my entire room is pretty much blacked out now with the Black Velvet, it's kind of hard to see what's what going on in the pics sometimes. These show the speakers and locations etc a little better with the walls completely bare before I did any treatments or black velvet. This setup was really fun with only one recliner with the subs surrounding me for a little while. I hit the image limit per post so you can see the images if your interested in this post HERE (sorry all the images on that page are not showing and haven't had a chance to fix it yet)
More Pics and Other Stuff
A little entry way decor and some color. All photo's were taken with my iPhone7
Got Wonder Woman (yup I'm a Gal Gadot fan as you'll probably see) and the Cap standing guard
White Screen shot from just inside the closet (where the amps, projector, and PC are at) behind my two seats
A few Movie Screen Shot Stills ...
..Since I seem to love pretty much all the Marvel movies
..Another ..back corner shot, plus I just thought the image and coloring looked cool
- Love this movie, has fantastic visuals, bass, and it has Scarlet Johansson! I was looking for a still shot capture that was captivating ..I was thrilled when I came across this! This one feels pretty darn cool sitting right in front of it on the big screen and fills up a huge portion of my vision.
- this is one of my favorite moments in the movie and really caught me be surprise the first time I watched it. Since I was'nt ready for it, the bass impact and what happened was so cool!
Yep, more Wonder Woman (she's just so cool, and uh, well ya know ...
- Sitting as close as I do to the 16:9 120" screen (7' eyes to screen when reclined), Tron is a TRIP, especially when it shifts to IMAX full screen aspect! This movie brings the bass too, and is one of my favorites. It really does feel like I'm right there in the light cycle battle. A lot of other movies make me feel like I'm right there as well, but Tron in particular somehow manages to push it to the next level and make me feel even more there, like right there inside the movie experiencing it or something. It's kind of freaky sometimes, but I love it, and is tough to describe they way it makes me feel. It's like nothing I've experienced in Home Theater quite like this before. Besides just being close to a real big screen and no other distractions because of all the velvet blackouts, I really do think its partially the way the movie is filmed (graphics style and editing, etc) with all the NEON colored lights, the way they flow fluidly on the screen a lot of times, along with the numerous silky smooth pans. It all just seems to just add up to that feeling of being right there in it. I think Tron is probably my favorite movie for making me feel this way. And it feels this way in a large majority of the movie, not just the light cycle scenes. The last part of the movie where they are doing a lot of flying is pretty crazy feeling.
- I always love the visuals and all the shiny metal in Transformers
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY II ((3D))
Yup, I'm a big 3D fan as well! This bubble scene is one of my favorites for 3D. It switches to 1:85:1 full screen aspect a lot of the time which works good on my screen (since it's 16:9). The bubbles feel like they are right out in front of me and I could reach out and touch them, or even might float into me! If you look in the bottom right image, it looks pretty crazy. The worse it looks when your 3D glasses are off like that, the better the 3D usually is
Listening Habits and what I tried to achieve with this room and setup
I'm really into and LOVE movies, so I mainly use my system for this only. I've tried my best to optimize this room and setup for such. I watch a lot of movies and also am an avid movie Demo'er (I'm addicted to it, and is a rush for me). A lot of times it feels Euphoric, kind of like a drug I guess you could say. So besides just watching the movies, I like to demo a little bit everyday (if I can fit it in) to get my Home Theater movie and bass "FIX"
These are usually just short sessions and is one of my favorite things to do, and probably always will be. I have all my Blu Ray movies ripped to MKV lossless files (except for the 3D movies) and put on an external drive. I just connect it to my Oppo player, and it works so fast and easy to get to whatever movie and/or section I want when it's demo time. Not the fanciest thing, but works great.
I love intensity and realism when it comes to the Home Theater experience. The more I can feel like I'm actually in the movie experiencing everything, the more I love it. This means video immersion, bass and tactile energy, surround sound, and total envelopment as a whole with no distractions. The blacking out of the room, plus the FarField, Very NearField subs, Crowson MAs and Buttkicker LFEs, 'Big Screen' with seating pretty close for great video immersion, all really come together to give me what I was after. Of course it took quite a bit of fine tuning and experimenting along the way to get it to feel natural, yet still very intense and realistic as well (to me anyway), but was worth the time and effort to get it there.
Also one of the things I love most about the way I have it setup with the VNF (Very Near Field) subs + the small army of BK LFE's and Crowson MA's, is that I'm able to get the kind of Slam/Impact and Tactile intensity from the bass that I crave (pretty extreme intensity sometimes, which I love), even at fairly moderate to low listening levels. At night I can only get away with listening at about -25mv or so (but bass and tactile can still feel pretty intense because of the VNFs, MAs, and BK LFEs, which is way cool and keeps it fun and exciting). During the day I listen louder, but still not at extreme SPL levels. I rarely get over -15 to -10 Master Volume (which can still seem pretty darn loud in this small room), although I do run my subs quite hot most of the time (usually anywhere from 10db to 20db hot, depending on the movie). I can adjust this fast and easy on the fly whenever I feel the need. I feel that the way the bass levels are mixed in some of these movies, sub trim levels just need a little (or a lot occasionally) adjustment sometimes to get the absolute most balanced, clean and powerful sound and feel out of the track. I have no problems doing this, as I'm not really a set a forget it kind of guy anyway (I'm kind of a tweaker by nature I think lol). I'm cool with that, although I know most folks 'are' the set and forget kind. I'm a perfectionist sometimes (or most of the time) when it comes to this stuff (its probably a curse, but I deal with it) and just feel the need to adjust on the fly when need be (quick and easy).
But anyway, what I was trying to get at was that I can achieve the level of bass intensity (slam/impact and Tactile Response) that I crave without having to kill my ears with extreme SPL levels in the process. It keeps movie watching and demoing fun without hurting my ears and hopefully not pissing too many of my neighbors off, and still be able to get what I desire.
The room is really getting there now. It was quite a bit of work and I still have a few things to add (like a few more acoustical treatments and a 4K projector eventually, maybe even a 3rd seat, although a 3rd will be tight in this small room but will put 1 seat back to dead center in the sweet spot for me, instead of having to share dead center and splitting the difference with two seats). It was a LOT of fun getting the room ready and things set up. I'm loving it so far and is everything I had hoped a dedicated room could be. Hopefully I'll continue to enjoy it for many years to come!