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I also forgot about Midway (2019) UHD. Not a great movie but the battle scenes are Atmos heaven...and the LFE kicks butt as well.
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Any live concerts as good as Hans Zimmer Live In Prague?

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Automatic room correction systems, of whichever brand, use microphones that are pointed at the ceiling.


Here’s an oddball,
DEVS (Crosby Stills, Nash & Young)
Ok, its not atmos, but they must have remixed the songs as it sounds amazing.
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I'm a big CSNY fan. Which concert are you referring to?
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I'd suggest you turn the ceiling speaker levels up.

I have upfiring speakers and they sound AMAZING! I get complete backwards, forwards surround as well as up and down coverage.
I love my upfiring as well and all things Atmos. So many with in celing Atmos seem to not like Atmos and yet decry Atmos enabled types.

-The single digits are where the magic lies.....they deliver a 'touch of god' sensation that sometimes makes the hairs on one's arms stand up. It's hard to describe but it feels like you are there in the recording studio with the artist and "feeling" them move as they are playing the instrument. You can't see them, but you can feel them as movements are happening on the floor below you. - trhought
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Your reply reminds me of a response I just gave someone the other day:

The other thing I think people miss the point of is the "object-enabled" aspect of Dolby Atmos and DTS:X. You hear many complain about "not much activity going on up there" when they should be focusing on an expansion of the soundfield as objects can more readily traverse that 3D aural landscape without sounding so "speaker-centric" or specific. This is the ATMOSpheric bubble I like to refer to that gives me such a joy when watching films with this kind of audio mixed properly and done in the right way.

This is what I've always said and it's what I experience with my upfiring or "bounce" speakers that audio/visual people usually dismiss as a "gimmick"... but guess what? IT'S NOT!! If anything, I just don't think people have it set up properly nor are the Atmos upfiring speakers tilted at enough of an angle to project that bubble of sound overhead and around the main listening position (that's why I wouldn't recommend bulit in-atmos modules with left and right speakers as only separates can be angled properly). I just thought I'd throw this direct quote in from page 12 of the Dolby Atmos Home Installation Guidelines as it directly represents my experience as well...

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Well that's it I'm always going to be Atmos enabled with my 7.5 foot celings.

On the ambience front I will say that most of the selections have significant bass posted so far actually have significant bass roll off and I suspect the BEQ approach to restoring this bass would help them tremendously. Bass roll off equals a loss of overall ambience and natural sound.

So I'm going to come out of left field with some ambient faves:
1. Westworld, but upmix the core to Atmos for much better and interesting bass sounds from the music (but do switch back to full Atmos for cowboys and indians shoot em up scenes.)
2. Mary Queen of Scots - the overt effects are things like a bunch of horses galloping down a hill, but the meeting of the Queens has very nice ambience and wind sounds that come out best when your bass is perfectly flat.
3. Khatia Buniatishvili & Zubin Mehta: Liszt & Beethoven 4K, https://www.amazon.com/Khatia-Buniat.../dp/B072BWBWVW, cheaper direct from German Amazon - this one was recorded by Dolby and is a perfect disc for hand tuning all aspects of your system as the orchestral sound makes small changes more readily apparent and we have here a live recording of a live acoustic event rather than movie sorcery.
4. Faves for good off the shelf impact with natural sound and extended sound: Transformers Last Knight (not so much natural), Hunter Killer, Power Rangers.
5. Suspiria 1973 just is astoundingly natural Atmos sound with just oodles of ambience and probably the best in this department by a wide margin. Oh and the HDR is jaw dropping.

-The single digits are where the magic lies.....they deliver a 'touch of god' sensation that sometimes makes the hairs on one's arms stand up. It's hard to describe but it feels like you are there in the recording studio with the artist and "feeling" them move as they are playing the instrument. You can't see them, but you can feel them as movements are happening on the floor below you. - trhought
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I did the Audyssey calibration on the Denon X6500H but wonder if I got the wrong speakers. No way I’️m going to replace them after cutting holes in the ceiling. I need an A/B switch for the ceiling, maybe then I could tell. Maybe my room is too small. I also don’️t have a wall on the left side.
Never let ANY built in calibration determine your speaker levels or distances. They will always be wrong, if even just a little.
Use a tape measure to your listening position and an SPL meter. Also turn off ALL of Audyssey's Volume levelers and limiters.
I use an NTI Audio XL2 that easily performs all the measurements you would ever want from your home theater. It also pointed out errors in the Audyssey cal for distance/delay, level and low frequency flatness. I don’t bother with Audyssey anymore.
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I would recommend Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker and The Lion King.
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Something a little more subtle that really moved me was Bohemian Rhapsody. A very nuanced, inventive use of sound IMHO.
There's a lot of love for Blade Runner 2049 on here and I can't dispute that, but the "original" Blade Runner soundtrack has been a favorite of mine for many years and the new 4k Atmos mix is the best it has ever sounded. I just finished a viewing tonight, and I can't seem to get it out of my head.
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DEVS?
I'm a big CSNY fan. Which concert are you referring to?
DEVS is a series on Hulu by Alex Garland.
The soundtrack is interesting and similar to the movie Annihilation.
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Curious if Audyssey calibration generates Atmos speaker levels that are too low. It does that for my subwoofer levels.
It did for me, increased my levels ~1.5db-2.5db for my Atmos speakers, depending on the media. Some folks I've been told even goes as high as 3.0db. YMMV of course, find what sounds good to you.

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I'm a big CSNY fan. Which concert are you referring to?
Ask TrevEB - he's the one who left out the end marker after the first sentence he quoted from me. His post is here.

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Automatic room correction systems, of whichever brand, use microphones that are pointed at the ceiling.
This seems like over simplification on my part but, it the problem is that the microphone is facing UP, then would facing it toward the screen resolve the problem?

I’ve used a tripod placed between where my ears would be while sitting in our chairs. Not the cardboard thing included with the multi-thousand dollar Denon. 🙄
Results have always left me dubious. I’ll be giving the db meter another go.
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If the mike is a "cardiod" design - which has a sensitivity pattern that looks like a Valentine's Day heart rotated around its vertical axis (with the mike at the indentation) - pointing it at the screen might work. but if it has an omnidirectional (spherical) pickup pattern it won't matter which way you point it, since our ears are forward-facing cardiod in pickup - due to the soft fleshy "ear trumpets" called pinnae that hold up our eyeglasses - which impose a high frequency rolloff on sounds from the rear as well.

That's why I use the automation to tonally-match my speakers (which come from different manufacturers) and principally to time-delay the nearer speakers for a coherent image, but I use my own senses to level-match them.

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6 Underground is a Michael Bay Netflix film with Ryan Reynolds. Great sound throughout and the car chase at the start makes full use of the overheads and surrounds. Don't take the movie too seriously or overthink the storyline and you should have a lot of fun.
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6 Underground is a Michael Bay Netflix film with Ryan Reynolds. Great sound throughout and the car chase at the start makes full use of the overheads and surrounds. Don't take the movie too seriously or overthink the storyline and you should have a lot of fun.
That's the rule-of-thumb for most.

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I enjoy Dolby Atmos, but to me it seems that the movie makers tend to mix the sound with artificially exaggerated sub bass in order to wow the viewers.
I bought a Pioneer Atmos receiver, added two ceiling speakers to my surround system to make it 5.2.1 and used the receiver’s auto calibrate function. The results were a noticeable improvement in sound quality for almost all program content. Very happy with how that worked especially since my living room is quite sonically challenged. If I leave all the sound settings to default and plot the frequency response with a sound meter and white noise source, the plot from 50hz to 15kHz looks like a very scary roller coaster. The auto calibrate did a nice job on improving that with no further tinkering.
My usual audio and visual content sounded great, but when I played the Blade Runner 2049 4K disc, I had to actually go over to my subwoofer and turn the gain knob down about 10dB. The bass was just obnoxiously strong even in scenes with no explosions, gunshots etc.
Kudos to Dolby, and I’m very happy with the technology, but my experience is that some movie producers are abusing their powers.
LFE is quite popular among home theater enthusiasts and sound designers know this. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them do mix their movies hot in the LFE just to generate buzz for their home video releases.

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Yeah my system is -20 max whatever that really is, I'm sure not all systems are the same at that volume level on the AVR. Even -20 you're damaging your hearing and any higher is nuts I don't know how people can stand it.
at -20db, the average SPL should hover somewhere between 60 and 70db. 65db is the SPL of the average conversation. The peaks will be around 85db which is loud, but they aren't sustained so damage shouldn't be much of a threat at that level.

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I've been playing with the dynamic EQ and voume since I got the unit but it's really hard to test as it definitely changes the overall volume like I have to lower the volume after enabling it so it makes it hard to tell what it's really doing. With a default offset I have to drop it like 10-15db.
well the entire goal of Dynamic EQ is to raise the volume of the surrounds (and now also Atmos speakers) so that lower volume effects can still be heard within the sound field. I would recommend to set it at +5db in the offset, that seems to boost them a little without going overboard. I had mine set at +10 and it was making the surround content much louder than the front soundstage. When I set it back down to +5 it sounded a lot more balanced, however there were still moments when it boosted the surrounds a bit too much. If your surrounds are a lot closer to you than your front soundstage, +0 or +5 offset is where you want to be.

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The bigger issue is movies randomly mess with you. Big name studios with Atmos or whatever they'll still just have random scenes that are just super loud compared to everything else and you're constantly monkeying with the volume.
Yep. That's the dynamic range of the soundtrack. Its supposed to be a good thing....its more realistic in that whispers are quiet, conversations are normal volume and explosions are loud. In real life, explosions are VERY loud....I have hearing damage from the military, walking outside without hearing protection when they were firing off the big guns on a ship....BOOM...it literally stunned me, I had to sit down until my head cleared and my hearing returned. The dynamic range in a movie soundtrack is trying to convey this difference, only without the hearing damage. Remember that movie soundtracks have +20db peaks and if your system is calibrated, Reference will be 85db, so volume of -20 (60 absolute) will be 65db (conversation level) with peaks of up to 85db (which is the average level at reference +0)

If you are having trouble hearing the volume of the speakers at -30db, then my suggestion is to lower the ambient noise floor of your house or apartment. If you have fans going and the A/C running and the exhaust over your stove running and the bathroom fans running and the washing machine or dryer going all at the same time, your ambient noise floor is going to be above 40db. Any sounds below this point is going to get lost, and sounds within 10db to 15db probably won't sound very clear as the white noise from all the running equipment partially drowns them out. If you go through your place and turn off absolutely everything that makes noise, you will be shocked at how quiet it sounds and how much clearer your normal listening volume will now sound. Most people just turn the volume up and power through the ambient noise, and that does work, but if you don't want to turn it up....make your place quieter and that will help you immensely.
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bad boys for life isn’t Atmos mix, it’s DTS-X
I just watched it last night, via iTunes. The listing mentions ATMOS and Dolby Vision. Sure enough, when the movie started, Dolby Vision appeared briefly on my TV screen and Dolby Atmos scrolled across my sound bar screen.

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2 others to add to movies mentioned are brightburn and A Quiet Place -
of note if not mistaken Ghost Protocol is not Atmos
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By coincidence, I watched A Quiet Place yesterday, and Brightburn last week. Both have moments when the rear and or overheads are really utilized and make you jump! That's when the Atmos is really fun. Many Atmos tracks don't seem to add much beyond the 7.1 Lossless mixes.
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I just watched it last night, via iTunes. The listing mentions ATMOS and Dolby Vision. Sure enough, when the movie started, Dolby Vision appeared briefly on my TV screen and Dolby Atmos scrolled across my sound bar screen.
That is what is confusing and frustrating. The 4K Disc release got the "Imax Enhanced" treatment which is just HDR10 and DTS:X. Digital code on VUDU got me Dolby Vision and Atmos, albeit compressed.

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That is what is confusing and frustrating. The 4K Disc release got the "Imax Enhanced" treatment which is just HDR10 and DTS:X. Digital code on VUDU got me Dolby Vision and Atmos, albeit compressed.

it wasnt that great if a movie anyway.


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50 posts and no one has mentioned Gravity (Diamond Edition)?!?! Really?!?! LOL
That Damn movie is so expensive if you can even find it. lol I would love to get my hands on one.
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I just watched it last night, via iTunes. The listing mentions ATMOS and Dolby Vision. Sure enough, when the movie started, Dolby Vision appeared briefly on my TV screen and Dolby Atmos scrolled across my sound bar screen.
We need a list of DTSX movies to go along with the Dolby Atmos list
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That Damn movie is so expensive if you can even find it. lol I would love to get my hands on one.
It was a limited edition release and everyone wants it due to the incredible Atmos track.
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6 Underground is a Michael Bay Netflix film with Ryan Reynolds. Great sound throughout and the car chase at the start makes full use of the overheads and surrounds. Don't take the movie too seriously or overthink the storyline and you should have a lot of fun.
I would love to have this on 4k UHD so I can really enjoy the sound mix of this film and not have it via Streaming only.
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We need a list of DTSX movies to go along with the Dolby Atmos list
Here you go, just input "DTS:X" in the Audio field and select on the BluRay 4K filter to get updated results in the future. You can do the same for ATMOS.

151 results for UHD with DTS:X

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Never let ANY built in calibration determine your speaker levels or distances. They will always be wrong, if even just a little.
Use a tape measure to your listening position and an SPL meter. Also turn off ALL of Audyssey's Volume levelers and limiters.
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It was a limited edition release and everyone wants it due to the incredible Atmos track.
It's definitely an Atmos reference track. I play that disc first when friends want to hear what it sounds like.
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Never let ANY built in calibration determine your speaker levels or distances. They will always be wrong, if even just a little.
Use a tape measure to your listening position and an SPL meter. Also turn off ALL of Audyssey's Volume levelers and limiters.
But don't point your SPL meter at the speakers or you'll have the same problem I described. Assuming that it has a cardiod pickup pattern, point it at the screen, so it can mimic the cardiod pickup pattern of our ears.

If it has an omnidirectional (spherical) pickup pattern, don't trust it except to get you into the ballpark - trust your ears for the final setting of equal levels from all speakers instead.

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Interesting. I have always pointed mine up when calibrating.
https://www.audioholics.com/frequent...match-speakers
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Interesting. I have always pointed mine up when calibrating.
https://www.audioholics.com/frequent...match-speakers
Yep, and while I consider Audioholics to be one of the better sites for advice, they're wrong about this, along with the rest of the industry.

Think about it. Our ears attenuate sounds from the rear, which is why setting the level of those speakers with a meter that ignores that fact leaves us wondering whether those speakers are even on.

Worse, setting the level of ceiling speakers with a meter pointing at them, overstating their volume even more, leaves us complaining that Atmos is wimpy and oversold.

That's why I say that short of using a classic "binaural head" microphone to calibrate (assuming it has pinnae), our own senses are the best way to set levels, by listening to the channels one at a time while facing the screen.
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