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post #61 of 4012 Old 09-24-2013, 09:54 PM
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Good to see with a new Joss Whedon series on TV that he will be bring back as guest stars, favorites from his old shows including Angel and Firefly!
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Quite a comedown from the brilliance of Firefly. Does he need the money?
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Weak for the first ep. As diverse as the Marvel universe is, it was like an episode of Heroes.

"Hero of the week" looks like the dude (Darnell) that Nikki was married to, yet has the power of Peter Petrelli. Previews for next week look better, but I'll bail if it's another stinker.

Yeah I thought weak sauce as well. Not sure yet if I like this semi-campy humour.

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Fairly underwhelming premiere and rather dissapointing. There were so many things wrong.

While the two geeks were interesting, they talked so fast that it was almost impossible to follow what was being said or done. The kid talked about his devices and what each one does and I couldn't catch any of it.

The set in the beginning with the building that blew up was soooo fake looking. It looked like a Hollywood set that you would see on every other show. The people in the background were horrible actors too.

Everything felt rushed. They assumed that everyone that watched this knew everything about the Marvel universe. No backstory, no build up, just wham here you are, let me do a quick voice over for a minute to bring everyone up to speed, then that is it.

Felt very choppy and segmented, like this was oiginally going to be a two part but decided to squash it nto 1. Jumping all over the place, etc.

I sure hope they can settle down a little and find theiir rythym because it has potential. Some great one liners for comic book fans and lots of nods to the Marvel universe.

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Wow. You guys are a hard sell.

I thought it was fun. A little slow, because they had to do everybodys' intro, but, I was entertained.

It wasn't "Breaking Bad" good but it wasn't "Two Broke Girls" bad, either.
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I liked it a lot as well. Obviously geared towards the Avengers crowd, which is fine by me. Lots of comic book references (origin story, "Journey Into Mystery", etc) & the humor was clever & witty. It's not Justified or BB, but it's not trying to be. Best thing about it IMHO was that it didn't try to take itself seriously. After watching the dreck that was Hostages it was Shakespeare by comparison. Looking forward to see where is goes....I'm all in.
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It was pretty good, loved the humor but probably need to tone it down a bit. I think it will get better once they "find their feet".
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I liked it a lot, but I'm reading some of the (older) comics using the Marvel Unlimited app. Really enjoyed the easter eggs, and was wondering if they would show a flying car so I enjoyed the ending.
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I agree that everything seemed rushed to get in some back characters and scenarios. It jumped around pretty quickly. But it was a pilot. Regular episodes might not be the same way. We'll see.

One thing I never figured out is their headquarters. They're supposed to be in a plane and I thought it was in the air. But they seemed to come and go as they please. I know the Vette can fly, but they never showed any of them leaving or coming back.
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I fall into the 'disappointed' camp. Take the Marvel name off of it, and it seems to be just another procedural with a pretty stock team of Police-FBI-CIA-Counter Terrorist-Black Ops-Misfits. Some decent dialog, but couldn't they find some more interesting people to say the lines? One of the big advantages that the cable shows seem to have over the network shows is casting. You see the network (heavy) hand all over the cast of 'TV pretty' guys and gals. The new shows all blend together, in part because the people on them all look the same. If networks really want to be more like cable, they're going to have to realize that it starts with the cast.

Liked the flying car, though. Nice subtle set-up, talking though the whole episode about that 'old car' of his. I'm kidding. It wasn't subtle at all.
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I liked it.  It was a bit choppy in spots.  But I'll keep watching for sure.


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Wow. You guys are a hard sell.

I thought it was fun. A little slow, because they had to do everybodys' intro, but, I was entertained.

It wasn't "Breaking Bad" good but it wasn't "Two Broke Girls" bad, either.

Indeed, but they managed to get a poop joke in there at the beginning

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I agree with the "Pretty Boy/Girl" comments. Also that compared to Firefly it's weak on character, so far. Marvel and JW have always been about character, IMO, and except for Agent Coulson and the geeks, the principles are from The Bachelor. To me the charactors seem a lot like those on NCIS L.A. Hopefully, as the series progesses, we get to see a bit of grit that fighting evil has to get into to succeed. Right now it's all cool equipment and pretty faces, though the back story on Coulson will be one thing that I'll want to follow.

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Calling it now. Coulson is a LMD (& he does not know it), & when he finds out, he goes crazy at first, then becomes the Vision. Stark made the LMD.

What's an LMD?

I assume "The Vision" is a character in the Avengers universe?

Anyway, I'm with most of the other people here - not horrible but not great. It's no Firefly.

Is there a list out there of all the Avenger/Marvel in-jokes/easter eggs from each show? That might provide some amusement for those of us who aren't totally comic-savvy.
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I liked it.  It was a bit choppy in spots.  But I'll keep watching for sure.

My thoughts as well. I'm going to give Whedon a lot of leeway as I haven't ever been disappointed with his work. I did like the fact that the show was not dumbed down even if it made it a bit difficult to follow. Had some trouble understanding Fitz/Simmons and will probably have to go to CC. Lots of characters that we will have to meet in more detail. I presume that along with new stories there will be a lot of backstories with the characters in the future.

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Calling it now. Coulson is a LMD (& he does not know it), & when he finds out, he goes crazy at first, then becomes the Vision. Stark made the LMD.

What's an LMD?

I assume "The Vision" is a character in the Avengers universe?
 
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LMD-''Life Model Decoy''
A robot made to resemble a living person, used by the super rich and powerful as decoys when their lives may be threatened, or when you need to be in 2 places at the same time. They aren't supposed to be sentient, which is why some long time comics readers are (gleefully) scratching their heads, wondering  how/if this is actually Coulson or hopw he survived what happened to him in The Avengers.

Vision is an android from the comics that later became an Avenger.
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Maybe he is a cylon.

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Maybe he is a cylon.

The entire time I watched, I kept thinking there is something missing, something with the casting. It's Coulson. Clark Gregg can't pull off being a hard ass. I'm not sure it is his size or what, but he doesn't command respect which is what the others give him. And enough with the Tahiti talk. I understand he wasn't there but it was used again elsewhere.

Yes the explosion at the beginning was really obvious and I was tired when I watched it. I did like the interrogation scene when Coulson injected Grant Ward instead of Skye. And she is very HOT.
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The entire time I watched, I kept thinking there is something missing, something with the casting. It's Coulson. Clark Gregg can't pull off being a hard ass. I'm not sure it is his size or what, but he doesn't command respect which is what the others give him. And enough with the Tahiti talk. I understand he wasn't there but it was used again elsewhere.

Yes the explosion at the beginning was really obvious and I was tired when I watched it. I did like the interrogation scene when Coulson injected Grant Ward instead of Skye. And she is very HOT.

Notwithstanding the cylon/robot stuff, Coulson is one of those characters that seem soft but isn't. I don't need him to be a hardass. He's the smartest guy in the room and knows what buttons to push and, to first try to resolve things rather than to simply destroy or take over. I'm down with that.

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Notwithstanding the cylon/robot stuff, Coulson is one of the characters that seem soft but isn't. I don't need him to be a hardass. He's the smartest guy in the room and knows what buttons to push and, to first try to resolve things rather than to simple destroy or take over. I'm down with that.



I actually remember enjoying the One-shots more than this pilot. The casting was better at least.


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I was underwhelmed by the show - I think someone called it "boring" and that's exactly how I felt about it. I did love the jokes and fanboy "easter eggs", but that will only take you so far. I'm willing to give Whedon a little time to develop this.

As a fanboy, I will watch. And yeah, so far, even being somewhat boring, it's better than Hostages, Revolution, The Following and so many other shows out there.
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That rating will drop each week until the show is cancelled.

I gave it a shot and will not watch it again.
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I'm in the camp that would watch the next episode. It was very obvious that the first outside scene was filmed in one of the fake city studio lots.
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Wow, all the criticism...I loved it. A taste of Ironman, a smidgeion of Avengers, a scoash (however you spell it) of character development and lots of Joss. I have no idea what you critics were expecting, but this was seriously fun. Hopefully, it will get better, but you negative Nancy's are way off my mark as to what comprises a series kickofff.
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I have no idea what you critics were expecting

Bigger budget, better cast and characters, more showpiece scenes, bigger and better story that didn't feel like something Heroes left on the floor ... would be things I wanted to see, but we got ABC instead.

As for a "lot of Joss" I couldn't see it. I could see a "lot of ABC" but the sharp dialog, quirky interesting characters and more originality that are his usual trademarks were missing in huge proportions here. But then again he barely touched the pilot and his brother and wife did most of the writing.

The only moment that stood out as a Joss contribution was the monologue in the van from the hacker girl which was interrupted by Coulson. Whedon is always using the ironic interruption for laughs and to flip a mood.


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The "Vish" is not sentient, but was married to "Wanda"?
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Some cameos are desperately needed; Robert Downey?And where the frak is Nick Fury? And no, not the weak Sam Jackson version.

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Indeed, but they managed to get a poop joke in there at the beginning
I think it was pretty clear that it was a porcupine joke...

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It was very obvious that the first outside scene was filmed in one of the fake city studio lots.
You betcha.

As soon as I saw it, I thought, "that looks like the Universal backlot."
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As someone who didn't watch any of the movies, I thought the pilot was focusing too much on style and not enough on substance. There were plenty of shiny toys, but they were only used as a guise to mask the crime-drama core of an otherwise unremarkable show. The cast showed some chemistry by the end of the episode, but they all seemed like stock characters. I guess this level of unoriginality is what we can expect from a show that only has Joss Whedon's name on it and not any actual involvement on his part.
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As for a "lot of Joss" I couldn't see it. I could see a "lot of ABC" but the sharp dialog, quirky interesting characters and more originality that are his usual trademarks were missing in huge proportions here. But then again he barely touched the pilot and his brother and wife did most of the writing.

The thing that saddens me most about this show is that Whedon has had to lower himself into the world of spandex to get something on TV again, and by all accounts the show isn't even his. If he contributed so little to the pilot, it's hard to see him being involved in future episodes, either. I can only hope that if this show sustains its ratings that it will restore Whedon's credibility to the point where he can again pitch shows that don't involve debasing himself.
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