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Is the company really called Evil Corp or is that just what some people derogatorily call it? I thought the latter. I couldn't stay up to watch more than the first couple of minutes of episode 2, but when Mr. Linux called the company that, and I went back to check with CC on, I thought that perhaps this was an Eliot dream. In any case, I realize any response will result in a self induced spoiler. I will watch tonight to catch up.
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Is the company really called Evil Corp or is that just what some people derogatorily call it? I thought the latter. I couldn't stay up to watch more than the first couple of minutes of episode 2, but when Mr. Linux called the company that, and I went back to check with CC on, I thought that perhaps this was an Eliot dream. In any case, I realize any response will result in a self induced spoiler. I will watch tonight to catch up.
I'm not sure I'm gonna hang in there on this show, I thought the chat on the rail was ok until the end, just didn't sit right with me, got to have some shocking event in every show, seemed like a cheap attempt at something or taking a page from GoT.
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Is the company really called Evil Corp or is that just what some people derogatorily call it? I thought the latter.
The name of the company is ECorp. Elliot's nickname for it is Evil Corp. Because he is schizophrenic and the show is filtered through his perspective, that name then shows up everywhere else. When someone says "ECorp," he hears it as "Evil Corp."

Elliot is an unreliable narrator. It's ambiguous how much of what we see and hear on the show is real or just in his head.
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I'll admit I wasn't expected the push at the end.
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I think they foreshadowed it when they panned down. I do like the show and how we are seeing things from Elliot's POV. It throws the reality we are seeing into a tailspin as we don't know if this is just in his head or actually happening.


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Elliott is looking rather jaundice. He needs to pull that hoodie off and get some vitamin D. Hope this isn't a Fight Club all in his head crap.

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I think they foreshadowed it when they panned down. I do like the show and how we are seeing things from Elliot's POV. It throws the reality we are seeing into a tailspin as we don't know if this is just in his head or actually happening.


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That can be a very effective plot device if not used as a crutch to prop up poor writing. True Detective mastered it with the narrative describing events one way, then showing what actually happened...

I'm still skeptical that USA is way outside its wheelhouse with this kind of show...

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I'll admit I wasn't expected the push at the end.
It was kind of telegraphed in bright neon letters from the moment he was asked to "take a seat".
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Elliot is an unreliable narrator. It's ambiguous how much of what we see and hear on the show is real or just in his head.
After this episode, I am becoming convinced most of the story is not reality-based, but what is in his diseased noggin'.
The interactions with Mr. Robot is especially telling IMO.


Many of the characters seem to exist to validate his world view or his emotional desires.


I don't know if I can become an addict (pun intended) of a series like this...
Although I was a huge fan of Dexter, that series was an entirely different animal altogether.



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After this episode, I am becoming convinced most of the story is not reality-based, but what is in his diseased noggin'.
The interactions with Mr. Robot is especially telling IMO.
I agree that we can't tell how many of what we are shown as Elliot's perceptions are real or merely figments of his drug addled mind, which is one of the reasons I find this show to be so fascinating. Elliot is a remarkable unreliable narrator so we are just going to have to wait to learn how much, if any, of what he perceives is the real thing. So far, the show reminds me of a Darren Aronofsky film.
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I agree that we can't tell how many of what we are shown as Elliot's perceptions are real or merely figments of his drug addled mind,
It isn't the drugs that would fuel a departure from reality like this...it's the schizophrenia.


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It isn't the drugs that would fuel a departure from reality like this...it's the schizophrenia.



I gotta agree.
Though I'm on board with your theory that his experiences with Mr. Robot could be a hallucination, I don't believe he's schizophrenic. He doesn't show the classic symptoms of disorganized thinking and speech, though other observed symptoms are consistent (see Wikipedia list of symptoms below).

No way he's a top notch computer hacker, who can hold down a job and have any motivation and attention span to take down bad people on the side, with the level of schizophrenic condition that would also be the cause of his hallucinations, especially considering he's also using drugs, which alone would normally inhibit most people from functioning at that level. If he does turn out to be a full blown schizophrenic in the show, it would be another case of Hollywood misrepresenting a specific type of mental illness.

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Huh?
I thought I recalled from the pilot an explanation stating schizophrenia...maybe I was imagining it.



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His employers must have a pretty lax drug policy. I'm sure Opium is on the approved list.
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I thought I recalled from the pilot an explanation stating schizophrenia...maybe I was imagining it.
To the best of my recollection Eliot only ever acknowledged suffering from social anxiety (in the opening scene). In his first session with Krista, she does mention his anger issues and delusions (seeing men in black) and the meds she put him on for them. But that right there is a problem because she is specifically referred to as a psychologist, and psychologists in the state of New York (in fact, in most states) can't prescribe meds. So given that inconsistency, anything is possible in this show in regards to Eliot's actual mental condition, symptoms, and treatment.

I've personally interacted with schizophrenics before, and Eliot, as presented thus far in the show, is simply too calm (we haven't seen any outbursts), clear-thinking (he can solve difficult problems), self-aware (he's aware he's talking to a voice in his head), perceptive (he's able to accurately access other people's mental/emotional states), and goal-oriented (he's able to complete complex multi-step tasks to completion).
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His employers must have a pretty lax drug policy. I'm sure Opium is on the approved list.
A lot of companies have given up drug testing since so many things can set it off. Most figure, as long as you come to work each day and do your job properly, they don't care what substances you take on your own time.

The various places I've done work for in the past no longer bother checking. It's not worth the expense since most people pass, anyway. For the few that don't, they either still perform well enough (and avoid showing up high), or they are noticeably affected and don't last long.

Either way, testing is not as common as many think.

Companies these days are more concerned with how stupid you act on social media.
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Only two episodes and everyone seems to be concluding it's mostly or all in Elliot's head.

If that is the gimmick to this show, it's going to be all downhill.
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So given that inconsistency, anything is possible in this show in regards to Eliot's actual mental condition, symptoms, and treatment.

I've personally interacted with schizophrenics before, and Eliot, as presented thus far in the show, is simply too calm (we haven't seen any outbursts), clear-thinking (he can solve difficult problems), self-aware (he's aware he's talking to a voice in his head), perceptive (he's able to accurately access other people's mental/emotional states), and goal-oriented (he's able to complete complex multi-step tasks to completion).
In that case, I won't get anxious about it...otherwise, that would be...




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A lot of companies have given up drug testing since so many things can set it off. Most figure, as long as you come to work each day and do your job properly, they don't care what substances you take on your own time.
And that's the way it should be.
What people do on their own time is no f_cking business of their employers.

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It's funny how testing was never considered decades ago for alcohol abuse (see Mad Men).

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If that is the gimmick to this show, it's going to be all downhill.
If it becomes more obvious, viewers will drop off like flies.



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Only two episodes and everyone seems to be concluding it's mostly or all in Elliot's head.



If that is the gimmick to this show, it's going to be all downhill.

I wouldn't say that. We are seeing things from his POV. We know his mental condition so part of the "mystery" is what is actually real and what is not. Everything won't be just in his head, but some of it very possibly could be. Usually we see things from the outside with not that many tricks. Reminds me a lot of Fight Club.


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I wouldn't say that. We are seeing things from his POV. We know his mental condition so part of the "mystery" is what is actually real and what is not. Everything won't be just in his head, but some of it very possibly could be.
This lack of knowing is the problem.
Elliot's reality parameters need to be defined for the viewers.


We have no idea if the showrunners will use this open-ended question as protection from writing themselves into a corner, which is something we have seen before and is all too common in shows like this.
I mean, trust them NOT to jerk our chains after we have invested a lot of valuable time with the show?
Not many are willing to do that.



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This lack of knowing is the problem.
Elliot's reality parameters need to be defined for the viewers.
I don't think they do, I think that ambiguity is a major part of what makes the show interesting.

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We have no idea if the showrunners will use this open-ended question as protection from writing themselves into a corner, which is something we have seen before and is all too common in shows like this.
I mean, trust them NOT to jerk our chains after we have invested a lot of valuable time with the show?
Not many are willing to do that.
Yes, there's no telling what the writers will do, we can only hope that they don't take the easy way out.
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This lack of knowing is the problem.
Elliot's reality parameters need to be defined for the viewers.


We have no idea if the showrunners will use this open-ended question as protection from writing themselves into a corner, which is something we have seen before and is all too common in shows like this.
I mean, trust them NOT to jerk our chains after we have invested a lot of valuable time with the show?
Not many are willing to do that.

The show for renewed for a second season, so I'll give it some leeway we are only 2 episodes in and I would hope still in the "setup" portion of the story telling. Hopefully we get clues to see what if anything is not real. For a moment in the last episode I thought the meeting with ECorp was in his head as the room looked empty when the camera faced him at an angle. Of course the over people wouldn't be there but it was just a quick thought.


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At this point, all we do is hope.


However, the rope will be short with me.
If I see some sloppy, sneaky manipulation going on, it gets dumped.



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At this point, all we do is hope.


However, the rope will be short with me.
If I see some sloppy, sneaky manipulation going on, it gets dumped.
Yep. My finger is hovering over the delete button.

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They can't let it go too long if it's all in his head.

They can't wait a couple of seasons later and around episode 30, show that the preceding 29 episodes were all figments.

For one thing, there would be too many events to recall how they could have been imaginary vs. real.

And once they do the reveal, then what?

St. Elsewhere put it all at the end, though how an autistic kid had these imagined scenes of adult couples dealing with relationship issues is not explained.
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The pilot was terrific.
Finally watched ep01 and ep02 last night... really like the hole vibe of the show.
Hope they keep up the good work!

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