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Didn't those resolutions go away with the disabling of "Native On"?

that is the way they are sent, how could native change it?
maybe lower it, but you cant get 1080p if its sent as 720p unless you upconvert it

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that is the way they are sent, how could native change it?
maybe lower it, but you cant get 1080p if its sent as 720p unless you upconvert it
As far as I know, Directv does the conversion of 720P and 1080i to 1080P for you. They used to allow pass thru of 720P and 1080i to you and your AVR or TV would scale it to 1080P for display. This would often cause delays in the handshake as your AVR or TV would have to go through the process of changing resolutions and making sure everything was ok. I suspect there was an internal reason that justified DTV taking away the "Native On" capability so that they do the scaling. I have no idea why they did it. I think it was roughly around three months ago that this happened.
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I suspect there was an internal reason that justified DTV taking away the "Native On" capability so that they do the scaling. I have no idea why they did it. I think it was roughly around three months ago that this happened.

I think they got a lot of service calls if the boxes were set to native because of the delay in switching resolution as you mentioned: it causes lots of HDMI issues especially if one likes to channel surf
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the only thing on directv that is 1080p is ppv
1080i and 720p are the norm
I’m talking the final image on screen. The display converts 1080i to 1080p. Regardless, the bottom line is the streaming picture was better in many cases. I never saw a channel where the D* picture was better. At best they were the same. If not for the cloud-based DVR of streamlining, I’d be gone.
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I’m talking the final image on screen. The display converts 1080i to 1080p. Regardless, the bottom line is the streaming picture was better in many cases. I never saw a channel where the D* picture was better. At best they were the same. If not for the cloud-based DVR of streamlining, I’d be gone.



again, whats the source info?
a 720 upped to 1080p will look worse than a native 1080p displayed as 1080p
what compression was used for each?


your comparing apples to oranges, not apples to apples


until you present the relevant data, then its all "grass is greener"

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You can defend D* all you want, but as someone who actually watches the picture and content, the picture quality is my primary concern. Weird, I know. If your primary concern is bitrates, so be it. Do I know the compression rates? No. Do these stats matter to me if the picture looks better and more detailed? No. The fact is that one when tunes to these streaming services, the PQ looks better. To be honest, I could care less what the stats are. If the picture looks better it looks better.

Do I need to know what the stats are on D*'s channel 104 relative to the HD channels? No, because all that matters to me is the picture looks better. If it looks more detailed, it looks more detailed. It is what it is. I absolutely dismiss your assertion that until we know all the 'stats' the results are meaningless or not 'apples to apples'.

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So subjective is matter more than measuring parameters ?!
Then the discussion does ends here.
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So, Where are we at with the streaming service, Now or TV, or whatever it's called?
Have they expanded the rollout?
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So, Where are we at with the streaming service, Now or TV, or whatever it's called?
Have they expanded the rollout?
Well... the thread is about DTV... mostly sat broadcasting ...
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I wonder if they were asking about the rumor of the IPTV / android based DirecTV boxes ??


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I wonder if they were asking about the rumor of the IPTV / android based DirecTV boxes ??


https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/dire...-revealed/amp/
Yeah... the model C71KW has been discussed last year … not that many reviews comes up ...

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So subjective is matter more than measuring parameters ?!
Then the discussion does ends here.
I guess so. So if someone presented evidence to you that the bitrates on channel A were higher than Channel B (both 1080), but Channel B looked better to you, then you'd dismiss that and convince yourself that Channel A looked better. Sorry, that doesn't make much sense to me. So yeah, I guess the discussion does end here.
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So, Where are we at with the streaming service, Now or TV, or whatever it's called?
Have they expanded the rollout?
We're nowhere because the 'authorities' have deemed that if you don't know what the bitrates are, you can't make a PQ determination. Since some are into hyperbole, I guess we can watch TV blind as long as we know the bitrate.
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the new streaming service

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the new streaming service
Looks like it is still an option in limited markets.

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Isn't the model been known as C71KW ?
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Looks like it is still an option in limited markets.



i beleive its still rolling out, just not national yet

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Isn't the model been known as C71KW ?

it does look like it

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I would be interested in checking this out considering the issues that I’ve had with the satellite service. However, the regional sports networks out of market are not available on this system. The sports pack is a must for me. To the best of my knowledge out of market regional sports networks are only available via DIRECTV.

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I'm a DTV customer entering into the 4K world this week with a new TV, receiver, etc. So I'm faced with the choice of upgrading to the 4K capable DTV DVR system. Or, not. As I understand it, there are only three 4K channels now, yes? And one of those is just an "eye-candy" loop? Most of my 4K viewing is, of course, going to be from the streaming services.

A phone call to DTV told me I would have to turn in my old Genie DVR if I got the new 4K version. Problem is, I have well over 100 hours of stuff stored on the old one that I'd like to watch someday. If I turn it in, I lose it all. I guess the option to keep it for awhile while also using the new one isn't available.

So the question is - is it worth it, just for those 3 channels?
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What model is your current Genie?There are currently 5 4K channels.

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First: Get a capture box such as the Hauppauge 1512, a couple of external hard drives, a 12-pack and a few afternoons with nothing to do. Set about offloading your programs. It works in real-time, so you might prioritize what you really want to keep, otherwise, you're in for 100 hours of offloading, though you can always set a timer on your phone, go do something else and come back to start a new program. Laborious, but the only way to do it. (People wonder why I go to the trouble to record DirecTV programs on a PC to BEGIN with).

As for whether the upgrade for 4k is worth it, that depends on your definition. If anything in 4k is something you'd watch, then it is. If you're not into soccer, NBA games or the random college game, then probably not. Thing is, a lot of the things that show up on DirecTV's 4k channel are becoming available via streaming, as well. AIUI, log in with a provider and the Fox Sports app will stream whatever FS1 4k sport is being telecast. Have a frequent look at @dtv757 's chart to see what's available and the ways to get it.

If it's not compelling or the stuff you want to see can be streamed, then you can wait until you've watched down everything on your current Genie.
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What model is your current Genie?There are currently 5 4K channels.
Darned if I know. The one that only gets 3 4K channels I guess. I had the system installed 3 or 4 years ago.

Edit: Now that I switched the EPG to "all channels", I see there are five, 104 - 108.
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Darned if I know. The one that only gets 3 4K channels I guess. I had the system installed 3 or 4 years ago.
press Menu and look at System Info screen wouldn't be such darn task
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Darned if I know. The one that only gets 3 4K channels I guess. I had the system installed 3 or 4 years ago.
Press menu>settings>info & test. It will be listed.
It’s important to know.

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Press menu>settings>info & test. It will be listed.
It’s important to know.
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Then all you will need is a C 61K attached to your 4K set and move the HR 54 to another set. there is no activation fee or additional fees.If you are a sports fan at all it is more than worth it. In my opinion since it’s free other than the seven dollars per month for the C 61K it’s worth it anyway.

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keep it
it's good for one 4K stream to any TV include UHD by a client C61k; and you could have many HD DVRs same time
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