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post #1951 of 2411 Old 12-11-2015, 08:34 AM
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Ehh...you guys missed the key factor...once Oliver brought the ring out...Felicity was Smoked.

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Ehh...you guys missed the key factor...once Oliver brought the ring out...Felicity was Smoked.
Yeah well there was that. That basically might as well be the kiss of death.

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Yeah well there was that. That basically might as well be the kiss of death.
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He put up a fight against Damian Dark and drives around afterwards with a car that isn't bulletproof??!

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He put up a fight against Damian Dark and drives around afterwards with a car that isn't bulletproof??!
I was wondering the same thing. He might have had a hard time justifying a bulletproof limo in season 1, but his campaign manager should have him in bulletproof vehicles all the time with the state Starling City is in these days.
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Ehh...you guys missed the key factor...once Oliver brought the ring out...Felicity was Smoked.
Well, he could quickly go into "No one is safe around me " mode again and call the engagement off.
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Bulletproof or not... BOTH of them were in the same limo, and much of that time Oliver was shielding Felicity with his own body... so it kind of makes no sense for her to get shot and he didn't appear to have been shot at all.

I still say she isn't going to die... it's WAY too obvious at this point that they want you to think so... but if they wanted to truly kill her, they'd just do it and not tease it like this. Someone else is in that grave. My original money was on Lance, but now I'm going back and forth between that and perhaps his old girlfriend... if she gets caught up in the mess, and endangers his son... that would make sense too.
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No one is in the grave, it's a ploy...Felicity is somewhere recovering, and faking her death is the only way to keep her from being a target. Oliver is still mad enough to kill Damien of course...

Or...

She's dead...and somehow she manages to make sure Oliver gets his company back, in the event of her death...Welcome back, Queen Industries.

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There's no way Felicity would let Oliver stuff her in a far away recovery ward, so that can't be it.
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There's no way Felicity would let Oliver stuff her in a far away recovery ward, so that can't be it.
Given Felicity's feelings towards Oliver and their relationship thus far, I would expect her to let him stuff her anywhere he wanted to. (See what I did there?)
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No doubt. Felicity can't die now.

Maybe it will be something silly: Oliver and Ray will use the nanotech on Felicity to save her from imminent death, and it will give her some kind of super power. (lol)
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Just so I can say I covered the bases... before tonight's episode airs in case my new theory pans out.

I've been saying I thought it would be Lance in the grave... but also allowed for the possibility of Oliver's ex-girlfriend now that he knows she had his son. I've never believed it was Felicity, even if they seem to want us to think that it is... but earlier today I had a lightbulb moment that checks all the boxes and doesn't require any current character to die.

Consider... Oliver and Felicity had gone away for several months of non-wedded bliss before coming back to Star(ling) City this season. We were left with the cliffhanger of Felicity going to the hospital after being shot in that ambush... but wait... here's the literal kick in the gut that would set Oliver off, explain why he's the only one at the grave, and make sense given what we know so far.

Maybe Felicity was pregnant, and either didn't know or just hadn't shared it yet with Oliver. She gets shot, and that's how he finds out... with the loss of an unborn child. The more this sad idea twirled in my head, I think it fits better than any of the other theories.

So... just in case I'm right, wanted to float it before the show airs and we presumably find out.
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Wow. I like the long game. Four seasons to reveal Felicity is really Oracle. I mean we've always known the producers originally wanted to do Batman, but couldn't get permission, so their Oliver was secretly Bruce Wayne.
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Well, that was interesting. WE know who WASN'T in the grave now but still no real clue as to who it is.
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Isn't there some sort of pit that could help Felicity with her issues?

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Doesn't Ray have some nanites that might do the job without the side effects?
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Well we know Felicity isn't in the grave. We can only hope it's Harper. I don't remember the Machin storyline at all. Why is he on a vendetta to kill Darhk? Speaking of the Darhks, Mrs. Darhk seems to be just as dark. All in all, I'm just happy we got to hear the canary cry again. All is right in the world.

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I was thinking the same thing as Duane as soon as they announced Felicity's condition. Oracle. Given her anger at the end of the episode I am thinking it's her mom.
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Isn't there some sort of pit that could help Felicity with her issues?
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Well we know Felicity isn't in the grave. We can only hope it's Harper.
We do know "Brie Thorpe" (1936-1981) is in a grave, but who is she?

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I don't remember the Machin storyline at all. Why is he on a vendetta to kill Darhk?
Machin, working for Darhk I believe, abducted Seven of Nine's daughter to get her out of the mayor's race. Then for some reason I can't remember, Darhk gave Team Arrow the location (betraying Machin).

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Doesn't Ray have some nanites that might do the job without the side effects?

Doesn't Oliver know some dude in Central City that can travel back in time and fix stuff?
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Well, that was interesting. WE know who WASN'T in the grave now but still no real clue as to who it is.
We also know that 4 mos later Ollie and Felicity are still not married or even appear to be engaged anymore, there was no ring on her finger.(I cheated, I read that in a review, didn't catch it on the first viewing).

I also took notice of how the episode pretty much ended where it started, Anarky was still on the loose and so was Darhk. So lots of action and still no bad guys put away, and more importantly, no revenge for Ollie.
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I have a hunch (only a hunch) it's Diggle in the grave. Outside of Felicity's mom, I think she'd be most upset about one of the original trio (Ollie, Diggle and she) dying. Look at the storylines Diggle has had this season - somewhat reconciling with his brother, more lovey stuff with Lyla. . .I think they're setting us up to have Diggle killed off.
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Well, it's got to be somebody Felicity's really close to - family close - for her to get that upset. Can't see them killing off Diggle; he's too important and he's even got himself a costume now. Can't be one of the Team Arrow girls for the same reasons.

So that leaves.... Felicity's mom. She superfluous, expendable, and now she's sweet on Det. Lance. Gotta' be her. Ta-daaa!
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Well, it's got to be somebody Felicity's really close to - family close - for her to get that upset. Can't see them killing off Diggle; he's too important and he's even got himself a costume now. Can't be one of the Team Arrow girls for the same reasons.

So that leaves.... Felicity's mom. She superfluous, expendable, and now she's sweet on Det. Lance. Gotta' be her. Ta-daaa!
Would also explain Barry's presence, due to his closeness with Felicity. I don't see Barry coming out or Oliver getting so upset over Det. Lance. Oliver would be more preoccupied with comforting Laurel.

With Felicity's mom, in addition to being the mother of the love of his life, Oliver would be burned by the senseless killing of an innocent family member, someone who never posed any threat to Darhk.
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Would also explain Barry's presence, due to his closeness with Felicity. I don't see Barry coming out or Oliver getting so upset over Det. Lance. Oliver would be more preoccupied with comforting Laurel.

With Felicity's mom, in addition to being the mother of the love of his life, Oliver would be burned by the senseless killing of an innocent family member, someone who never posed any threat to Darhk.
If its Felicity's mom then they really have spent a lot of time building up to something that will hardly qualify as memorable. It has to be someone we the audience have known for a awhile and seen many times or it will be a big letdown in terms of "effect".


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If its Felicity's mom then they really have spent a lot of time building up to something that will hardly qualify as memorable. It has to be someone we the audience have known for a awhile and seen many times or it will be a big letdown in terms of "effect".
Charlotte Ross (Donna Smoak) has been featured in half a dozen episodes and they've been featuring her for some reason - a dramatic death, probably. Today is actually her birthday! She's 49(!) and clearly graduated from the Diane Lane/Helen Mirren/Sharon Stone school of ageless beauty. Some pact with the devil, I'm guessing. The tee-vee world is better with her in it. If it is her lying in that grave, I'm going to miss her deeply and longingly.

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