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How important it is to buy from an authorized dealer?
I have an offer for 3949$ +tax i.e 4250$ from auth dealer or buy it for 4100$ from Cleveland plasma which is not.

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The 65C9 will be widely available for under $2000 by Black Friday, will probably be available for close to $1500 through Google Express/Greentoe by then as well, and you'll almost certainly be able pick up 65C9s for ~$1500 on closeout next year.

LGD is in the process of doubling their production capacity. Next year's launch MSRP of the 65C20 is almost certain to be $3000 (down from the C9s $3500) which means the 65C20 will quickly be discounted to $2000.

On e the 65C20 is available for $2000, how much do you think anyone is going to be ready to pay for a 65C9?
So what you're saying is I should wait for the C20...
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So what you're saying is I should wait for the C20...
Which is not good advice for electronics at all, or you just keep waiting forever. Unless of course you'd want to buy a model that is a year behind the current, which is totally fine.

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C9 65" $1899 LINK

GameLiquidations via Rakuten OLED65C9PUA for $2099 - $200 w/ coupon code GL200 = $1899.

Maybe lowest price so far.

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So what you're saying is I should wait for the C20...
The very best prices on the C9 ('liquidations, I believe you called them) will be available after the C20 has launched.

So yes, if your looking for the best deal possible on the C9, wait for the C20.
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C9 65" $1899 LINK

GameLiquidations via Rakuten OLED65C9PUA for $2099 - $200 w/ coupon code GL200 = $1899.

Maybe lowest price so far.

Thank you sir, signed sealed and waiting for delivery !
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65 E9 $1880 (-4% via Mr. Rebates and you can also try to play games with overstock "club O" for 5% back in rewards). Who knows if it'll ship (says 1-4 weeks), but it's got better sound and style than the C9 for $20 less!

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65 E9 $1880 (-4% via Mr. Rebates and you can also try to play games with overstock "club O" for 5% back in rewards). Who knows if it'll ship (says 1-4 weeks), but it's got better sound and style than the C9 for $20 less!

https://www.overstock.com/Electronic...4/product.html
The shipping time is because it's oversized.

Managed to order before they went out of stock! Could not pass up that price. We'll see if they cancel it.

Thanks for the heads up.
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65 E9 $1880 (-4% via Mr. Rebates and you can also try to play games with overstock "club O" for 5% back in rewards). Who knows if it'll ship (says 1-4 weeks), but it's got better sound and style than the C9 for $20 less!

https://www.overstock.com/Electronic...4/product.html
I purchased before it went out of stock and also used paypal with my Discover for an additional $75.00 off. So, if it ships it should be $1880-$75.00 cashback-$75 Discover bonus-$95 club O reward=$1635 plus WA State tax on $1880. Total around $1830 (assuming you use the club o points. Hope it ships. Didn't need one but bought it anyway for the bedroom. May try to sell my C7 but have no idea what they go for used.

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Why would the E9 be on overstock.com...?

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Thank you sir, signed sealed and waiting for delivery !



Glad you got a good deal, keep us updated on how well the process goes. Some people have been negative towards both GameLiquidations and Rakuten. I never had a problem with either and others have reported good things, but nothing like the current service level.

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The shipping time is because it's oversized.

Managed to order before they went out of stock! Could not pass up that price. We'll see if they cancel it.

Thanks for the heads up.
Overstock cancelled the order.
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Overstock cancelled the order.

Did they give a reason why...?

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Did they give a reason why...?
Direct from their email:

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We are contacting you regarding your recent order(s).

Due to a pricing error on our site your order has been cancelled. Rest assured that you will not be charged for this purchase.

We appreciate your business and we're truly sorry for the inconvenience this may cause.

Sincerely,

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The very best prices on the C9 ('liquidations, I believe you called them) will be available after the C20 has launched.

So yes, if your looking for the best deal possible on the C9, wait for the C20.
I meant more that it seems each successive release is getting cheaper quicker and it sounds like the 20 will be a significant upgrade to the 19, wheras the 18 to 19 update wasn't that big.

I could be totally off base though.
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I just jumped. C9 77" for $3999.00 shipped to CA, no tax, on GreenToe.

Now the waiting begins . . .
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It's so odd reading, in this thread, of all the people saving large amounts of money saved by buying at online vendors that offer no return policy, or one with a steep restocking fee, and then reading, in another thread, about owners that have been doing multiple exchanges at B&M stores to find the perfect panel.
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This is the difference as I see it:

A. It will always be about price for me. Buying a TV is a major investment in my life. Anything that brings the cost of that investment lower will win out to me. Once the TV hits my budget price, I'm in. Some people are more fortunate than I and don't have to be as concerned about price.

B. The panel lottery players searching for that perfect panel will nearly always lose - there is no such thing as a "perfect panel." And things they may deem imperfect (slight banding at 2% or a magenta hue at 100%) are an impractical standard in a real world situation. Those scenarios may never occur during the life of the TV, especially for an extended period of time. So I don't see the point in playing the panel lottery (beyond the extremely bad cases, of course).

In the end, it's whatever fits the buyer to make them satisfied.
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Cleveland Plasma is an authorized dealer.. The paperwork (bill of sale) will be from an authorized dealer. (Chris is a middleman).. Give him a call if this concerns you...
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Just ordered the 77c9 from Cleveland Plasma, thanks for letting me know.
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I meant more that it seems each successive release is getting cheaper quicker and it sounds like the 20 will be a significant upgrade to the 19,whereas the 18 to 19 update wasn't that big.

I could be totally off base though.
You're not off-base - that's absolutely correct (on both counts).

LG started the year with essentially the same manufacturing capacity they had in 2018, so with the exception of the 77C9, launch MSRPs stayed flat ibstead of the ~20% year-on-year decline we had become accustomed to. In addition, a last-minute technical issue caused LG to pull back 120Hz BFI at the 11th hour, so what would have been a significant advance for the C9 over the C8 was lost and boiled down to HDMI 2.1 capability.

Now that the new fab in China is up and running, LGD is on their way to almost doubling production capacity, so we're already starting to see C9 discount levels surpass C8 levels from a year ago, and it's a near-certaintly that the C20 will have a launch MSRP which is back to being close to 20% below C8/C9 levels (I'm predicting $3000 for the 65C20 and $5000 for the 77C20).

In addition, the C20s ate likely to have the new and improved WOLED stack supporting 100% DCI-P3 and 85% Rec.2020 in addition to hopefully finally launching 120Hz BFI:
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Glad you got a good deal, keep us updated on how well the process goes. Some people have been negative towards both GameLiquidations and Rakuten. I never had a problem with either and others have reported good things, but nothing like the current service level.
Holy Smokes it will be here in 2 days Thursday !
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I just jumped. C9 77" for $3999.00 shipped to CA, no tax, on GreenToe.

Now the waiting begins . . .
Does CA mean California or Canada?
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Does CA mean California or Canada?
Usually, California. I doubt they smuggle.

Which one has the higher taxes these days?

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You're not off-base - that's absolutely correct (on both counts).

LG started the year with essentially the same manufacturing capacity they had in 2018, so with the exception of the 77C9, launch MSRPs stayed flat ibstead of the ~20% year-on-year decline we had become accustomed to. In addition, a last-minute technical issue caused LG to pull back 120Hz BFI at the 11th hour, so what would have been a significant advance for the C9 over the C8 was lost and boiled down to HDMI 2.1 capability.

Now that the new fab in China is up and running, LGD is on their way to almost doubling production capacity, so we're already starting to see C9 discount levels surpass C8 levels from a year ago, and it's a near-certaintly that the C20 will have a launch MSRP which is back to being close to 20% below C8/C9 levels (I'm predicting $3000 for the 65C20 and $5000 for the 77C20).

In addition, the C20s ate likely to have the new and improved WOLED stack supporting 100% DCI-P3 and 85% Rec.2020 in addition to hopefully finally launching 120Hz BFI:
I would be lying to you if I said I understood everything you just said, however thank you very much for the full breakdown and confirming my suspicions.

C20 it is!
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I would be lying to you if I said I understood everything you just said, however thank you very much for the full breakdown and confirming my suspicions.

C20 it is!
How did we get to C20 from C9 this year? Wouldn’t it be the C10?
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How did we get to C20 from C9 this year? Wouldn’t it be the C10?

Not to be too far off base here, but do we really expect any worthwhile upgrade to the C10?

The C9 already has full HDMI 2.1, etc.

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How did we get to C20 from C9 this year? Wouldn’t it be the C10?
The 9 in C9 stands for 2019, LG releases a new OLED line every year. Calling the next one C10 would therefore mean 2010 which is kinda dumb. Ofc they could always abandon that naming pattern and switch to CX or whatever
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The 9 in C9 stands for 2019, LG releases a new OLED line every year. Calling the next one C10 would therefore mean 2010 which is kinda dumb. Ofc they could always abandon that naming pattern and switch to CX or whatever
The question is, was there even a C10 before? If there was, I agree that it should be called C20. If there wasn't, then the C10 still makes sense.

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The question is, was there even a C10 before? If there was, I agree that it should be called C20. If there wasn't, then the C10 still makes sense.

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In what world does selling a C15 in 2025 'make sense'?

If they go double-digits, it's likely to be 20.

Alternatively, they could ditch the entire 'B/C/E/G/W/Z' lineup for something entirely new (unlikely) or expanded to 2 characters (ie: 'BX/CX/EX/GX/WX/ZX) and stick to a single digit (probably 0).

Since they will probably be introducing a new WOLED stack for the first time in half-a-decade, I think there is a higher-than-normal chance that they'll go this route.

So assuming a new WOLED panel with eXpanded color gamut (99% DCI P3 -> 100% DCI P3 & 85% Rec.2020) is introduced, I'm guessing the likliest scenario will be the following evolution:

2014: 65EG9600
2015: 65EF8500 (new WOLED stack)
2016: 65C6P (new WOLED stack - note that they chose C6 and not C0)
2017: 65C7P (same WOLED stack)
2018: 65C8P (same WOLED stack)
2019: 65C9P (same WOLED stack)
2920: 65CX0P (new WOLED stack with eXpanded color gamut)

The B/C/E line is now established enough (and successfulenough) that I doubt LGE drops it wholesale for somerhing new like they did in the early days of changes to the WOLED stack...

But even if there is no change to the WOLED stack next year, the possibility we see a C10 or a C0 is zero.
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To me, there are a lot of things in play with pricing with these products.
IMO, with the economy so strong, I noticed that the pricing for this last Black Friday season was very different.
Instead of week long sales, it was more like flash sales.
Companies had a certain amount of subsidized products and when they were out, they were out.

While savvy buyers here may know the inside scoop on feature improvements on future models, 99.9% of consumers don't have a clue.
It's all about what they can afford, what they have & what the family wants.

I am encouraged by the current pricing trends and with displays tend to buy on the close out end of things after everyone else has had time to assess them.

I am in the market for a 77" after buying a 65" LG in March, jumping on what I felt was an excellent deal all round.
I do know that LG will be introducing an 88" panel and will be tempted to wait for that when the pricing comes down

Certainly the increased capacity and assumed improvements in production stream-lining will affect the equation.
As always, we just have to wait and see.

 
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