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I'm 4 episodes into Season 4 but I notice a bunch of main characters from previous seasons seem to be missing this year-
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That ending was nothing like I expected and was nowhere near satisfying. Although I did enjoy season 4 overall.

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Very much enjoyed season 4. I too hoped for a bit better ending than what we got, but overall I loved the season and the show. Well done.
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3 episodes to go. Bummer that the ending didn't live up to expectations, considering they had all this time to craft it.
This season honestly just feels like a rerun of the last 2 seasons. It's just a different faction this time around stirring up trouble.

In general, I feel like this story could have been told in a 10 episode limited run, and it would have been much tighter.
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Just finished and pretty disappointing ending, but my man Kido.....

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I guess I'm the odd man out in that I thought they really stuck the landing considering how complex this show became. I actually loved it. I think episode 9 was the most shocking but I was quite happy with the end.
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That ending was nothing like I expected and was nowhere near satisfying. Although I did enjoy season 4 overall.
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My thoughts on the ending & series ...:

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Like you I enjoyed the season overall, but didn’t really have an issue with how they ended it (even if a bit underwhelming).

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Overall I enjoyed the ending, like many others I would have liked to seen more but it was done well enough so I cannot really complain. Why are some of you using spoiler tags? The series is over, and normally we can discuss the shows when over per AVS Forum rules and etiquette. I just waited until finished with the final season before responding and reading.
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Like you I enjoyed the season overall, but didn’t really have an issue with how they ended it (even if a bit underwhelming).

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Overall I enjoyed the ending, like many others I would have liked to seen more but it was done well enough so I cannot really complain. Why are some of you using spoiler tags? The series is over, and normally we can discuss the shows when over per AVS Forum rules and etiquette. I just waited until finished with the final season before responding and reading.
Spoiler tags? Maybe some people realize that season 4 has been out for only a week and not everyone has the time to binge all episodes in a week. Besides it isn't really that much work to use the spoiler tags.

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That ending was nothing like I expected and was nowhere near satisfying. Although I did enjoy season 4 overall.
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Like you I enjoyed the season overall, but didn’t really have an issue with how they ended it (even if a bit underwhelming).

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Anyone know how the Book ending may have differed??[/SPOILER]
Honestly, the book and series are so different it's nearly impossible to explain. In the book there are no films. There is a novel called The Grasshopper Lies Heavy, written by The Man in the High Castle, that describes the Allies winning WWII. The IChing, which does get some use in season 4, factors way more heavily in the novel.

To just describe the end of the novel wouldn't do it justice, or even really make sense. You should pick up a copy and give it a read. That and Valis are my two favorite PKD novels.
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Anyone know how the Book ending may have differed??

Season 1 contained most of what was in the book, the following seasons are the show creators extrapolation of what occurred after that.
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The ending did seem rushed to me. Also,
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Playing catch-up, jus' started S1, 7 eps. in. Thanks for the spoilers. News of an ambiguous ending doesn't bother me, that seems to be par for the streaming course these days.

I'm not a fan of alternate facts or alternate history. I'm tagging along because my wife is a fan of. Will check back. Fave character so far is
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Don't care for the dim PQ (likely director's intent), and 1080p/4K UHD switching. HDR's mostly so-so. Things may improve in this regard, as money pours into a 4-season production.
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Wife and I are off for a week, we decided to give this a shot. Wow, what a big mistake...…...waiting so dang long to watch this. This is top quality TV. Slow burn at times but it is sooooo satisfying. We are really enjoying this and looking forward to binge watching more of this over the next few days. So well done. Loving the story.
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Wife and I are off for a week, we decided to give this a shot. Wow, what a big mistake...…...waiting so dang long to watch this. This is top quality TV. Slow burn at times but it is sooooo satisfying. We are really enjoying this and looking forward to binge watching more of this over the next few days. So well done. Loving the story.
Let us know if you are still satisfied once it ends, Will.I.Am.
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I personally rather liked the finale--though I do agree with the others here who have said that things seemed definitely rushed as it headed towards conclusion. Coming up with an ending that satisfies most viewers is a tough challenge for even the best writers, especially considering the number of characters and the overall complexity of the plot here. IMHO, viewers are being challenged by the writer to think. What is taking place at the very end is decidedly more up to your own interpretation than it is with most finales; in that respect, this seemed just a little bit similar to the end of The Sopranos, because..

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The acting, locations, and overall production values remain simply phenomenal right down to the last scene! Gotta say one thing though... I've been all through the Poconos from Elmira to Scranton to Philly over the years, and there is no part of that region that looks even remotely like the Canadian Rockies locations that were used, . That's quite a Delaware Water Gap, eh?

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I wouldn’t say bad, I enjoyed it, but I don’t want to try and sway you either way before you finish. I know it sucks having that sense of dread or having excitement built up too high. Take the middle ground and know there is mixed opinions on it
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The ending is very Dickian. It's ambiguous, and asks the viewer to interpret and extrapolate onward from the end point.

I loved the show, but throughout I was bothered by how... concrete it was becoming, as it moved past the bounds of the original novel. As it did so it lost more and more of the flavor of the source creator's style and approach.

I get that Dick's hallucinatory approach is tough to adapt for the screen. The show succumbed to the understandable temptation to take a set of fascinating ideas and turn them into a more and more straightforward sf narrative, and it was still all good. So it was jarring when it ended in a way much more consistent (stylistically) with the source material than the show itself had been. They threw in some Dickian touches and echoes of the novel with Juliana's story in the final season, but they almost seemed out of place in the otherwise fairly conventional narrative about resistance and revolution.

In toto, though, the series was a masterpiece of worldbuilding, full of fine performances and nuanced storytelling, and IMO a great success.
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Enjoyed the final season except for the last few minutes. Felt more like a season final instead of series final.
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Sharon Van Etten's Skeeter Davis scorched me. Onward to S2.

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I was kind of disappointed until episode 4, with the return of Root as Hawthorne Abendsen. In ep 5, John Smith/Sewel, met his son in the alternate world. Their dialogue about enlisting as Marine to fight in Vietnam was mind-blowing, knowing what Smith had gone thru. Ep 6 key takeaway was Kido's character, impacted by his son's PTSD. Road to hell is paved with good intentions. Loved the twist and turns. Onward to ep 7.

I enjoyed Season 4 more now with the focus on John Smith. This kind of alternate world and time travel always get me interested, such as West World, Dark, His Dark Materials and Continuum.
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I was okay with the ending. It was one of many possible endings, and you can't have them all. Not all questions answered, but that's okay. I agree with others who said that the series makes you think and speculate, much like the book.
There is a tendency to wrap everything up with a neat bow. Some series ( the Sopranos comes to mind) leave the explanations up to the viewer. Some (like Lost) wrap things up to the satisfaction of some but not others. I'd rather savor a story long after it "ends".
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About to embark on S4. As suspected would happen, PQ has improved with each season. Bonus has been some improved storyline. Acting has been the most impressive element. I knew none of these people going in. Henceforth, I'll keep an eye on some of their whereabouts.

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