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What a bizarre finale. Hope Daniel pulls a Glenn and survives the fire. Other than that, keep the group in the pickup truck alive and kill off Junkie Depp and Chris. Travis might be savable.
I am still rooting for the zombies, but the fire is a good start.
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Is it just me, or is FTWD stealing plot ideas from TWD?
I just think it's Robert Kirkman's limited creativity. We've seen that limitation in TWD.

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That mid season finale' was a mess!

What on earth happened to Daniel? Since when did he show signs of an upcoming psychotic break?
He seemed the most stable of the group... and all of a sudden he goes psycho, starts hearing voices, sees his dead wife, etc.
Wow....
In multiple episodes he was shown to be hearing voices.
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In multiple episodes he was shown to be hearing voices.
Yes. HE was showing signs of issues episodes earlier. Everything came to a head when he froze when faced with a Zombie at the church. And since then his issues flew out of control.

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So... unlike so many of you folks, I actually enjoyed Sunday's episode. I loved that people started going off the deep end! Loved the scenes with Daniel and his wife, and how the zombies turned into people in his eyes. Loved the childhood flashbacks. Good stuff. (except, 1911s are not double-action)

We now have, what, 3 (4? if we think Daniel and Celia are alive in the hacienda) separate sets of people. I imagine that we may have episodes that focus on each of them in turn. That could be fun. We need more character development.
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Is it just me, or is FTWD stealing plot ideas from TWD?
When I see the things they copy from TWD I think that maybe TWD fans shouldn't watch FTWD. Almost as if they intended it for (2) different groups of viewers.

- When they showed the 'family' members in the jail-type cell in the house, I told my wife "just like Herschel's farm"
- Daniel talking to his dead wife = Rick talking to Lori
- Smearing blood and guts 'shields' living people from zombies
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I have to say I was still rooting for this show until this last episode of dreck. Totally incomprehensible. So Junkie Johnny Depp walks off all the way to the boat, by himself and gets walker Luis to walk back with him? I need to go back and review but I thought they killed luis after he was shot so he wouldn't turn? Guess not...Sets fire to the "walker Jail" and all of a sudden the entire complex is burning? Where did all the walkers come from at the end? Oh so many plot holes. One or two I can take but this... yes I'll probably watch as Sunday is me and the boy "Dead" night but jeez.

Oh and did anyone catch that other unintelligible show Preacher WTH was that?
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When I see the things they copy from TWD I think that maybe TWD fans shouldn't watch FTWD. Almost as if they intended it for (2) different groups of viewers.

- When they showed the 'family' members in the jail-type cell in the house, I told my wife "just like Herschel's farm"
- Daniel talking to his dead wife = Rick talking to Lori
- Smearing blood and guts 'shields' living people from zombies
Exactly what I was talking about. The only thing that failed to copy was a strong leader like Rick or any strong character in general. In TWD, I actually cared when a main character died. In FTWD, I really do not care if any or all of them die.
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So Junkie Johnny Depp walks off all the way to the boat, by himself and gets walker Luis to walk back with him? I need to go back and review but I thought they killed luis after he was shot so he wouldn't turn? Guess not...
I seem to recall that they didn't shoot him, at least not in the head.
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I laughed whenever Nick showed up at the Hacienda covered in zombie guts. Where is he getting this from and doesn't he have e to "kill" the zombie to get it? Wouldn't Celia have an issue with that? I guess as long as it's not her people, then it's okay to send them to the afterlife.
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I laughed whenever Nick showed up at the Hacienda covered in zombie guts. Where is he getting this from and doesn't he have e to "kill" the zombie to get it? Wouldn't Celia have an issue with that? I guess as long as it's not her people, then it's okay to send them to the afterlife.
Nick and Travis left the estate. He got the zombie guts from all the zombies out there in the surrounding town. They showed a few laying dead, one by a swing set, etc. all of which are outside the walls of the house. Nick had a knife. Killing a lone zombie is easily done but he also most likely used the guts from the ones he found.

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I laughed whenever Nick showed up at the Hacienda covered in zombie guts. Where is he getting this from and doesn't he have e to "kill" the zombie to get it? Wouldn't Celia have an issue with that? I guess as long as it's not her people, then it's okay to send them to the afterlife.

No. He could completely disembowel a walker and it would still be "alive", as long as he didn't drive something into their brain.

Besides, I would imagine he used a walker that was on the outside of the fence, so as not to offend Celia.
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. Killing a lone zombie is easily done but he also most likely used the guts from the ones he found.


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Besides, I would imagine he used a walker that was on the outside of the fence, so as not to offend Celia.
So now we are expected to imagine what may or may not have happened. I guess that makes us part of the writing staff. So we only have ourselves to blame for this mess of a show!
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I have to say I was still rooting for this show until this last episode of dreck. Totally incomprehensible. So Junkie Johnny Depp walks off all the way to the boat, by himself and gets walker Luis to walk back with him? I need to go back and review but I thought they killed luis after he was shot so he wouldn't turn? Guess not...Sets fire to the "walker Jail" and all of a sudden the entire complex is burning? Where did all the walkers come from at the end? Oh so many plot holes. One or two I can take but this... yes I'll probably watch as Sunday is me and the boy "Dead" night but jeez.

Oh and did anyone catch that other unintelligible show Preacher WTH was that?
They didn't shoot him in the head. They were going to but then Luis pleaded with them to not shoot him in his head. And they ended up complying.

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The best thing about the last episode is that I will now have an additional hour in my week for other activities. I cannot fathom how anyone can take an incredibly profitable and successful franchise like The Walking Dead and completely and utterly destroy a parallel story line like they have done with this show - bravo.
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So now we are expected to imagine what may or may not have happened. I guess that makes us part of the writing staff. So we only have ourselves to blame for this mess of a show!
No, they specifically showed Travis walking to find his son and coming across a stabbed zombie, then another zombie, etc. then a few scenes later they show Nick covered in blood. Are they really required to hold your hand and state, Nick used the guts of the zombie we just saw? No show out there tells you every single thing. When they show you over and over again Nick luring zombies to be disembowel, setting up traps (like in the tents) and doing this stunt repeatedly they now have to show you exactly what he did again? If they did people would complain they show the same thing over and over.

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The best thing about the last episode is that I will now have an additional hour in my week for other activities. I cannot fathom how anyone can take an incredibly profitable and successful franchise like The Walking Dead and completely and utterly destroy a parallel story line like they have done with this show - bravo.

this train wreck of a show combined with that divisive Walking Dead Negan finale might be the start of a downturn that the Walking Dead will not recover from (ratings wise)...might be the beginning of the end
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No. He could completely disembowel a walker and it would still be "alive", as long as he didn't drive something into their brain.

Besides, I would imagine he used a walker that was on the outside of the fence, so as not to offend Celia.
I assumed he is finding a walker outside the compound but it would be foolish to not kill the walker to get his guts. I don't think Nick has any objections to offing walkers, but he respects Celia's viewpoint and when he walks back into camp covered in zombie guts, they all know how that happened.

Imagine if Celia and her staff were all Hindus and had sacred cows roaming freely and he comes walking back in with a hamburger.
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I agree with others that this show is just not well-written. We see the same problems in TWD when characters get philosophical and try to talk about "deep things." The dialogue is very clunky and nothing substantial or insightful is ever said. However, the characters were already mostly well-established by the original show runners, so we go along with it and imagine that it's thought-provoking.

However, on FTWD, the characters never had a strong careful development, so when we have dialogues like we had on the last episode, they seem more obviously 2-dimensional and nonsensical.

The only thing I really enjoyed was some of the cinematography. Some of the nighttime vineyard scenes were well-lit, with bluish or redish backlighting in the sky.
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When Junkie Depp showed up again covered in blood it almost felt like an on set prank. My first reaction was....wait didn't he just shower a few minutes ago?!? LOL.
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No, they specifically showed Travis walking to find his son and coming across a stabbed zombie, then another zombie, etc. then a few scenes later they show Nick covered in blood. Are they really required to hold your hand and state, Nick used the guts of the zombie we just saw? No show out there tells you every single thing. When they show you over and over again Nick luring zombies to be disembowel, setting up traps (like in the tents) and doing this stunt repeatedly they now have to show you exactly what he did again? If they did people would complain they show the same thing over and over.
No, I don't need hand holding. But maybe the writers do. I copied excerpts from two other posters who had used terms like, "I guess", and " maybe ". It's obvious to me people are struggling to " guess " what is going on.
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The only thing I really enjoyed was some of the cinematography. Some of the nighttime vineyard scenes were well-lit, with bluish or redish backlighting in the sky.
I thought those were scenes shot during daylight hours and they "faked" the darkness.



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Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking as well, daytime shoot with darkening filters to simulate night.
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this train wreck of a show combined with that divisive Walking Dead Negan finale might be the start of a downturn that the Walking Dead will not recover from (ratings wise)...might be the beginning of the end
I agree, but a new good writer can save the day. If they kill Negan and take control of Negans, if Carol theory by Jahns is right, and if they kill all cast of FTWD but Strand and show us again the first days with new interesting cast and story that explains the basics.
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...if they kill all cast of FTWD but Strand and show us again the first days with new interesting cast and story that explains the basics.

I don't know why the show didn't stick with its original concept of showing the world before the walker/zombie outbreak...that would have been so much better...instead they only spent an episode at most before the outbreak reached a critical stage and now FTWD is just Walking Dead LA Edition
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Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking as well, daytime shoot with darkening filters to simulate night.

I wasn't paying attention, but you're referring to"Day for night", a technique where they shoot during the day, but print the film darker (probably done digitally now) to simulate nighttime. I hate it because you can usually tell by the high contrast shadows. It almost never looks right.




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I agree, but a new good writer can save the day. If they kill Negan and take control of Negans, if Carol theory by Jahns is right, and if they kill all cast of FTWD but Strand and show us again the first days with new interesting cast and story that explains the basics.
Oh, and also if James Franco saves Kennedy AND gets the girl.

And they completely rewrite The Path.

Might as well write a new ending for lost while we're at it.

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I wasn't paying attention, but you're referring to"Day for night", a technique where they shoot during the day, but print the film darker (probably done digitally now) to simulate nighttime. I hate it because you can usually tell by the high contrast shadows. It almost never looks right.







I agree, it always has a strange look to it, a "signature" look as it were.
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this train wreck of a show combined with that divisive Walking Dead Negan finale might be the start of a downturn that the Walking Dead will not recover from (ratings wise)...might be the beginning of the end
If you think any of this is the beginning of the end for the walking dead juggernaut of a ratings show you are delusional. The only thing that can hurt the walking dead is a major character (e.g. Rick/Daryl) getting killed, other than that, it will continue to be huge in the ratings.


Now for fear the walking dead, I can see it being the beginning of the end if they don't get better, its ratings are nowhere near the walking dead's ratings.

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