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I think of Jason and Scott telling Julia how Tai was not truly in the final three alliance and they'd be dumping him.

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I think of Jason and Scott telling Julia how Tai was not truly in the final three alliance and they'd be dumping him.

Joke's on you scum bags!

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Yes, exactly what I picked up on too. Ha! Of course, Jason will conveniently forget that and act bruised and vengeful. I do worry about Tai and possible blowback. But at least he can look at this episode, and the Jason/Scott conversation specifically, and know they never really cared for him too deeply.
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Scot sure did flip his tone during his exit interview. He acted with some class and respect at least. He couldnt have won, this big move just gives Tai even more of a chance to win, right now, its his to lose. Audry is doing well also, but Tai has more power with idols and the advantage.

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I wonder if Tai picked up Julia urging him to "play it, play it" with regard to the idol, before the votes were read. And if he did hear her, will he realize that she was just trying to flush out his idol?

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The bottom line here really is Tai's move flips the dynamic .. and since Scot was so flustered, he took the other Idol with him instead of handing it back to Jason, Tai holds the only remaining found Idol .. and they all know it .. the Season suddenly got a bit more interesting ..

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I thought that was one of the biggest blindsides in Survivor history. But I'm sure the rest of you out there will probably find others that were equal or bigger.
From the standpoint of Scot having absolutely no Earthly idea that Tai would deny the Idol, this one's got to rank in at least the top five or better .. and as Scot just kept looking at Tai and expecting the Idol to be coughed up, man, oh man, what a moment .. this is the kind of stuff that has kept me watching all these years ..

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The bottom line here really is Tai's move flips the dynamic .. and since Scot was so flustered, he took the other Idol with him instead of handing it back to Jason, Tai holds the only remaining found Idol .. and they all know it .. the Season suddenly got a bit more interesting ..
I doubt that once a player has been voted out they can give an idol they are holding to another contestant still in the game.
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While it made for good TV,Tai made his road harder not easier. He has no real allies,Aubry is a temporary ally and will not want to sit with him in then end,and the other players most likely feel the same. While Tai could go on immunity run and get to the end like Mike did last year it is going to be hard. Tai would have been better off with the two meat shields. The scene where Scot and Jason discussed getting rid of Tai down the road may have been for Julia's benefit so that there was no wasted super idol play at tribal. Aubry has to get some credit for being really tough and working Tai after being a mess previously. I have a feeling that the winner might not be very satisfying this season. Once Scot was voted out he couldn't hand over his idol. It is out of the game. Jason should have kept it till it was time to use it.
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I doubt that once a player has been voted out they can give an idol they are holding to another contestant still in the game.
Agree. If they could, I think it would have been done in a prior season.. but it hasn't, as best as I can remember.

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While it made for good TV,Tai made his road harder not easier. He has no real allies,Aubry is a temporary ally and will not want to sit with him in then end,and the other players most likely feel the same. While he could go on immunity run and get to the end like Mike did last year it is going to be hard. Tai would have been better off with the two meat shields. The scene where Scot and Jason discussed getting rid of Tai down the road may have been for Julia's benefit so that there was no wasted super idol play at tribal. Aubry has to get some credit for being really tough and working Tai after being a mess previously. I have a feeling that the winner might not be very satisfying this season. Once Scot was voted out he couldn't hand over his idol. It is out of the game. Jason should have kept it till it was time to use it.
I loved your line about about meat shields. Very funny!
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I don't see how this is a good move for Tai. He blindsided Scot who had been his ally since the tribe shakeup. Michelle and Julia were also blindsided as they both voted for Tai. Tai is now allied with Aubry, Cydney and Joe with a target on his back since he has an idol and an advantage. He could have used the super idol to save Scot and kept two bigger targets them him in the game along with two goats. Tai would still have had his advantage that no one knows what it is.Instead he sent Scot to the jury a person who will likely not vote for Tai if he is in the finals. You also have Debbie on the jury who has said she wants a woman to win. I also don't see Tai as the first choice of either Neal or Nick at final tribal.Going to the end with Jason and Scot would be the best way for Tai to win.
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Agree with everyone - great episode. My wife was worried everyone was going to vote Tai and he would be the one left empty-handed when the other jerks didn't give up the other idol. Glad it turned out the other way!

My wife had a great line when Debbie walked onto the jury - "She looks so much better with her clothes on!". ha!
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I don't see how this is a good move for Tai. He blindsided Scot who had been his ally since the tribe shakeup. Michelle and Julia were also blindsided as they both voted for Tai. Tai is now allied with Aubry, Cydney and Joe with a target on his back since he has an idol and an advantage. He could have used the super idol to save Scot and kept two bigger targets them him in the game along with two goats. Tai would still have had his advantage that no one knows what it is.Instead he sent Scot to the jury a person who will likely not vote for Tai if he is in the finals. You also have Debbie on the jury who has said she wants a woman to win. I also don't see Tai as the first choice of either Neal or Nick at final tribal.Going to the end with Jason and Scot would be the best way for Tai to win.
Tai's good-natured-ness got the best of him(self).
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One of the craziest moments in Survivor history, for sure. But as others have pointed out, Tai might have potentially screwed himself over by doing that. If he goes to the final 3 with Scot and Jason, he wins easily.

Now he has no real alliance (unless you count Aubry) and if the girls really want to, they can band together to flush his idol/advantage and then get rid of him eventually. Jason and Scot probably aren't voting for him at the end, since they'll probably still be fuming instead of respecting the move. He could still make it to the end have a solid resume, but I'm not necessarily sure who is voting for him to win at that point, even if he is the most deserving.

Long way to go still, but hopefully a replenished idol pops up to spice things up.
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And now there's no "super" idol unless there's another unfound idol out there. If Jason had kept his idol, could he and Tai saved Scot? Or does the "savee" have to have part of the super idol?

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I don't see how this is a good move for Tai. He blindsided Scot who had been his ally since the tribe shakeup. Michelle and Julia were also blindsided as they both voted for Tai. Tai is now allied with Aubry, Cydney and Joe with a target on his back since he has an idol and an advantage. He could have used the super idol to save Scot and kept two bigger targets them him in the game along with two goats. Tai would still have had his advantage that no one knows what it is.Instead he sent Scot to the jury a person who will likely not vote for Tai if he is in the finals. You also have Debbie on the jury who has said she wants a woman to win. I also don't see Tai as the first choice of either Neal or Nick at final tribal.Going to the end with Jason and Scot would be the best way for Tai to win.
Tai discussed this on camera. He said it was Jason and Scott making all the decisions and never asking him what he wanted and he knew in that group he was bottom three and could be voted out, they were using him. He said if he switched, then maybe the other group would see him as someone they can now trust and he would have a better standing in that group then bullied around. Plus he still has his idol so he can use it to keep going.
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Plus, you have to remember that if Tai had played the SI to save Scot, that would have left him and Aubry tied with the most votes. He could have (would have?) gone home during the tie-breaker, either by revote or drawing rocks. So not saving Scot was a no-brainer, if only temporary.
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Tai discussed this on camera. He said it was Jason and Scott making all the decisions and never asking him what he wanted and he knew in that group he was bottom three and could be voted out, they were using him. He said if he switched, then maybe the other group would see him as someone they can now trust and he would have a better standing in that group then bullied around. Plus he still has his idol so he can use it to keep going.
Exactly .. it was evident and clearly / stupidly, the Meatheads were basically ignoring Tai and just using him to further themselves in the Game .. had Tai given up his Idol and saved Scot, his value to them would have diminished substantially if Tai had remained in the Game .. when Tai said something to the effect of "I'm not here to make good friends" .. that really was the tell, IMO .. he was talking about Scot and Jason ..


If Tai had given up the Idol, he and Aubrey were then tied on vote outs, this increasing the odds that Tai would be voted out on the re-vote since he would not be voting ..


Tai made the smart move, because, after all .. it's Outwit, Outlast, Outplay .. which he very neatly accomplished on all counts .. I believe the icing on this Cake was Tai also cast his vote at Tribal against Scot if memory serves ..


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Exactly .. it was evident and clearly / stupidly, the Meatheads were basically ignoring Tai and just using him to further themselves in the Game .. had Tai given up his Idol and saved Scot, his value to them would have diminished substantially if Tai had remained in the Game .. when Tai said something to the effect of "I'm not here to make good friends" .. that really was the tell, IMO .. he was talking about Scot and Jason ..


If Tai had given up the Idol, he and Aubrey were then tied on vote outs, this increasing the odds that Tai would be voted out on the re-vote since he would not be voting ..


Tai made the smart move, because, after all .. it's Outwit, Outlast, Outplay .. which he very neatly accomplished on all counts .. I believe the icing on this Cake was Tai also cast his vote at Tribal against Scot if memory serves ..


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You know what would have been even more perfect, is if in the previous episode when they both gave Tai the idols, and then Jeff asks if anyone has an Idol, Tai stands up and says, Jeff I am going to play JASON's idol but keep my idol and then give Jason's idol to one of the women going home.

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You know what would have been even more perfect, is if in the previous episode when they both gave Tai the idols, and then Jeff asks if anyone has an Idol, Tai stands up and says, Jeff I am going to play JASON's idol but keep my idol and then give Jason's idol to one of the women going home.
Yes .. or after they went back to Camp, Tai kept both Idols and told the Meatheads to take a hike ..

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None of my friends that watch the show are upset that Scot it gone. On the flip side, he wouldn't have been a bad person to be sitting in the finals with.

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Why would Aubrey tell Tai to not play the idol???
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Why would Aubrey tell Tai to not play the idol???
Not exactly what I got out of it. She felt he was safe, but said use your gut.

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Why would Aubrey tell Tai to not play the idol???

my read is that she was being straight-forward to build up trust with Tai.


She must not be remotely thinking of turning on him (or thinks she may be able to use that idol in tandem down the road should they need it) or else, yes, it would be so easy to say, "Tai, I have a bad feeling, I think you are at risk" to get the idol out.


so, yes, it shows a tight alliance between the two or Aubrey wasn't thinking bigger picture.
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Wow!

As presented/edited + tribal comments, it left me thinking Tai was done.

Good move, saving his idol!
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Darn. More eye candy gone.

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The season has shaped up so far to be very good .. initially, I really had my doubts about Tai and his personal philosophy, however, he has turned out to be a great player / Kung Fu is strong in this one .. if he can make it to Final Tribal, I think he's a lock to win .. his odds are not bad .. still has an Idol and the Advantage .. if he can snag an Immunity to two, he's golden, I think ..

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Julia sealed Her own fate a few episodes back snitching on the others plans to Scott & Jason ...
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Julia sealed Her own fate a few episodes back snitching on the others plans to Scott & Jason ...
True, but she knew she wasn't in a top 3 with the others and if she did make it she would have no resume for the jury. As she said, she'd rather make a move to try for the win and get voted out than get drug to the end and get no votes.
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Why would Aubrey tell Tai to not play the idol???
In addition to what was already stated, she also is not one of them that is part of the group saying they should flip on Tai. When they brought it up all she said was that there are a lot of things to think about. She never went along with it. So she was just being upfront with him, she thought he was safe (which he was) and to follow his gut.

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