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Well, I'm watching the US Open of Tennis on CBS (CBS 8-KFMB San Diego) and I've noticed that CBS at least in their sports coverage, the scorebox is outside the 4:3 safe zone.



I had a feeling a couple of months ago CBS would be in the process of doing this since there was a PGA event back in July & the CBS bug was outside the 4:3 safezone. I don't expect CBS to get rid of their scorebar for their football & basketball coverage, however what they can do is frame their games for 16:9 widescreen as opposed to keeping it 4:3 safe. Either way, chalk this up as progress for HDTV.

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Maybe it's your provider because up here in the Bay Area, CBS sports (OTA) has been fine for a very long time.

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I don't know where you thought it was a complaint Otto Pylot because it wasn't.

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Lets see abc and nbc follow suit. Fox was the first. Probably channel 11 and my9 should do it. Yes network too. Cbs needs to letterbox channel 2 sd since its cut off.
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Well, it's only going to be a matter of time before YES Network goes to 16:9 widescreen format. Fox bought a 49% stake in that channel. This is just going on a hunch, but I could see YES going that route in time for the start of Nets basketball or Yankees baseball next season. You mentioned that WCBS in SD is cutoff. I remember when Fox went to 16:9 back in mid 2010, it took their network affiliates a couple of months to make transition. Honestly I would've thought ABC would've been the next major broadcast network to go 16:9 since ESPN produces their sports, then CBS, then NBC being the holdout.

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News 12 does 16:9 for weather alerts as a map of nj or another area has a red outline for severe weather. That map is cutoff in sd but shown in left side of screen.
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How about sny?
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Nfl network is 16:9. So is every other sports network. Espn classic is standard def and that's a good thing.
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I noticed during the PGA Championship that the CBS logo was outside the safe zone as well.

Going 16:9 doesn't mean much unless the graphics package is left-aligned, like Fox's football and baseball packages. CBS, NBC, and ESPN currently all have score boxes that are center-aligned for football (unless that changes up this week with the new season).

NBC's EPL graphics on Sunday were outside the safe zone and left-aligned, but also enormous and with ads attached so there wasn't a lot of benefit.
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Here is the CBS pic with the side panels in b/w so you can see what is cut out of the 4x3 safe area.

The court is in the square zone but the graphic is clearly out to the left.
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Here is the CBS pic with the side panels in b/w so you can see what is cut out of the 4x3 safe area.

The court is in the square zone but the graphic is clearly out to the left.

Presumably the shot framing is for other international broadcaster who may still be 4:3 (or have 4:3 outlets for their 16:9 content)? The graphics are a different issue as they need not be shared by others?

The BBC have recently switched to 16:9 graphics safe (from their mixed economy of 4:3 and 14:9 graphics safe) since all BBC distribution domestically is now 16:9 SD or HD (with any conversion to 4:3 taking place "in receiver" where 4:3 centre-cut or 16:9 letterbox are universally available). Not all shows have redesigned their graphics yet - but the new network "end credit slide" is no longer anything but 16:9 safe, and a saturday football results show is now very 16:9.
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All broadcast news outlets with the exception of fox pbs and bbc use 4:3 safe zone even the local news outlets. Cnn and faux news use widescreen and msnbc does 4:3. The olympicsare 4:3 but could go 16:9 in 2014.
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Presumably the shot framing is for other international broadcaster who may still be 4:3 (or have 4:3 outlets for their 16:9 content)? The graphics are a different issue as they need not be shared by others?
Well, being tennis, it's not necessarily simple.

Unlike with most sports, tennis has a vertical field of play.

If you look close, there isn't that much outside of the play area shown above and below the court (and the lighter area above and below, while out of bounds for the ball, are still in play for the players). If the zoomed in too much further, they might run the risk of missing a quick dive for the ball when they have to move the camera to follow.

If the example were football and there was a ton of extra space on either side of the line of scrimage (especially in the back field), then it would be safer to say they were framing for 4x3.
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