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Surprised the Masters did this due to their sparse coverage until a few years ago (front nine was never televised even on weekends) but who watches 3 holes when they watch a Major golf tournament?
I certainly did when Amen Corner was the only part in HD. I imagine a lot of 4k set owners will do the same thing. Especially if they're like me and have more than one display in the same room. We still tend to leave Amen Corner up on the main screen, especially with the early players. CBS goes on another screen until the big guns hit the back 9.

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wasn't the entire AT&T tournament 4k hdr on all holes to start the season in February?
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Has anyone here purchased (not rented) a movie on DiirecTV? How does that work actually? Does the movie stay on your hard drive? If you changed your set top box for a newer one how do you get your movie back?
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Anyone with a 15 or 16 samsung that cannot get hlg hdr from direct seeing color issues if your hdmi color is set to on for that input? Ive just recently noticed colors on both regular channels and 104 and 106 seemed slightly washed out when it is on versus when i turn it off. Colors seem deeper when it is off, tested some last night when the hockey game was on. I have a ks9800. I was thinking even if i cant get hdr from direct at least yet turning on uhd color would give me WCG, but everything looks slightly washed out. Samsung owners 2015 and 2016 owners chime in and tell me if you are seeing this also.

I got sick of dealing with the 1080 to 4K not checked and the HLG not working, so I went with the RVU route.
Needles to say no more issues with the resolution, and HLG works now been this way going on 4 months and only issue I have is some channels get sound to be choppy but pause it for 2 seconds and let it play no problems

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Anyone with a 15 or 16 samsung that cannot get hlg hdr from direct seeing color issues if your hdmi color is set to on for that input? Ive just recently noticed colors on both regular channels and 104 and 106 seemed slightly washed out when it is on versus when i turn it off. Colors seem deeper when it is off, tested some last night when the hockey game was on. I have a ks9800. I was thinking even if i cant get hdr from direct at least yet turning on uhd color would give me WCG, but everything looks slightly washed out. Samsung owners 2015 and 2016 owners chime in and tell me if you are seeing this also.

I got sick of dealing with the 1080 to 4K not checked and the HLG not working, so I went with the RVU route.
Needles to say no more issues with the resolution, and HLG works now been this way going on 4 months and only issue I have is some channels get sound to be choppy but pause it for 2 seconds and let it play no problems[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG]
To get rvu do you just hard wire into the tv?
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I got sick of dealing with the 1080 to 4K not checked and the HLG not working, so I went with the RVU route.
Needles to say no more issues with the resolution, and HLG works now been this way going on 4 months and only issue I have is some channels get sound to be choppy but pause it for 2 seconds and let it play no problems
How's the remote response time compared to STB?

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To get rvu do you just hard wire into the tv?
Yes hardwired network connection.

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How's the remote response time compared to STB?

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I would have to say the same if not a bit quicker!

Been so long don't remember, might have to check out the bedroom and see how it works I dont watch tv in bed but she does

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To get rvu do you just hard wire into the tv?
Yes hardwired network connection.
Ill have to buy a longer ethernet cable, are you getting hdr and the wide color gamut on your ks9000 using rvu?
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Yes, but only way to tell is checking the expert picture settings and backlight is all the way up! Plus you dont have to mess with the HDMI UHD color setting
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To get rvu do you just hard wire into the tv?
officially you need a coax from the swm splitter to the tv location
then a deca installed. the deca connects to the tv via ethernet

connecting a to your network is not supported, usually works fine, and will be one of the first things they want to change if you have issues
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officially you need a coax from the swm splitter to the tv location
then a deca installed. the deca connects to the tv via ethernet

connecting a to your network is not supported, usually works fine, and will be one of the first things they want to change if you have issues
Option 2 is what I use for both my TVs and it works great for me. I have a Gb switch, but it worked with my older switch as well. I connect my Genie and TV "hardwired" with no DECA, but BOTH need to be hardwired to the same network.
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Has anyone here purchased (not rented) a movie on DiirecTV? How does that work actually? Does the movie stay on your hard drive? If you changed your set top box for a newer one how do you get your movie back?
I bought Dunkirk 4K when DirecTV gave away a rental OR a purchase, in January. It’s in my account. I can download it anytime and every time. It’s on my purchased list. It’s stored in the cloud. I can stream or download. And redownload.

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I bought Dunkirk 4K when DirecTV gave away a rental OR a purchase, in January. It’s in my account. I can download it anytime and every time. It’s on my purchased list. It’s stored in the cloud. I can stream or download. And redownload.
So is the movie only available with Directv, no other service? What if you ditch Directv how can you still have it?

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Just scheduled my 4K upgrade for next Monday. I have one 4K TV, a Sony XBR930e, in the FR, and one other TV, a Sony W900a, in the BR. I have a HR54-200 currently connected to the 930 via HDMI and a C51-500 connected to the 900 also via HDMI. I have read the last 500 or so posts and am still a bit confused about what I should do as far as equipment upgrade? Keep the HR54 and just get one c61k? Do I connect them together? I cannot fit the hs17 into my FR furniture, thanks OPPO 205, so can I put a hs17 in the BR and connect it some how to a c61k in the FR? They are not close in proximity. My apologies for my lack of understanding and I have been rather lucky with most installers, but I would like to have a plan before their arrival. Just my wife and I and we watch and delete recordings. Many thanks.
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  • you have one UHD TV, so you'll need one 4k client eg c61k
  • HR54 support one 4k client, so it's your path - get one c61k for 930e
  • installer will take care how to connect c61k to your 930e
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Switching from Comcast to DirecTV 4K

After many, many years with Comcast I am fed up with the periodic outages and quality of the HD, which on my 144" screen really requires higher quality HD. Plus I am also tired of waiting for Comcast to do anything with broadcast 4K. My friend is telling me about how great this game and that game looked in 4K with his DirecTV, so I think it's time to join the party. The other option may be Layer3, which is available in my area, but limited in other ways (such as no access to records or ondemand from mobile devices).

Some questions please:

1. Has anyone compared the HD quality of FIOS to DirecTV? I understand DirecTV is said to be best, but how close are the two? Marginal, or more significant than that?

2. Since AT&T does not offer broadband in my area, this means that when I switch from Comcast I will need to go to FIOS for Internet. Therefore it would be far more economical to give up the 4K channels and go with FIOS for TV also, instead of DirecTV. But if the HD quality is significantly better on DirecTV I may just have to do both FIOS for Internet and DirecTV for TV. Downside will be the cost. If anyone has a suggestion on how to get DirecTV and FIOS at a cheaper rate, please let me know.

3. On the DirecTV website it just lists the "Genie HD" boxes. Says nothing about Genie 2. Are all boxes Genie boxes now Genie 2?

4. I'll need 3 4K boxes and 3 HD boxes. What hardware do I want to ask for?

5. IIRC there is some limitation based on recording while also playing back? How many shows can I watch/record at once with their best DVR option?

6. Regarding the dish itself, if I understood correctly, they are moving in 2018 (if not already) do a new dish for 4K? I think this one: DIRECTV Ka/Ku Slimline Dish HD Antenna with Digital Reverse Band 3 UltraHD 4K LNB (SLSP-3D2RBLNB). If I order 4K service, will they provide me with that dish? If not, I suppose I need to request it, if it's even available yet?

7. I do not want to use my Wifi for any TV, mainly for reliability purposes. I do, however, have coax from cable TV in all locations where I need to connect a box. Is there an easy way where I can have the genie and minis talking to each other via my existing coax and avoid any wireless? Unless the wireless is going to be 100.000% reliable even across a large 3 level home?

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Genie 2 is HS17, see posts for it in the thread ; it support streaming only two UHD channels via two c61k, but you can have three c61k; cabling is good to connect HS17 to clients; dish and cabling will be included into new install; HS17 support seven clients simultaneously; HD and UHD PQ is better then by cablecos
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Genie 2 is HS17, see posts for it in the thread ; it support streaming only two UHD channels via two c61k, but you can have three c61k; cabling is good to connect HS17 to clients; dish and cabling will be included into new install; HS17 support seven clients simultaneously; HD and UHD PQ is better then by cablecos
DirecTV was able to tell me that the minis will be c61k units. But could only say that the main box would be a "Genie" and not give me a model # like HS17. How can I make sure that I get the Genie 2 and not original Genie?

Also regarding this article here: https://www.solidsignal.com/t.asp?ta...tv-4k-ultra-hd :
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During the launch period, you will only need a standard Slimline dish. However, we expect that sometime in 2018 a new dish will be required for DIRECTV 4K service. That new dish will be needed because 4K programming will move to new satellite frequencies. This is the dish that you will need. If you have a Slimline dish already, you may be able to upgrade it rather than replace it.
The new dish they refer to in that article links to this one: https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=slsp-3d2rblnb "DIRECTV Ka/Ku Slimline Dish HD Antenna with Digital Reverse Band 3 UltraHD 4K LNB (SLSP-3D2RBLNB)".

What that 4K frequency shift they are talking about happened and that dish now required? DirecTV cannot tell me in advance what dish I will get. So of course I want to avoid a situation where I get new service in a week and then a few months from now I have to pay to upgrade or replace the dish they just installed. So I want to require they install this dish, however no one at DirecTV has any idea what I'm talking about...

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you will press the installer for RB LNB, but usually all of them knew the future shift to RB and do install RB DLNB, just be persistent during install process
same for HS17 server - vocalize the fact: you have more then 1 UHD TV and only HS17 can support two 4k streams simultaniously (HR54 serving just one 4k TV)

if the tech have no HS17 nor RB DLNB in his truck, just refuse the install, do postpone it with the tech or/and call DTV if the tech will not follow your request
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you will press the installer for RB LNB, but usually all of them knew the future shift to RB and do install RB DLNB, just be persistent during install process
same for HS17 server - vocalize the fact: you have more then 1 UHD TV and only HS17 can support two 4k streams simultaniously (HR54 serving just one 4k TV)

if the tech have no HS17 nor RB DLNB in his truck, just refuse the install, do postpone it with the tech or/and call DTV if the tech will not follow your request
Thanks! Just to be clear, what is the right dish to accept? Should I accept only the one I linked to (https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=slsp-3d2rblnb), or are there other RB LNB dishes that are OK as well?

Also some questions about maybe using the HS54 instead... It is OK with me if I can only do 4K on just my main 4K TV (or on just one of my 2 4K TVs at a time) if it means a more reliable and flexible (more turners) setup, especially given the limited amount of 4K broadcast content. After more research it seems some people prefer the HS54 instead, along with multiple HDDVR units, because supposedly the HS17 has been pretty buggy, and also can cause conflicts due to not enough tuners. In particular, please see this post: https://forums.att.com/t5/DIRECTV-Ac...ht/true#M18494 .

So I wonder now about going with the HR54 instead, even though it means only 1 4K stream at a time. I am not sure I understand the way the amount of tuners in this scenario works. Overall I have 2 4K TVs and 4 more TVs, so 6 in total.

Scenario 1: This would have 1 HR54, 1 C61K connected to the 4K TV, and 4 HD DVRs. I think this gives me 5 tuners for HR54 plus 8 more from the HD DVRs, for a total of 13. If all 6 TVs are on at the same time (with either 0 or 1 4K stream), I THINK (?) this means I have 13 minus 6 = 7 tuners available to record shows while all 6 TVs are in use. And for storage capacity I have 200 hours of HD recording from the HR54, plus 4 x 100 hours of HD from the 4 HD DVRs, for a total of 600 hours of HD (or about 150 hours of 4K). Are all my assumptions here correct and this will work as I think, limited to only ever watching 4K on the one TV where the C61K is connected?

Scenario 2: This is similar to the above scenario, except I get one more C61K and one less HD DVR, so that I can watch 4K on either of the 2 4K TVs, but not at the same time. So here I would have 1 HR54, 2 C61K, and 3 HD DVRs. I THINK (?) this means I have 5 tuners for the HR54 plus 6 more for the HD DVRs, with 0 from the C61K, for a total of 11 tuners. If all 6 TVs are on at the same time, then I have 11 minus 6 = 5 tuners available to record shows while all 6 TVs are in use. And for storage capacity I have 200 hours from HR54, plus 3 x 100 from 3 HD DVRs, for a total of 500 hours of HD (or about 100 hours of 4K). Do I have this this right? If so, then I would be trading 100 hours of HD recording plus 2 less tuners, for the ability to watching 4K from 2 TVs, but not at the same time. Do I have all this correct?

Question: If I have these scenarios correct - do I get extra tuners available if some TVs are NOT being used when the tuner is needed for recording? For instance, let's say that the TV where the HR54 is installed and TV where a HD DVR is installed are rarely turned on and being watched. In that case, does that count as two extra tuners, as long as those TVs are not being watched? So for example in scenario 2 would I actually have 7 tuners available for recording most of the time, if those TVs are rarely watched? If that's the case I would go with scenario 2 since I still get 7 tuners for recording most of the time, with at least 5 tuners (still enough) in any event (if all TVs are being watched), because this way I have flexibility to watch 4K from either TV.

Scenario 3: Assuming I can even get the HS57 (from what I determined from that link to the DirecTV forum, apparently the HS54 is only available to EXISTING customers), a HS17 with all C61K would give me 7 tuners total. If all 6 TVs were being watched at the same time I would have only 1 tuners left for recording, and if all 6 TVs were on at the same time and I was watching one 4K stream. then I would have 0 tuners available for recording. Yes? More realistically let's say 4 TVs were on at the same time, this would leave 3 tuners to record or 2 tuners if 4K was also being watched on one TV, or 1 tuner if 4K was being watched simultaneously on 2 TVs. Do I have this scenario right?

Scenario 4: Realizing that the HD DVR boxes are quite big, I have no room for that on the kitchen TV (HD, not 4K). In which case I may do 1 HR54, with 3 C61K, and 2 HD DVRs. This way I can put a C61K in the kitchen for size convenient. This would give me 9 tuners total, and 5 tuners available assuming no more than 4 TVs were being used at any time with no 4K streams or 4 tuners with 1 4K stream or 3 tuners left is 2 4K simultaneous streams, along with 400 HD recording hours. If my scenarios are all correct, then I'd likely go with this scenario.

Question: DirecTV apparently does not offer any short grace period to cancel the 2 year contract if we are not satisfied with how things work or the reliability of the set up or service. Is there any way to get out of the contract after accepting the installation but within a short period like 3 days or 7 days or 14 days etc if we are not happy with how things work? This is my main hesitation.

I have made several assumptions in the above scenarios, so hopefully you can confirm if my assumptions and scenarios are correct. Thank you!
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Seems to me you got good grasp of many variants ...
as I see it, your choice would be Scenario#4 (many customers prefer to extend own setup by adding independent HD DVRs [HR24] and get HR54 with one 4k stream (not that much content to load all your 3 UHD TVs); it will be more flexible config, plus any box's failure will not affect other DVRs; so far it's only one case when you could RV-ing with one HR24 conveniently.
Basically there is only one DLNB Gen2 (22 tuners support), it has RB what installer carry in his van. DLNB could have slightly different name due of different mfg.

[ there are HR54 and HS17, not HS57 nor HR17 ]
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Seems to me you got good grasp of many variants ...
as I see it, your choice would be Scenario#4 (many customers prefer to extend own setup by adding independent HD DVRs [HR24] and get HR54 with one 4k stream (not that much content to load all your 3 UHD TVs); it will be more flexible config, plus any box's failure will not affect other DVRs; so far it's only one case when you could RV-ing with one HR24 conveniently.
Basically there is only one DLNB Gen2 (22 tuners support), it has RB what installer carry in his van. DLNB could have slightly different name due of different mfg.

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So then any TV connected to a HR24 which is NOT being watched at the time provides two tuners for recording at that time, and one tuner for recording if that TV is being watched, yes?

Same thing for the HR54, except it is 5 tuners if the TV it's connected to and the TVs the C61K are connected to are not being watched. Less one tuner for if the TV it's connected to is being watched, less one tuner for each C61K it's connected tonare being watched, except less two tuners (instead of one) if one of the C61K are sending 4K. Yes?

So now it remains to be seen whether DirecTV will let me order service as a new customer with HD DVRs. They may insist to send only HR54 with only C61K clients (certainly their online ordering system only gives this C61K option).

Regarding the physical dish, are you saying that as long as it is a reverse LNB dish I will be fine and will not need any new dish when they change the 4K frequencies rumored to happen sometime in 2018? Short of taking the installers word for it, how can I tell / verify it's a reverse LNB dish by looking at it or checking its model #? By default to all techs carry this new/better dish in their truck and it would be a fluke not to get the right dish?
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Just inject a some metal tone in your voice when ask a question of the tech " is it RB Gen 2 DLNB" ?

Counting tuners is correct, may be it will little bit relaxing if you'll watch and record same channel/program simultaneously.

As to HD DVRs [HR24], that's your call, be persistent.
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Just inject a some metal tone in your voice when ask a question of the tech " is it RB Gen 2 DLNB" ?
Yes I will ask the tech, however I want to verify it with my own eyes... What would I look for? A particular list of model #s , or perhaps RB DLNB has some sort of part or design I can look for that is not on other dishes? The dish I have been linking to apparently has 3 LNB. Is that what I want to look for?
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To get rvu do you just hard wire into the tv?

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officially you need a coax from the swm splitter to the tv location
then a deca installed. the deca connects to the tv via ethernet

connecting a to your network is not supported, usually works fine, and will be one of the first things they want to change if you have issues




From everything I've read and asked on DBSTalk forum a truck roll for RVU in either method of installation is required.
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Yes I will ask the tech, however I want to verify it with my own eyes... What would I look for? A particular list of model #s , or perhaps RB DLNB has some sort of part or design I can look for that is not on other dishes? The dish I have been linking to apparently has 3 LNB. Is that what I want to look for?
I'm on chilling weekly "vacation" at dbstalk, so get reading of all the DLNB models with support RB in a thread there... as I recall it's like "3D2R..." by posters like slice1900, HoTat2 ...
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From everything I've read and asked on DBSTalk forum a truck roll for RVU in either method of installation is required.
Not if you have an existing 4k client and/or another regular client cause you can transfer it automatically just run thru the on-screen menu this is what I did. My RVU in samsung took the dining rooms regular clients spot and not have 2 4k tv's running one on client and other on RVU while that old client is sitting on a shelf now!

I haven't found a contractor or dtv guy that would even do the RVU they would try there best to talk you out of it.

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