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A couple of shots of my Panamorph DCR lens. Some of my guests say its one of the best things I've added in my theater !
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Watched The Greatest Showman on 4K UHD BR last night. Love the room shaking LFE in this movie - especially the opening scene. Looks spectacular on my RS4500 too. These screen shots don't quite do the current picture justice since they are prior to the latest Lumagen HDR dynamic tone mapping -









Great picture, great soundtrack !
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Watched The Greatest Showman on 4K UHD BR last night. Love the room shaking LFE in this movie - especially the opening scene. Looks spectacular on my RS4500 too. These screen shots don't quite do the current picture justice since they are prior to the latest Lumagen HDR dynamic tone mapping...
They may not do it justice but they are enough to convince me that HT is at a state that I would have never fathomed possible.

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Holy Bass traps Batman! You are going all out on the treatments! If you were to recommend a good first step, would you say bass traps over acoustic panels or vice versa?
I think I missed this question. In talking with GIK, since my room is fairly well dampened with velvet curtains and carpet, the recommendation was bass traps with scatter plates - except for the front wall. There they recommended bass traps with range limiters. The scatter plates retain the high frequencies - since I don't need to dampen those and more at this point. So far they are doing exactly what I had hoped - cleaning up the bass. I may have posted this before, but it's a good read - https://ethanwiner.com/basstrap_myths.htm
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Overlord 4K ! This movie looks great, and the soundtrack in the beginning could break your room ! Can't wait to watch this again after I get the rest of my bass traps installed - it will be a good " before / after " test movie.







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I read many years ago (from another company that makes acoustic panels - Ethan Winer), that you can never have too many bass traps. If I add to that "as long as some of those traps have some kind of diffusion or reflection" I totally agree with that position. When I did my room (and used GIK for advice and product), I built bass traps around the room at all four of the wall/ceiling intersections, used GIK corner traps (actually called soffit traps) in the front two corners, and then installed eight 6" monster traps (with scatter plates) on the rear side walls and back wall. In my 4 or 5 theaters, this one really sounds much better than any of the others - and all due to the fact that I was willing to spend the $$ on acoustic treatment. I am also using 7 GIK q7D diffusors on the center of the back wall and at the first reflection points.

All of that to say that I am in total agreement with your acoustic plan. I must add that if some of those traps don't have scatter plates (I see yours do) it is really easy to "dry up the room". Mine is definitely not dry.

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I read many years ago (from another company that makes acoustic panels - Ethan Winer), that you can never have too many bass traps. If I add to that "as long as some of those traps have some kind of diffusion or reflection" I totally agree with that position. When I did my room (and used GIK for advice and product), I built bass traps around the room at all four of the wall/ceiling intersections, used GIK corner traps (actually called soffit traps) in the front two corners, and then installed eight 6" monster traps (with scatter plates) on the rear side walls and back wall. In my 4 or 5 theaters, this one really sounds much better than any of the others - and all due to the fact that I was willing to spend the $$ on acoustic treatment. I am also using 7 GIK q7D diffusors on the center of the back wall and at the first reflection points.

All of that to say that I am in total agreement with your acoustic plan. I must add that if some of those traps don't have scatter plates (I see yours do) it is really easy to "dry up the room". Mine is definitely not dry.

Love what you are doing in your room.
The scatter plates really work to keep the room alive. It's " dry / dampened " enough on it's own. I'll have my last 13 bass traps in 2 - 3 weeks, and that's the end game. I'll give a full report after that.
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Overlord 4K ! This movie looks great, and the soundtrack in the beginning could break your room ! Can't wait to watch this again after I get the rest of my bass traps installed - it will be a good " before / after " test movie.








Great pictures Craig! Funny enough, my wife and I watched Overlord last night. Neither of us had seen it so we were both really into it. The bass was hitting pretty good and there was great surround activity and atmos effects as well. It was a really enveloping experience!
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I had the audio and subs cranked up so loud in the beginning everyone was blown away like the old Memorex ad !


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Yeah, I had it rocking too but my wife made me turn it down a few notches.
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Looks like the rest of my bass traps shipped today - woo hoo !
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Some screen shots from my 122" diagonal 16:9 Cima Neve screen. I need to watch this movie again !
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So what's the name of that movie ^^^ Dawg.

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Brawl In Cell Block 99 !
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I just now added it to my Netflix Queue.

Most Blu-ray DVD's look great with the RS4500.

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I just now added it to my Netflix Queue.

Most Blu-ray DVD's look great with the RS4500.

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Those screen shots are from the 4K Blu-ray.
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I'm not quite at 1700 hours in nearly 3 years. At my current rate of watching my RS4500 ( about 500 hours a year - same as every year since 2003 ), I estimate my RS4500 will lose 10% brightness since it was new - in another 10 years. HA ! I love this projector !

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I think I missed this question. In talking with GIK, since my room is fairly well dampened with velvet curtains and carpet, the recommendation was bass traps with scatter plates - except for the front wall. There they recommended bass traps with range limiters. The scatter plates retain the high frequencies - since I don't need to dampen those and more at this point. So far they are doing exactly what I had hoped - cleaning up the bass. I may have posted this before, but it's a good read - https://ethanwiner.com/basstrap_myths.htm
Hi Craig,
You have been an inspiration to me over the years. Adding a second scope screen has been a huge (literally) upgrade. Thanks (again)
In our set up, I too have been "challenged" to get more even bass response. I started with a huge (read refrigerator size) SVS sub. Even though it had the output and could dig deep, it never sounded quite "right". After reading a paper (could have been Harman audio) on bass propagation, I decided to add multiple subs. I finally settled on 4 different 12" ported subs that average about 500 watts each. Each cone is oriented in a different plane and they are spaced in various locations around the room perimeter. The down side is that it took awhile to get them balanced out and dialed in, but the results are excellent.
Smooth, even response and they blend well with our Salk front soundstage. To capture that "depth charged into submission" vibe, I added Butkickers in the seating.
Probably more trouble than adding bass traps, but like James Kirk says to Scotty "More power!"
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You have been an inspiration to me over the years. Adding a second scope screen has been a huge (literally) upgrade. Thanks (again)
In our set up, I too have been "challenged" to get more even bass response. I started with a huge (read refrigerator size) SVS sub. Even though it had the output and could dig deep, it never sounded quite "right". After reading a paper (could have been Harman audio) on bass propagation, I decided to add multiple subs. I finally settled on 4 different 12" ported subs that average about 500 watts each. Each cone is oriented in a different plane and they are spaced in various locations around the room perimeter. The down side is that it took awhile to get them balanced out and dialed in, but the results are excellent.
Smooth, even response and they blend well with our Salk front soundstage. To capture that "depth charged into submission" vibe, I added Butkickers in the seating.
Probably more trouble than adding bass traps, but like James Kirk says to Scotty "More power!"
Plus, I get to qualify for my AVS Basshead merit badge
So you had the SVS cylinder subwoofer ? I still have two - one on each side in the back behind the seating. But I did the same as you - I added subs on either side of the screen in front two. At first one each SB2000 on either side. Now I have two SB2000's on either side - that is the largest sub that will fit behind the red velvet drapes. I have them pretty well dialed in too, but I'll re-do everything next week after the rest of the bass traps arrive. I get great bass even with those damn Disney movies now !
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So you had the SVS cylinder subwoofer ? I still have two - one on each side in the back behind the seating. But I did the same as you - I added subs on either side of the screen in front two. At first one each SB2000 on either side. Now I have two SB2000's on either side - that is the largest sub that will fit behind the red velvet drapes. I have them pretty well dialed in too, but I'll re-do everything next week after the rest of the bass traps arrive. I get great bass even with those damn Disney movies now !
No, we had one of the original SVS 13 inch Ultra subs. It could shake the windows and the furniture. Now we have a mixed bag of ported models from HSU, Paradigm, and Velodyne. Good response down to about 18 hz. However, the Buttkickers were the finishing "touch" (so to speak). Powerful low bass is good, but the <20 hz (although rare) movies used to scare me. No sense in losing the windows... Now, only the seating vibrates
FWIW, he SVS cylinders always intrigued me. However, they could not pass the WAF muster. The multiple 12 inch ported subs are scattered around under counters and furniture, tucked away. Out of site, out of mind (until the space shuttle takes off...)
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My " Ultra High Tech " Panamorph DCR lens mount system -
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I've got lots of bass traps to install today ! Photos later.
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Almost finished. I have 4 more bass traps to install, but they won't be visible ( pay no attention to that bass trap behind the curtain ). Then I need to re-calibrate the audio - again !
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Almost finished. I have 4 more bass traps to install, but they won't be visible ( pay no attention to that bass trap behind the curtain ). Then I need to re-calibrate the audio - again !
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Looks totally "Awesome" nice job Big-Guy.




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Looks totally "Awesome" nice job Big-Guy.




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My wife is gone tonight, so I'll have time to install the last two I have in the garage and re - calibrate the audio. And run some demos !
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Thanks for sharing your setup Craig. As someone who was fortunate enough to visit, I can say it is truly impressive. I can’t imagine how your bass changes sound, I was so impressed after visiting I went home and tweaked the bass in my system!

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Thanks for sharing your setup Craig. As someone who was fortunate enough to visit, I can say it is truly impressive. I can’t imagine how your bass changes sound, I was so impressed after visiting I went home and tweaked the bass in my system!
It's getting less boomy - but I'll report back after tonight. You gave me that bottle of Buffalo Trace - did you not ? Thank you for that - drank it with the last John Wick 2 & 3 double feature - good stuff !
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It's getting less boomy - but I'll report back after tonight. You gave me that bottle of Buffalo Trace - did you not ? Thank you for that - drank it with the last John Wick 2 & 3 double feature - good stuff !
I did, glad you enjoyed it. I found a source for Blanton's and have a couple bottles now, next time I'll have to bring one so we can be true to the movie! Looking forward to your theater updates.
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Quite interesting how a lot of bass traps ( with scatter plates so as to not over absorb the higher frequencies ) effects the audio in my theater. Dialog is clearer and " crisper " at low or high volume levels. Which is good, since my 63+ year old ears aren't the best. Bass is very even now across all 8+ seats ( 16' horizontally ). Dialog is clearer off axis too. Bass slam hasn't been reduced at all - but for lack of a better term, it sounds less " bloated ". If anything, it slams you a bit harder and faster. I even needed to put Earthquake Putty under the corners of a few bass traps since the slam moved them a little.

Bass " boomy-ness " is gone, whch is good, since it made LFE un-even across the seats.

At this point I can fine tune and calibrate / dial in the audio more when I get some more time.

Hanging the rectangular bass traps across the tall vertical corner was a real pain in the a$$ ! Glad it's done.

I have two more 1' x 4' GIK " Monster Bass Traps " coming tomorrow. They go behind the curtains where you won't ever see them. Then that's it. The end. Fini !
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