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Another awesome looking 4K MLB broadcast tonight.
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Another awesome blackout in 4K here in N.Y.

Yeah, my jealousy is showing.
LOL. Sorry Ken. You got to get them to let them trucks hit the road a little farther out.
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Anyone know when the next 4K game is?
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Did MLB cut a deal to allow 4K?

Of course the killer is if they get the NFL to let them capture in 4K. But the NFL will want more money for it probably.
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Did MLB cut a deal to allow 4K?



Of course the killer is if they get the NFL to let them capture in 4K. But the NFL will want more money for it probably.


I think so. The games are cross broadcast with the MLB network broadcast.

It would be awesome if Directv/AT&T setup a similar arrangement with the NFL for the Thursday night games that are broadcasted on NFL network.
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Anyone know when the next 4K game is?
Here is the schedule that gets updated of the "Showcase" games, which I think are all going to be 4K (barring technical difficulties) going forward:

http://m.mlb.com/network/shows/?id=mlbn_showcase

June 14 is next...
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Here is the schedule that gets updated of the "Showcase" games, which I think are all going to be 4K (barring technical difficulties) going forward:

http://m.mlb.com/network/shows/?id=mlbn_showcase

June 14 is next...
Looks like I will be missing the next one, @Ken Ross

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Yeah CC, I might actually get to see this one!
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Hi CC. Do you or anyone else here know how to make the C 61 play nice with my AVR? The audio dropouts are really bad. The only way to get rid of them temporarily is to unplug the C61 and plug it back in. I've tried new Blue Jeans HDMI cables and had my C 61 replaced no luck. No matter what I've tried the dropouts always return after a few minutes. Thanks.
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Hi CC. Do you or anyone else here know how to make the C 61 play nice with my AVR? The audio dropouts are really bad. The only way to get rid of them temporarily is to unplug the C61 and plug it back in. I've tried new Blue Jeans HDMI cables and had my C 61 replaced no luck. No matter what I've tried the dropouts always return after a few minutes. Thanks.

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Hi CC. Do you or anyone else here know how to make the C 61 play nice with my AVR? The audio dropouts are really bad. The only way to get rid of them temporarily is to unplug the C61 and plug it back in. I've tried new Blue Jeans HDMI cables and had my C 61 replaced no luck. No matter what I've tried the dropouts always return after a few minutes. Thanks.
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any new FW update for the AVR ? is it 4k60p HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 compatible ?
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Hi CC. Do you or anyone else here know how to make the C 61 play nice with my AVR? The audio dropouts are really bad. The only way to get rid of them temporarily is to unplug the C61 and plug it back in. I've tried new Blue Jeans HDMI cables and had my C 61 replaced no luck. No matter what I've tried the dropouts always return after a few minutes. Thanks.
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its all over the net, it seems like there is an issue with the c61
even people hooking it right to a tv have the problem

most likely firmware

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its all over the net, it seems like there is an issue with the c61
even people hooking it right to a tv have the problem

most likely firmware

have you tried it right to the tv?
Thanks MD. I haven't tried straight to the TV. From what you said it probably won't work that way either. Thanks for your help.
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Thanks Psmith. Yamaha 3050 firmware is up to date. All HDMIs are 2.0a and HDCP 2.2. We'll just have to wait until DTV fixes this problem and it's a really bad audio dropout problem.
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Hi CC. Do you or anyone else here know how to make the C 61 play nice with my AVR? The audio dropouts are really bad. The only way to get rid of them temporarily is to unplug the C61 and plug it back in. I've tried new Blue Jeans HDMI cables and had my C 61 replaced no luck. No matter what I've tried the dropouts always return after a few minutes. Thanks.
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Went to a technical session on HDMI a few weeks ago. Message was if you have issues change the cable length or introduce something to change the timing. The instructor showed how timing is critical and changing that can usually correct a problem. He was mostly talking about handshake issues so I don't know if it is the same with audio dropout.

I've had the audio dropout on my C31 and C41. 90% of the time I solve the problem by rewinding a few seconds. If this doesn't work I then power the client off and then back on. But almost all of the time the rewind works.

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Went to a technical session on HDMI a few weeks ago. Message was if you have issues change the cable length or introduce something to change the timing. The instructor showed how timing is critical and changing that can usually correct a problem. He was mostly talking about handshake issues so I don't know if it is the same with audio dropout.

I've had the audio dropout on my C31 and C41. 90% of the time I solve the problem by rewinding a few seconds. If this doesn't work I then power the client off and then back on. But almost all of the time the rewind works.
I'll try that Jack. Thanks very much.
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Went to a technical session on HDMI a few weeks ago. Message was if you have issues change the cable length or introduce something to change the timing. The instructor showed how timing is critical and changing that can usually correct a problem. He was mostly talking about handshake issues so I don't know if it is the same with audio dropout.

I've had the audio dropout on my C31 and C41. 90% of the time I solve the problem by rewinding a few seconds. If this doesn't work I then power the client off and then back on. But almost all of the time the rewind works.
Hi again Jack. I have gone 1 hour and 15 minutes this morning without an audio dropout. Maybe a firmware update was pushed last night. Of course as soon as I post this the dropouts will start again. I'll keep you posted with updates as the day progresses. Thanks,
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Went to a technical session on HDMI a few weeks ago. Message was if you have issues change the cable length or introduce something to change the timing. The instructor showed how timing is critical and changing that can usually correct a problem. He was mostly talking about handshake issues so I don't know if it is the same with audio dropout.

I've had the audio dropout on my C31 and C41. 90% of the time I solve the problem by rewinding a few seconds. If this doesn't work I then power the client off and then back on. But almost all of the time the rewind works.
2 hours no dropouts. The issue of changing from HD channels to 4K channels and back has not been fixed yet. Gray screen after the change back to HD channels. To fix this I have to power toggle C61 DTV box. After doing this still no audio dropouts. Fingers still crossed.
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Went to a technical session on HDMI a few weeks ago. Message was if you have issues change the cable length or introduce something to change the timing. The instructor showed how timing is critical and changing that can usually correct a problem. He was mostly talking about handshake issues so I don't know if it is the same with audio dropout.

I've had the audio dropout on my C31 and C41. 90% of the time I solve the problem by rewinding a few seconds. If this doesn't work I then power the client off and then back on. But almost all of the time the rewind works.
They're baaack. But thankfully not nearly as bad as yesterday. Fingers still crossed for a long term solution for this issue.

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My bill confuses me a lot so I have to ask this question. If I replace my c31 with a c61 for 4k to my projector will my monthly fee be the same? Secondly, does the c61 scale 720 and 1080 to 2160. Does it do it well?
If you already subscribe to the Ultimate or Premier package, then your monthly bill will remain the same; otherwise, your bill will increase since you have to have one of these two packages to receive 4K content.

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They're baaack. But thankfully not nearly as bad as yesterday. Fingers still crossed for a long term solution for this issue.
Have you tried a different cable length yet? How about the short rewind technique?

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Lots around the net having audio dropouts with the C61. Myself included. People over at dbstalk and att posting issues. They say DTV is working on it. I had to finally just start using a c41 from another room. No dropouts at all with the c41. C61 is hooked up in garage waiting for a firmware update, hopefully soon.
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Have you tried a different cable length yet? How about the short rewind technique?
Cables are only 6 feet. The dropouts are way better than yesterday. When they happen (rarely now) rewind for a couple of seconds works fine.
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DTV may have pushed an update last night. It's the only thing I can think of. The audio dropouts happen rarely now. Maybe try to move your C61 back and see how it works. I am glad to know that DTV is aware of this problem. I certainly made them aware and they opened a case for me. Now they need to fix the 4K channel change issue. Switching from an HD channel to a 4K channel and back to HD channel causes my screen to go gray. I have to power cycle my C61 to get back to normal viewing. Major pain. Let us know how you make out if you move your C61 back.
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Cables are only 6 feet. The dropouts are way better than yesterday. When they happen (rarely now) rewind for a couple of seconds works fine.
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Try a 3 footer or 12 footer if you can find one. I know 3 footers are plentiful. It may reduce the occurrence to zero. In fact, I think I will do that. My C31 hdmi cable to the avr is 3'. I'll substitute a 6' cable and see what happens. Currently my occurrences are no more than 1/every other viewing.

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Try a 3 footer or 12 footer if you can find one. I know 3 footers are plentiful. It may reduce the occurrence to zero. In fact, I think I will do that. My C31 hdmi cable to the avr is 3'. I'll substitute a 6' cable and see what happens. Currently my occurrences are no more than 1/every other viewing.
Thanks Jack. I'll try a 3 footer and a 12 footer and see what happens. Do you think the longer HDMI cable would work? Curious as to why 12 vs a 6 footer might work.
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DTV may have pushed an update last night. It's the only thing I can think of. The audio dropouts happen rarely now. Maybe try to move your C61 back and see how it works. I am glad to know that DTV is aware of this problem. I certainly made them aware and they opened a case for me. Now they need to fix the 4K channel change issue. Switching from an HD channel to a 4K channel and back to HD channel causes my screen to go gray. I have to power cycle my C61 to get back to normal viewing. Major pain. Let us know how you make out if you move your C61 back.

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The 4k channel switching issue doesn't happen to me.
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Thanks Jack. I'll try a 3 footer and a 12 footer and see what happens. Do you think the longer HDMI cable would work? Curious as to why 12 vs a 6 footer might work.
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The presentation I saw was all morning and pretty much about the basic subject of hdmi problems like handshaking. As far as I can remember, every time you change something in the digital ID part of the stream, and this happens every time you change channels or something like a resolution change,then all of the EDID agreement work has to take place all over again. The variable length of the handshaking time has to do with how many retries the effort takes until it matches. Sometimes it is so out that the handshake will fail and you have to do something drastic like power off and on to fix it. I don't remember the question being asked, it may have, but I would assume that an audio drop out would be a subset of the handshake problem. The expert said that by changing the environment someplace in the chain you could probably fix the problem, assuming the devices in the chain had adhered to the standard in their hdmi hardware. He said one of the easiest ways to change the environment was to change the cable or the cable length as that would change the timing slightly, if only by milliseconds. He also suggested putting a hdmi switch in the sequence. Sounds too easy but it's easy to try. It's been a few weeks and since I didn't take any notes, this old mind may have some of the facts confused, but I think in general I have the concept right.

BTW, he did say that over a certain length the quality of the HDMI cable could make a difference. He mentioned a lot of elements in the cable raw materials that made up the quality difference.

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The presentation I saw was all morning and pretty much about the basic subject of hdmi problems like handshaking. As far as I can remember, every time you change something in the digital ID part of the stream, and this happens every time you change channels or something like a resolution change,then all of the EDID agreement work has to take place all over again. The variable length of the handshaking time has to do with how many retries the effort takes until it matches. Sometimes it is so out that the handshake will fail and you have to do something drastic like power off and on to fix it. I don't remember the question being asked, it may have, but I would assume that an audio drop out would be a subset of the handshake problem. The expert said that by changing the environment someplace in the chain you could probably fix the problem, assuming the devices in the chain had adhered to the standard in their hdmi hardware. He said one of the easiest ways to change the environment was to change the cable or the cable length as that would change the timing slightly, if only by milliseconds. He also suggested putting a hdmi switch in the sequence. Sounds too easy but it's easy to try. It's been a few weeks and since I didn't take any notes, this old mind may have some of the facts confused, but I think in general I have the concept right.

BTW, he did say that over a certain length the quality of the HDMI cable could make a difference. He mentioned a lot of elements in the cable raw materials that made up the quality difference.
Awesome Jack. That's a lot of great info. It would make sense that a longer cable would allow for a tiny bit of time to complete the handshake. I'm going to find a 12 footer tomorrow and will let you know how it works.
Thanks very much!
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I'm going to try a longer HDMI cable tomorrow to see if that helps with the handshake. It might help with both the audio dropout and 4K channel switching issues. How long is the cable between your DTV box and your AVR?
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