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With that and BSG you've deprived yourself of two of the best and most influential TV shows of the last decade or so. No crabcakes for you!
"INFLUENTIAL?"
In what way?

Wait a minute...you know I watched most of BSG's S1!



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I know where you are coming from. I too have often avoided taking on a TV series because its subject matter appeared to be unpalatable to me. I believe, though, that you will be depriving yourself of a lot of pleasure if you continue to avoid Breaking Bad because it depicts the decent of a mild-mannered chemistry teacher who after a cancer diagnosis builds a lucrative but bloody methamphetamine empire. The show is dark, sometimes very dark, but it is also frequently funny and warmhearted. I should also add that it has one of the all time great series finales. Do yourself a favor and give Breaking Bad a chance.
You have a habit of making great recommendations for me.
However, this give me pause: it depicts the decent of a mild-mannered chemistry teacher who after a cancer diagnosis builds a lucrative but bloody methamphetamine empire.
I don't understand how anyone could characterize Walter as "decent."
To do what he ends up doing for the sake of $$$ is not something I would characterize as decent, regardless of his motivations.
I mean, would YOU walk his path?


BTW, have you picked up a copy of Connelly's new The Crossing?



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Sorry, my Breaking Bad.


"INFLUENTIAL?"
In what way?

Wait a minute...you know I watched most of BSG's S1!




And you can see ALL of it in the great film Melancholia.


You have a habit of making great recommendations for me.
However, this give me pause: it depicts the decent of a mild-mannered chemistry teacher who after a cancer diagnosis builds a lucrative but bloody methamphetamine empire.
I don't understand how anyone could characterize Walter as "decent."
To do what he ends up doing for the sake of $$$ is not something I would characterize as decent, regardless of his motivations.
I mean, would YOU walk his path?


BTW, have you picked up a copy of Connelly's new The Crossing?
I think he meant 'descent' as in falling or lowering, not 'decent' as in good or capable.
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In what way?

Wait a minute...you know I watched most of BSG's S1!
You haven't gotten to the really good, Peabody winning stuff yet. It becomes more socially relevant and thematically complex as it goes along. You'll see, if you ever pick it back up.

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I mean, would YOU walk his path?
Walter white was a fundamentally decent family man in many ways when we meet him. However, we soon find out he was also arrogant, vain, and bitter at slights, both real and perceived, from his former friends and business partners. As the series goes on, those carefully sown seeds of discontent are allowed to take full root and metastasize. Kind of like a cancer, the disease that sets him on that path.

It's one of the most brilliantly written character studies I've ever seen in the literary realm or on film. It's essentially a long-form novel brought to the small screen. They also had 5 seasons worth of episodes to fully flesh out his character and chronicle his journey into darkness. It's spectacularly well written and brilliantly acted by Bryan Cranston -- there's a reason he won 4 straight Emmys for that role. If you never watch it, it's your loss, dudemous.
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However, this give me pause: it depicts the decent of a mild-mannered chemistry teacher who after a cancer diagnosis builds a lucrative but bloody methamphetamine empire.
I don't understand how anyone could characterize Walter as "decent."
To do what he ends up doing for the sake of $$$ is not something I would characterize as decent, regardless of his motivations.
I mean, would YOU walk his path?
Since when does movie/TV watching fall into the moral category? Especially for people like us.
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I won't debate whether the series was well written or brilliantly acted.
In fact, I don't doubt that it is.


My problem is I find nothing interesting about Walter White and the world he lives in....at least in the terms of wanting to dedicate some of my time to it.



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Alas, you can lead a a pig to water but you can't make him drink. Now maybe if you lead him to beer...
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I won't debate whether the series was well written or brilliantly acted.
In fact, I don't doubt that it is.


My problem is I find nothing interesting about Walter White and the world he lives in....at least in the terms of wanting to dedicate some of my time to it.
You won't know until you watch it. I missed the first three seasons because the subject matter, premise, and environment were of no interest to me. But then when I heard all the accolades and awards it was getting, I decided to finally check it out after I signed back up with the Netflix streaming. If you like riveting, well-written and well-acted dramas, with a bit of dark humor and moments of shocking violence like Fargo, I think you'll appreciate the greatness that is Breaking Bad.
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Just an amazing show, 10/10 from me. Season 1 was very good but this season is a step up in all aspects. Love the dialogue and pacing. Lou's story and delivery to Ed and Peggy was just perfect.

This is up there with Breaking Bad, Soprano's, True Detective Season 1, and Game of Thrones. Pure gold? You betcha.
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At the end of season 1 of Fargo, I thought "Well, that's it for this show. There is absolutely no way that they can match this. No way."
Well color me wrong. I think they've outdone themselves with season 2 so far.

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@oink Curious, what makes the subject matter of Breaking Bad any less palatable than something like Fargo? Okay to watch generations of crime families in the midwest go about their sordid business but not some guys in New Mexico doing something generally less onerous? Or do you have some personal issues with meth particularly? (meant that in the best way possible). BB is more like Spun than Scarface if that makes any sense. Walter and crew in BB are comedians in comparison. BSG, though (and had to look up wtf bsg stood for), that's another matter....that's like dragging nails across a blackboard last time I tried (in the very beginning....did it get better?).
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BSG, though (and had to look up wtf bsg stood for), that's another matter....that's like dragging nails across a blackboard last time I tried (in the very beginning....did it get better?).
If you're talking about the original 80's cheesefest Battlestar Galactica, no. That was awful. The modern era remake (the one commonly referred to as BSG) is generally considered one of the best, if not THE best sci-fi TV series ever made. The only thing it had in common with the original is the title, some of the characters' names, and the general premise (and even that was heavily modified, for the better).
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If you're talking about the original 80's cheesefest Battlestar Galactica, no. That was awful. The modern era remake (the one commonly referred to as BSG) is generally considered one of the best, if not THE best sci-fi TV series ever made. The only thing it had in common with the original is the title, some of the characters' names, and the general premise (and even that was heavily modified, for the better).
Then I'll have to give it a try, didn't realize there was a re-make.
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Breaking Bad is a show well worth watching...it's more of a character study of 1 man and his choices versus being about meth manufacturing...my 2nd best TV show of all time behind Game of Thrones...Fargo is slowly creeping up my Top 10 list...2 seasons is too soon but Fargo has the same dark comedy, acting and writing talent as Breaking Bad
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A website (Wallethub) dedicated to ranking cities & towns in various categories has taken upon itself the task of ranking 1268 small American cities using a wide-ranging algorithm. Of interest here is that West Fargo, N.D., came in at #11 at the top, or "best," of the list. Also of interest to True Dectective Season II fans, is that the bottom twenty shared a chacteristic...they were all from California, and from what someone said, all from the aLas Angeles area.

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At the end of season 1 of Fargo, I thought "Well, that's it for this show. There is absolutely no way that they can match this. No way."
Well color me wrong. I think they've outdone themselves with season 2 so far.

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@oink Curious, what makes the subject matter of Breaking Bad any less palatable than something like Fargo? Okay to watch generations of crime families in the midwest go about their sordid business but not some guys in New Mexico doing something generally less onerous?
The crime families on Fargo are less of a lethal force on the innocent than the destruction of young people and their families that meth has wrought.
Also, Fargo operates in the Past, while meth is the Today.

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No, I do not.

Meth has a habit of utterly destroying people's minds AND bodies.
In some sense, this is unique (excepting alcohol, of course).
The meth makers/dealers I read about in the papers are anything but fascinating characters.

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( BSG, though (and had to look up wtf bsg stood for), that's another matter....that's like dragging nails across a blackboard last time I tried (in the very beginning....did it get better?).
Some have said it does, but I couldn't tell ya.
I nearly made it to the end of S1 until I couldn't take it anymore.
The space soap's characters just didn't grab me.



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The modern era remake (the one commonly referred to as BSG) is generally considered one of the best, if not THE best sci-fi TV series ever made.
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I thought it was Firefly?




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The crime families on Fargo are less of a lethal force on the innocent than the destruction of young people and their families that meth has wrought.

Meth has a habit of utterly destroying people's minds AND bodies.
In some sense, this is unique (excepting alcohol, of course).
LOL

Says the man who single-handedly keeps Bushmills afloat.
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Walter White distributed meth of a much higher purity.

So it was better for junkies, who were going to take meth from one source or another.

If they didn't get WW's high quality meth, they would have gotten high on some cut-down crap instead.
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Walter White distributed meth of a much higher purity.

So it was better for junkies, who were going to take meth from one source or another.

If they didn't get WW's high quality meth, they would have gotten high on some cut-down crap instead.
Oh OK...well, that makes all the difference then.



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I seem to be in the minority here as I don't find the second season of Fargo as gripping as either S1 or the movie.

As for BB I loved it. If one prefers white hat/black hat themes this one is not for them. Every major character is seriously flawed.
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I seem to be in the minority here as I don't find the second season of Fargo as gripping as either S1 or the movie

Season 1 of Fargo had the better individual characters- Lorne Malvo, Lester Nygaard, Molly Solverson but Season 2's overall story seems better in that it connects more of the characters together
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As for BB I loved it. If one prefers white hat/black hat themes this one is not for them. Every major character is seriously flawed.
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A little of both perhaps.
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But Season II does not have Billy Bob Thornton who trumps everything else.
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But Season II does not have Billy Bob Thornton who trumps everything else.
BBT's Malvo was good as have been many other actor/characters.....Malvo doesn't top Macy's Lundegaard from the movie IMO and thought the hobbit's Nygaard wasn't too shabby either. Woodbine's Milligan is shaping up nicely as are a few others, we haven't seen what Dunst's Peggy is all about and it's about to get better. It's all good.
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BBT was terrific...no one will deny that.
However, I'm not so sure he trumps S2, but your point is well taken.



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BBT's Malvo was good as have been many other actor/characters.....Malvo doesn't top Macy's Lundegaard from the movie IMO and thought the hobbit's Nygaard wasn't too shabby either. Woodbine's Milligan is shaping up nicely as are a few others, we haven't seen what Dunst's Peggy is all about and it's about to get better. It's all good.
COMPLETELY AGREE.



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Then I'll have to give it a try, didn't realize there was a re-make.
Dude!

Give it a try. Even my wife loved it and she doesn't go for sci-fi. That isn't to imply that it is somehow effeminate or anything, it was just well written.

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The BSG pilot was excellent (2 hours?). However, it's generally agreed by me, myself, and I that Firefly was the best.
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The BSG pilot was excellent (2 hours?). However, it's generally agreed by me, myself, and I that Firefly was the best.
The fact is, neither one of 'em was really science fiction in the purest sense of the word. Firefly was essentially a modern day western dressed up with sci-fi trappings. What made it special were the wonderfully drawn characters and Whedon's incredible ear for dialog, his humor, and the sheer perfection of the cast. And the science was actually fairly solid (no sound in the vacuum of space, no faster than light travel, a large solar system with many habitable worlds, etc.). The vfx were also state-of-the-art. And only 13 episodes! What a shame we were deprived of more.

As for BSG, it was really a military drama in space with the Galactica standing in for a modern day aircraft carrier. All the trappings of those kinds of war films were there. The Cylons were the intractable enemy, one that can't be reasoned or bargained with, and with the remake they looked like us, walked unsuspected among us, and all the conspiratorial angles that allows. They were standing in for communists that plagued us in the 50's and 60's or the Islamic fascists that plague us today. What lifted it above other, similar works was how the ongoing War in Iraq and all the moral quandaries it entailed were woven into the storyline. And again, superb writing and acting and the surehanded direction of a brilliant showrunner in Ronald D. Moore.

They were both terrific. One and two in the genre in my book. Nothing before or since has really come close.
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BBT's Malvo was good as have been many other actor/characters.....Malvo doesn't top Macy's Lundegaard from the movie IMO and thought the hobbit's Nygaard wasn't too shabby either. Woodbine's Milligan is shaping up nicely as are a few others, we haven't seen what Dunst's Peggy is all about and it's about to get better. It's all good.
I agree that the potential for Kirsten Dunst's Peggy Blomquist is sky high. She does a great job of misleading others, including her husband, into believing that she is a timid-as-a-mouse housewife. It seems to me though that she is really a cold and ruthless sociopath. Peggy looks out for Number One no matter what. What makes her even more interesting to me is that Peggy isn't very smart, although she is probably smarter than her husband, faint praise though that may be.
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Everyone has their own personal preferences when it comes to actors, story lines, settings, genres, etc. To me, it's hard to say one show is "better" than another. If talented artists are working to their full potential, and care about what is being produced, the quality and entertainment value show through. And for me, it's all about being entertained, and being transported to the story. The sheer quantity of material available today makes it a bit of a chore to separate the wheat from the chaff, but certain names pop out, and beg to be watched. The current crossover from the big to little screen has certainly widened the scope of what's worth watching, and I would bet that makes all of us happier with our choices for entertainment.
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