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Did not realize it was a problem with my Sony 930D; for me, it's easier just to re-check the box in the DIRECTV menu....
The 930D shouldn't be effected since it doesn't support DV. Did your 930D just receive a software update before you started getting blanking?

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My PQ on the Masters today on Directv 4K station was very mediocre. It must be the settings as it actually looked better on our local CBS affiliate. Was getting correct resolution and System info showed HLG. It there a settings that are specifically set up for 4K that you have been happy with?
I thought it looked incredible! Turning to CBS made me feel like i just took my contacts out
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The 930D shouldn't be effected since it doesn't support DV. Did your 930D just receive a software update before you started getting blanking?
Just the latest update (Nougat) last month; DV??..... DIRECTV UHD supports HDR/HLG (do not think DV)...and resolution box checks itself ONLY every once in awhile.

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Just the latest update (Nougat) last month; DV??..... DIRECTV UHD supports HDR/HLG (do not think DV)...and resolution box checks itself ONLY every once in awhile.
Not talking about DV "for" DirecTV...it was the DV Sony update that started the problem on the X1E chipset TVs. But...since you are saying you have blanking on a 930D with DirecTV (and that is with a C61K correct?)...it very well could be that this problem is more widespread and many (myself included) assumed it was related to Sony's DV update since I have only been looking at X1E TV threads (930E, 940E, Z9D, A1E) looking for the problem. So if your 930D just recently received a firmware update and you now have blanking the problem may be associated with some modification that was made elsewhere within the OS of the TV.


Edit: Of course we could also be talking about entirely different things. I am referring to the situation where randomly while watching an SDR program on DirecTV (although it is not limited to DirecTV...but it seems to be the most prevalent), the video "blanks out" for a brief moment looking like a almost instantaneous black screen inserted. The duration of each blanking event can also vary but most are pretty much split second and the events are very random following no particular pattern.

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It is a Sony problem. Do you have your C61K hooked through an AVR? One thing you can do is turn HDR off on the input you are using on the Sony...a pain yes, but it will stop the "blanking"...just have to remember to turn HDR back to AUTO when you want to watch HDR material via that input (including HLG stuff on Directv which ironically does not show the blanking problem).
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The belief is this is on the Sony side as others are reporting the "blinking" problem with various sources besides DTV across the Sony threads.
I do have my Sony & C61K connected to my Denon 6200 - and have seen mention of the "turn HDR" off on the 930e thread. I did use the Netflix internal streaming function on the 930e last night and saw zero blinking during an 1 1/2 film. I was initially concerned that I had a problem with the Sony itself - now it seems clear that the problem is more to do with the actual DirecTV interface that - hopefully - Sony and/or DirecTV will solve quickly!

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I do have my Sony & C61K connected to my Denon 6200 - and have seen mention of the "turn HDR" off on the 930e thread. I did use the Netflix internal streaming function on the 930e last night and saw zero blinking during an 1 1/2 film. I was initially concerned that I had a problem with the Sony itself - now it seems clear that the problem is more to do with the actual DirecTV interface that - hopefully - Sony and/or DirecTV will solve quickly!
It's not just the DirecTV to Sony connection. It is any device connected via HDMI to Sony DV TVs but the C61K appears to be the most prevalent "offender" (and then it "seems" to only be an issue if an AVR is in the chain).

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Not talking about DV "for" DirecTV...it was the DV Sony update that started the problem on the X1E chipset TVs. But...since you are saying you have blanking on a 930D with DirecTV (and that is with a C61K correct?)...it very well could be that this problem is more widespread and many (myself included) assumed it was related to Sony's DV update since I have only been looking at X1E TV threads (930E, 940E, Z9D, A1E) looking for the problem. So if your 930D just recently received a firmware update and you now have blanking the problem may be associated with some modification that was made elsewhere within the OS of the TV.


Edit: Of course we could also be talking about entirely different things. I am referring to the situation where randomly while watching an SDR program on DirecTV (although it is not limited to DirecTV...but it seems to be the most prevalent), the video "blanks out" for a brief moment looking like a almost instantaneous black screen inserted. The duration of each blanking event can also vary but most are pretty much split second and the events are very random following no particular pattern.
No, wrong problem....

Every once in awhile, when switching to DIRECTV UHD ( channels 104, 105, 106) the 4K Resolution had reverted back to 1080i resolution...then the user has to go into Settings Menu, TV Resolution page, and click on the 4k radio button to switch resolution back to 4k...its pretty well known problem amongst DIRECTV 4K users...quite random from my research.
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So, from what I've read - is this issue related to the DV update that didn't allow DV to pass through hdmi?

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So, from what I've read - is this issue related to the DV update that didn't allow DV to pass through hdmi?
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No, wrong problem....

Every once in awhile, when switching to DIRECTV UHD ( channels 104, 105, 106) the 4K Resolution had reverted back to 1080i resolution...then the user has to go into Settings Menu, TV Resolution page, and click on the 4k radio button to switch resolution back to 4k...its pretty well known problem amongst DIRECTV 4K users...quite random from my research.
Oh THAT issue...yeah, that's all on DirecTV.

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So, from what I've read - is this issue related to the DV update that didn't allow DV to pass through hdmi?
Okay, let's clarify...the Sony "blanking issue" showed up when any version of the Sony DV firmware was/is installed on the TV but does NOT have anything to do with trying to get DV or anything else from DirecTV (as we know DirecTV does not do DV and to my knowledge has no plans to do it). The only reason to say DV at all is in relation to what Sony firmware initiated the problem. No doubt the problem is primarily on Sony's end but the C61K "seems" to be the most problematic source device to trigger the issue.


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This time, DirecTV is telling me I'm going to lose a number of Music Choice channels starting in May. Taste Of Italy, Classical Masterpieces, Nature Sounds and some others. However, the monthly charge for Music Choice will come off of my bill. Woooo. a whole three dollars. If I want to keep the channels, I need to upgrade my package. BUT.. from what I can tell, some of them are on 110 or 119 as selecting the channels either results in no audio or the wrong audio. My Tampa dish doesn't do 110 or 119. I used to know which Sonic Tap channels were on which bird, but never bothered to look up MC channel locations.

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Yeah, i get the 4k channels. My issue is not getting hdr because i have a samsung ks9800 which doesnt get hlg over hdmi.. at least yet
I get hlg/hdr over the RVU on my ks8000
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Yeah, I have that bookmarked. Just hadn't bothered. All of the listed channels I'd lose are on 119, as I assumed.

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Okay, let's clarify...the Sony "blanking issue" showed up when any version of the Sony DV firmware was/is installed on the TV but does NOT have anything to do with trying to get DV or anything else from DirecTV (as we know DirecTV does not do DV and to my knowledge has no plans to do it). The only reason to say DV at all is in relation to what Sony firmware initiated the problem. No doubt the problem is primarily on Sony's end but the C61K "seems" to be the most problematic source device to trigger the issue.


Now back to our regularly scheduled DirecTV programming...
The "blanking" seems to be more prevalent lately, C61K>Denon X4200>Input 2 on Z9D. There was a Directv flash update this evening but I don't know what it updated, if anything related to our issue. I have HDR turned off. Lately the C61K loses picture, TV screen goes blank, then picture reappears, like its re-acquiring the signal??? Running premium certified HS cables from Monoprice. I am still waiting for Dolby Vision update for both my Denon X4200 and Oppo. Maybe those firmware updates will fix current issue???
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The "blanking" seems to be more prevalent lately, C61K>Denon X4200>Input 2 on Z9D. There was a Directv flash update this evening but I don't know what it updated, if anything related to our issue. I have HDR turned off. Lately the C61K loses picture, TV screen goes blank, then picture reappears, like its re-acquiring the signal??? Running premium certified HS cables from Monoprice. I am still waiting for Dolby Vision update for both my Denon X4200 and Oppo. Maybe those firmware updates will fix current issue???
perhaps you did not read same recommendation repeated so many times here - connect C61k to TV directly and use optical cable to connect C61k to AVR; same point for "re-acquiring the signal" idea - nope, it's HDCP negotiation happening again and again
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perhaps you did not read same recommendation repeated so many times here - connect C61k to TV directly and use optical cable to connect C61k to AVR; same point for "re-acquiring the signal" idea - nope, it's HDCP negotiation happening again and again
OK I will try that, defeats the purpose of running everything thru the AVR. Thanks for the advice!!

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So, I (apparently naively) assumed that a new install would give me 4K. Quickly find out after some investigating that I was given an hr44 and only later find out that you need extra hardware. So just confirming...the only current way to get 4K to a single tv is through either 54/61k combo or a HR54 and rvu setup, both of which involving a second outlet fee? That seems absurd. To their credit they are sending someone out next week with with an HR54, but at this point I’m wondering if I should wait for a single box solution for 4k rather than pay for the additional hardware now and then again when a more elegant solution is available.

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you will press the installer for RB LNB, but usually all of them knew the future shift to RB and do install RB DLNB, just be persistent during install process
same for HS17 server - vocalize the fact: you have more then 1 UHD TV and only HS17 can support two 4k streams simultaniously (HR54 serving just one 4k TV)

if the tech have no HS17 nor RB DLNB in his truck, just refuse the install, do postpone it with the tech or/and call DTV if the tech will not follow your request
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Currently running 2 C61Ks and 1 HR54, Is there an upgrade fee to go to an HS17 and do they have to also upgrade the LNB?
Only CSR could answer the question after reviewing details of your account and its history ...
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I have one....it's called the HS17.

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it still requires a c61k

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So, I (apparently naively) assumed that a new install would give me 4K. Quickly find out after some investigating that I was given an hr44 and only later find out that you need extra hardware. So just confirming...the only current way to get 4K to a single tv is through either 54/61k combo or a HR54 and rvu setup, both of which involving a second outlet fee? That seems absurd. To their credit they are sending someone out next week with with an HR54, but at this point I’m wondering if I should wait for a single box solution for 4k rather than pay for the additional hardware now and then again when a more elegant solution is available.
It's possible you could be waiting a very long time.
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It's possible you could be waiting a very long time.


I've done a lot of reading since last night and that's what I'm gathering. I can begrudgingly work with the current way of getting 4k, but I'd really like to avoid having to replace a bunch of equipment when they change their 4k delivery. From what I see a new dish is likely going to be needed at some point...but unless I'm looking in the wrong places.. They seem either incredibly tight lipped about future 4k plans, or they have no idea and are still figuring things out. My impression, at least...

All this goes out the window if they do significant coverage of the world cup in 4k this summer. I'll put up with whatever is needed to see that.
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I've done a lot of reading since last night and that's what I'm gathering. I can begrudgingly work with the current way of getting 4k, but I'd really like to avoid having to replace a bunch of equipment when they change their 4k delivery. From what I see a new dish is likely going to be needed at some point...but unless I'm looking in the wrong places.. They seem either incredibly tight lipped about future 4k plans, or they have no idea and are still figuring things out. My impression, at least...

All this goes out the window if they do significant coverage of the world cup in 4k this summer. I'll put up with whatever is needed to see that.
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It's possible you could be waiting a very long time.
If ever...just read the AT&T tea leaves, their own commercials for DIRECTV NOW effectively bash satellite service. I haven't seen any news of new birds and not sure how much life is left in the aging ones (SW1/2 among others). I think development on the satellite hardware side is waning and the business model will be to shift over to streaming.

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If ever...just read the AT&T tea leaves, their own commercials for DIRECTV NOW effectively bash satellite service. I haven't seen any news of new birds and not sure how much life is left in the aging ones (SW1/2 among others). I think development on the satellite hardware side is waning and the business model will be to shift over to streaming.
doubtful, way too many people cannot stream.
they have a captive clientele with 15% of us having no cable/internet options. its easier to fight 1 company (dish) than all the streaming options

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dish should be fine if you have a current dish, just an lnb swap to a reverse band


Good to know. We just moved in to this house and there was already a dish installed. Tech yesterday did mention an LNB swap from what was up there. Anyway to find out if it's reverse band in the hr44 diagnostics? Or are those not even being installed yet?

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