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Absolutely - I've estimated 77" WOLED sales at no more than 1% of overall WOLED TV sales (meaning ~30K units in 2018) but that will change this year. 77" WOLED sales over the next 12 months will probably surpass last years levels by almost a factor of 10 (meaning more than 300Ku).

And much higher sales volumes will translate to much lower prices...
10 times?
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They have sold next to no volume of 77" WOLEDs up to now (and priced them for the Ultra Premium Customer).

They have pretty much reached rock-bottom pricing on 55" and 65" WOLEDs (55" WOLEDs will be limited to ~10% yearly price declines going forward. Same for 65" WOLEDs though they may get one more year of ~20% year-on-year price declines once MMG kicks in).

For perspective, the cost of a 77" WOLED penel is ~150% the cost of a 65" WOLED panel (meaning a 77" WOLED costs less than 150% the cost of a 65" WOLED TV, since processor, power supply, etc cost the same and make up a significant % of the overall TV cost).

So $2000 65" WOLED TVs will translate to $3000 77" WOLED TVs once LG gets motivated to take the 77" segment seriously.

When you consider that LG probably sold ~30,000 77" WOLEDs last year at prices of $7000, how many do you think they'll sell if they get agressive and drop prices by more than 50% from that level?

10X or 300,000 units seems like low-hanging fruit (considering the volume of 55" and 65" WOLED sales will exceed 2 million units each this year).

Again, this is all predicated on the assumption that LG is able to easily meet demand for 55" and 65" panels and has production to spare looking for a place to go...
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Two Questions:

How do the prices from a couple days ago (before they jumped back up) compare to the prices from last Black Friday?

How do people track the prices at the various sites, do you just manually check multiple sites every day?
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I have to think that sales numbers for 55" & 65" dwarf 77".
Although 77" and larger are more optimal for 4k viewing, the size and price just don't seem close to mainstream.

Most people's viewing distance negates the whole 4k resolution advantage even if they're viewing 4k content.
In my theater room, the seats are 11' from a 100" diagonal 1080 projection screen and that's on the edge of pushing it.

Of course, there's a lot more to 4k than resolution.
I know this is a popular belief but I just don't get it. I've gone to Costco and Best Buy and the 4K 50-60" sets are clearly evident at like even 9 or 10 ft easy to see the extra detail. And Best buy they had some kind of soccer match and when it was just a close shot of the guy's head he could see it was a little sharper but then they would pan to the stands and it was night and day, the extra detail of the people in the stands was easy to see.
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I know this is a popular belief but I just don't get it. I've gone to Costco and Best Buy and the 4K 50-60" sets are clearly evident at like even 9 or 10 ft easy to see the extra detail. And Best buy they had some kind of soccer match and when it was just a close shot of the guy's head he could see it was a little sharper but then they would pan to the stands and it was night and day, the extra detail of the people in the stands was easy to see.
I didn't say the sets don't look "sharper", but it is a physiological fact that the human eye has definite parameters related to viewing distance and what the optic nerve\retina can resolve.
If you're viewing distance is beyond a certain length, your eyes are limited to what they are able to resolve.

I would suggest just accepting that as fact because it is.

 
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They have sold next to no volume of 77" WOLEDs up to now (and priced them for the Ultra Premium Customer).


They have pretty much reached rock-bottom pricing on 55" and 65" WOLEDs (55" WOLEDs will be limited to ~10% yearly price declines going forward. Same for 65" WOLEDs though they may get one more year of ~20% year-on-year price declines once MMG kicks in).

For perspective, the cost of a 77" WOLED penel is ~150% the cost of a 65" WOLED panel (meaning a 77" WOLED costs less than 150% the cost of a 65" WOLED TV, since processor, power supply, etc cost the same and make up a significant % of the overall TV cost).

So $2000 65" WOLED TVs will translate to $3000 77" WOLED TVs once LG gets motivated to take the 77" segment seriously.

When you consider that LG probably sold ~30,000 77" WOLEDs last year at prices of $7000, how many do you think they'll sell if they get agressive and drop prices by more than 50% from that level?

10X or 300,000 units seems like low-hanging fruit (considering the volume of 55" and 65" WOLED sales will exceed 2 million units each this year).

Again, this is all predicated on the assumption that LG is able to easily meet demand for 55" and 65" panels and has production to spare looking for a place to go...
But it seems this year more than previous years LCD is more of an issue. I think there might be more pressure to drop the price of the 77". If Samsung had HDMI 2.1 and didn't have that dumb box it would be a no-brainer for me. They improved the viewing angles, are much brighter and you don't have to fear the burn in. I'm still really torn. I've had my heart set on a 77" c9 with HDMI 2.1 but I'm not sure about things like black crush, uniformity and motion blur. I'm really looking forward to a good shootout review once they're both selling. Blast you Kuro for being such a good display. Spent $5K like 10 years ago and it's still a pretty damn good display.
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I know this is a popular belief but I just don't get it. I've gone to Costco and Best Buy and the 4K 50-60" sets are clearly evident at like even 9 or 10 ft easy to see the extra detail. And Best buy they had some kind of soccer match and when it was just a close shot of the guy's head he could see it was a little sharper but then they would pan to the stands and it was night and day, the extra detail of the people in the stands was easy to see.
I didn't say the sets don't look "sharper", but it is a physiological fact that the human eye has definite parameters related to viewing distance and what the optic nerve\retina can resolve.
If you're viewing distance is beyond a certain length, your eyes are limited to what they are able to resolve.

I would suggest just accepting that as fact because it is. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
That is what you said and I couldn't disagree more. What is sharper than? Is my human physiological eye retina counting pixels? And yes it is more than just the sharpness. Is it less so than going from 480 to 720 or 1080? Yes, but it's still better and it's still noticeable but people still say it's not better and it's not noticeable after 10 ft. I couldn't disagree more. Still remember people saying the same thing about VHS and DVD and that was like come on you can totally tell the difference but some people didn't care. My biggest issue with 4K is source. Just like 2K cable TV and streaming is highly compressed at best and when I look at a Blu-ray I can see a difference. You look at an HD movie on some cable network and then play it side-by-side to your Blu-ray the same movie the one on cable looks like garbage.
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Here are my options for LG C8 65":

1- Firstclasstvs.com = 1850
2- PCMAG shop = 1911
3- Greentoe = 1950

Which one do you guys think I should go with?
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I didn't say the sets don't look "sharper", but it is a physiological fact that the human eye has definite parameters related to viewing distance and what the optic nerve\retina can resolve.
If you're viewing distance is beyond a certain length, your eyes are limited to what they are able to resolve.

I would suggest just accepting that as fact because it is.
From any specific viewing distance, what matters is whether a statistically significant % of viewers can distinguish the 4K screen ftom the 1080p screen (and also presumably feel the 4K screen looks superior).

'Facts' and 'physiological limits' be d*mned.

Once a majority of viewers can not correctly distinguish the 4K screen from the 1080p screen, there is a valid argument that the 4K screen is not delivering any discernable value/difference. But up to that point, the 4K screen is clearly delivering a 'different' image that can be distinguished and appreciated...
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But it seems this year more than previous years LCD is more of an issue. I think there might be more pressure to drop the price of the 77". If Samsung had HDMI 2.1 and didn't have that dumb box it would be a no-brainer for me. They improved the viewing angles, are much brighter and you don't have to fear the burn in. I'm still really torn. I've had my heart set on a 77" c9 with HDMI 2.1 but I'm not sure about things like black crush, uniformity and motion blur. I'm really looking forward to a good shootout review once they're both selling. Blast you Kuro for being such a good display. Spent $5K like 10 years ago and it's still a pretty damn good display.
Yes, this will be the 'Year of 77" WOLED', not because LCD/Samsung is putting any more 'pressure' on WOLED but because LG has (finally!) decided to take the 75/77" Premium TV market segment setiously and go after market share gains.

Last year, there were probably no more than ~30,000 77" WOLEDs sold total. LG has been essentially ceding the 75/77" Premium TV market to Samsung and Sony-LCD (while they have focused their efforts on the 55" and 65" Premium TV Markets, where they dominate).

This year, LGD is probably aiming to sell 10 times that number of 77" WOLED panels and will drastically reduce 77" WOLED panel prices to achieve that. When the dust has cleared on 2019 a year from now, I suspect we are going to see the same pattern of market share gains gor WOLED in the 75/77" Premium TV Market that we saw several years ago in the 55" and 65" Premium TV Segments:
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Here are my options for LG C8 65":

1- Firstclasstvs.com = 1850
2- PCMAG shop = 1911
3- Greentoe = 1950

Which one do you guys think I should go with?
I'm personally thinking FirstClassTVs on ebay, since there's no tax at all.

The PCMag current deal has tax, so it's $200 more expensive. I haven't tried Greentoe, but their last offer for me was over $2000. They're down to $1950 now?

I'm just wondering if I'll be able to return the ebay purchase within 30 days if I see a better deal elsewhere.
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I'm personally thinking FirstClassTVs on ebay, since there's no tax at all.

The PCMag current deal has tax, so it's $200 more expensive. I haven't tried Greentoe, but their last offer for me was over $2000. They're down to $1950 now?

I'm just wondering if I'll be able to return the ebay purchase within 30 days if I see a better deal elsewhere.
So I called firstclasstv.com and they said there is a required shipping insurance fee that is 6.5 to 11% of the total price. That price is not included on their order page. So that's atleast an extra $125. Not going with them for that.
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BBY price matched me on the LG C8 for $1899. Gonna scoop up the 5 year warranty for $450 and be done with this.

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So I called firstclasstv.com and they said there is a required shipping insurance fee that is 6.5 to 11% of the total price. That price is not included on their order page. So that's atleast an extra $125. Not going with them for that.


What about through their Ebay store? There’s also an Ebay voucher being emailed out for up to 10% Ebay cash (up to $100) ... think that may be by invite only though.


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You did better then I did at BBY, the best I could get mine to do was use my 10% off coupon on the 77", which technically they aren't supposed to allow on that TV. Delivery is not for 2 weeks but with online prices in the mid $4k range and no tax its hard to not cancel this. This would be an exchange for the Z9D that I have, which many people tell me has better HDR then the C8 will, something I find hard to believe.

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BBY price matched me on the LG C8 for $1899. Gonna scoop up the 5 year warranty for $450 and be done with this.


That’s pretty sweet. Who did they match the price on? I don’t see it advertised at $1899 from any of their allowed list of online retailers.


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BBY price matched me on the LG C8 for $1899. Gonna scoop up the 5 year warranty for $450 and be done with this.
Can you share how you price matched with BestBuy?
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That’s pretty sweet. Who did they match the price on? I don’t see it advertised at $1899 from any of their allowed list of online retailers.


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Can you share how you price matched with BestBuy?
They priced matched Newegg after 4 times. lol. The flash site.

Nothing special, I just asked 4 different reps if they could make an exception and price match Newegg, one finally agreed.

$1899 + $450 warranty = $2543 OTD, pick up tonight. 15 day return no restocking fee.

Edit: No pick up tonight unfortunately, I'll snag it on Sunday though, no biggie.

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Haha I just tried and got the typical we don’t match Newegg Flash response...


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BBY price matched me on the LG C8 for $1899. Gonna scoop up the 5 year warranty for $450 and be done with this.
What's your thinking on the warranty? I'm curious; I haven't made my purchase yet.
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What's your thinking on the warranty? I'm curious; I haven't made my purchase yet.
Two thoughts:

$90 dollars a year to never worry about how I am babying my TV, just let it roll

OR

24% of my purchase on a warranty I will PROBABLY never have to use.


Tough choice. I think I am leaning towards keeping it. Even if after 5 years, if the TV has no issues, I got a pretty good deal for $2500.
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Thats exactly what I got when trying to use it on the 77"
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It took 4 people. They all said "Let me check, give me 2-3 minutes", then one finally came back and said "This price match is eligible, do you want to proceed at $1899?"

Keep trying. Have the links handy.
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$90 dollars a year to never worry about how I am babying my TV, just let it roll

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24% of my purchase on a warranty I will PROBABLY never have to use.


Tough choice. I think I am leaning towards keeping it. Even if after 5 years, if the TV has no issues, I got a pretty good deal for $2500.
Best Buy warranty covers burn in which is the only reason it's worth the high price they charge for it. Other option is buying the 3 year Square Trade warranty from Costco for $99. That gives you a total of 5 years of coverage assuming your credit card gives you a one year extended warranty. Burn in is not covered by this warranty.
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So I called firstclasstv.com and they said there is a required shipping insurance fee that is 6.5 to 11% of the total price. That price is not included on their order page. So that's atleast an extra $125. Not going with them for that.
I'm going to call "foul" on this post. Something is wrong here.

I'm familiar with them, and on both their ebay and their own site they offer free shipping. Any other fees must show up before placing an order. Most educated people understand that.

I remember a while ago another false post saying the same thing.
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I'm going to call "foul" on this post. Something is wrong here.

I'm familiar with them, and on both their ebay and their own site they offer free shipping. Any other fees must show up before placing an order. Most educated people understand that.

I remember a while ago another false post saying the same thing.

They have the 77" for $4399 now and I'm painfully close to pulling the trigger, but I'd like others to chime in on this bit about extra fees because I don't want them to try and pull a fast one on me with some additional 10% surcharge for insurance.
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They have the 77" for $4399 now and I'm painfully close to pulling the trigger, but I'd like others to chime in on this bit about extra fees because I don't want them to try and pull a fast one on me with some additional 10% surcharge for insurance.
$4400 looks great for a 77c8.

Have you ever bought on the internet and been charged some fee that was not mentioned? I never have.
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They have the 77" for $4399 now and I'm painfully close to pulling the trigger, but I'd like others to chime in on this bit about extra fees because I don't want them to try and pull a fast one on me with some additional 10% surcharge for insurance.



I've seen many good reviews for firstclasstv and no bad ones. I haven't used them myself since I'm in Florida and they charge Fla residents tax, They are not authorized dealer either and I don't believe you can purchase extended warranty if not purchased from authorized dealer, although the standard LG warranty should be fine.


That said, they are also offering the 65C8 for $1899 currently link

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So I called firstclasstv.com and they said there is a required shipping insurance fee that is 6.5 to 11% of the total price. That price is not included on their order page. So that's atleast an extra $125. Not going with them for that.
Gotta keep pushing them to get around that.

I've seen people say that they tried to get scammed into that in the past, but kept refusing until they relented.
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I tried to price match a few times with Best Buy on the newegg deal and got no luck.
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