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My favorite F1 race tomorrow! Yay!
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While I was having some fun, I think it would be interesting from a PR standpoint if they slowed Kimi down to give Vettel the win.
These sort of things are so easy to manipulate without anyone, including the drivers involved, knowing about it that it is pointless to speculate IMO.
For example, let us take final qualifying at Spa which has just concluded. Ferrari want Vettel ahead of Kimi on the grid so they tell Kimi to have his engine in one mode and Vettel has his engine in another mode or Vettel's best mode is slightly more powerful than Kimi's so Vettel always has the advantage but neither of them need know. And no one else knows, except for the team principals and a few engine specialists within the team.
In the past someone actually had to slow down and that could be spotted but now days things are so much easier to hide and manipulate.
We certainly know that this kind of thing goes on but we don't know if it has in a given situation, we can only speculate. History shows that in F1 such things are the norm and to be expected, unless we are all starry-eyed and in love with our chosen team or some particular driver.
Not that there is anyone like that here of course, we are all far to old and sceptical and hardened to the brutal realities of life and F1.
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LOL, you are correct.

I would love for it to be blatant though. LIke Kimi in the lead with ten laps to go, when Vettel finally makes a pass for second. With a five second lead, poor Kimi unfortunately develops tire problems and can't hold off a charging Vettel.


On to the race, Ham ties Schu with his 68th pole. Kimi helps Vettel get second. The start should be interesting.

While the race lead may be fun, I fear it may be another one of those races with the top two, a gap to third and another gap to the rest of the field. Hulk was a second off of Ricc. Renault says they are the fourth best team (maybe true), but it looks like they still have work to do to catch RB.



Vettel will be with Ferrari for another three years. That leaves one open seat at Merc amongst the top three. My guess is Bottas is resigned.

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You two share the same Tin Foil Hat tailor?

From Kimi -

"Don't try to make a f**king stupid story about this,"

"I had a mistake, I was coming back, and obviously if I can help our team I will do it."

"There are not any other stories behind it."
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I just said Kimi helped Vettel get second. Just like Stoef helped Alonso. I think it is BS to do this. A driver should qualify on his own merits not getting help from a team mate.

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Sounds like complete BS to me.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...d-alonso-honda

What happens if a driver's throttle application does not match their programming because he was dealing with traffic? I would have thought that F1 being supposedly the technological pinnacle of motorsports would be able to use GPS to accomplish what Honda claims they are doing.

And why wouldn't the G sensors have told them where they were on track....assuming those values are also mapped.

Sorry Honda, but I think you're full of it. The system glitched and you don't know why, so you made up a BS story.

Fred, get out of there while you still can. I don't think Williams is going to give you a WDC caliber car, but it can't suck worse than Honda.

Putting aside that all this crap on the car does ZERO to improve the racing, if you are going to have it, at least put it under the control of the driver.

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While Honda does suck, where does he go? The top three are taken. His choices would seem to be Williams, Renault or stand pat. Williams would have to go to daddy Stroll for some more money. Renault probably isn't going to pay him what he feels he is entitled to. That leaves him back at McHonda.

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While Honda does suck, where does he go? The top three are taken. His choices would seem to be Williams, Renault or stand pat. Williams would have to go to daddy Stroll for some more money. Renault probably isn't going to pay him what he feels he is entitled to. That leaves him back at McHonda.
Does Alonso want to do better or get paid more? Sometimes you have to sacrifice one for the other.
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While Honda does suck, where does he go? The top three are taken. His choices would seem to be Williams, Renault or stand pat. Williams would have to go to daddy Stroll for some more money. Renault probably isn't going to pay him what he feels he is entitled to. That leaves him back at McHonda.
Hot rumors all week have said Williams. I have a feeling his price has become very negotiable.

But like I said, I don't see a Williams as a WDC contender in the near term.
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Hot rumors all week have said Williams. I have a feeling his price has become very negotiable.

But like I said, I don't see a Williams as a WDC contender in the near term.
With Renault he has some slight chance of being WDC again, with Williams, no hope......in any term.
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Does Alonso want to do better or get paid more? Sometimes you have to sacrifice one for the other.
I agree and at this point he should be going for the wins instead of feeling entitled to $40 mill. Teams only give out the big money if they feel like they have a chance at the WDC or WCC. Maybe Renault or Honda will give him the money again.

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Hot rumors all week have said Williams. I have a feeling his price has become very negotiable.

But like I said, I don't see a Williams as a WDC contender in the near term.
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With Renault he has some slight chance of being WDC again, with Williams, no hope......in any term.
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This closes down options for Fernando Alonso; McLaren would prefer to keep Alonso at the team and it doesn’t make much sense for Renault to spend big on Alonso at this stage, without the car to challenge for wins and the title.
Rumours of a move for Alonso to Williams, which are currently circulating in the paddock, do not make much sense either for Williams, for the same reasons. Paying for it would be a major hurdle and it would certainly not be in the interests of Lance Stroll. The teenager is a few tenths off Felipe Massa, so would struggle against Alonso, who was substantially faster than Massa when they were together at Ferrari.

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With Renault he has some slight chance of being WDC again, with Williams, no hope......in any term.

Yeah, isn't Mclaren already better than Williams at this point? More consistent at least. And slowly but always improving. Half the tracks just seem to hate the Williams chassis. I just don't see any passion for winning there anymore. Just cash. Sad.
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Frank Cross just finished watching Spa:


The best track in F1, and we get handed one of the worst races. My faith in this sport is almost gone.

Another win determined on Saturday by engineers and aerodynamicists. A 4x WDC on fresh super softs could only once, during the entire race, get close to another WDC on a harder compound tire, and that after a late restart. One shot, he failed, game over.

Other than that, another lame-ass processional. Even my man Ricciardo on the podium could not save this one from the suck pile.

Let's see...some guy passed some other guy for 8th or something....that was cool, but he got a penalty for cutting a chicane.

Another multi-champ, who had a good dice early on, was so pissed off over the lack of power courtesy of his incompetent engine supplier, that he decided to just retire his car.

Two teammates who already hate each other destroy each other's race.

The best young driver in a generation, again let down by his team, and there is next to zero chance he can land a competitive ride in the next few years.

Remind me again.....why do we watch F1?
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^^^ @BGLeduc -- I was relieved to see your post. It showed me that I was not just being cynical when I decided that the race had been decided in Turn 1 of Lap 1, when Hamilton retained his advantage over Vettel that his pole position had given him. Because of the near impossibility of passing for the lead in F1, the car that leads after turn one of the first lap has about a 90 percent chance to go on and win the race. The only things that can stop him are making a mistake or a mechanical failure. Yawn!!!!!
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I was surprised how Seb could not at least catch up to Lewis with Seb having the better tires. What the heck was with that????

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I am biding my time watching a succession of >$1m Ferraris cross the block at Meecum Monterey. A La Ferrari just opened at $3m.
I watched virtually all of Monterey, best bunch of cars i have ever seen at a Mecum auction, i love the supercars. What i do is watch at double or triple speed and then when i see a car i am really interested in i slow down to normal speed. This allows me to record and watch an entire auction of days. Great to see these cars.

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I was surprised how Seb could not at least catch up to Lewis with Seb having the better tires. What the heck was with that????

The aero wash is just too much, and has been for too long.
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I was surprised how Seb could not at least catch up to Lewis with Seb having the better tires. What the heck was with that????
Seb thinks his restart was too good. Yup...that's it right there.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/...ck-my-own-good

But no worries, he thinks following a guy for a whole race save for one brief moment was more fun than a pocket full of Benjamins at a strip club. Ok, he maybe didn't really use those exact words.

I am on record as being no fan of Seb or Lewis, but for FFS, if the WDC is going to come down to these two, could that at least have to actually race each other? Is that too much to ask?
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I watched virtually all of Monterey, best bunch of cars i have ever seen at a Mecum auction, i love the supercars. What i do is watch at double or triple speed and then when i see a car i am really interested in i slow down to normal speed. This allows me to record and watch an entire auction of days. Great to see these cars.

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I think the 1st La Ferrari left the block with a $4.2m bid but did not sell. The 2nd did sell for a couple million maybe?

Can't help on the notifications....I only get them if I am mentioned or quoted, and that seems to be working.
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I watched virtually all of Monterey, best bunch of cars i have ever seen at a Mecum auction, i love the supercars. What i do is watch at double or triple speed and then when i see a car i am really interested in i slow down to normal speed. This allows me to record and watch an entire auction of days. Great to see these cars.

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Yeah they did have some really cool cars this time. Machett classed up the announcing too. I cringe though that with all those awesome cars, they still use those carnies to scream and shake their fists. That seems to go all the way to the top of the organization though. Surprised they've been so successful, I guess people like it.
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I was surprised how Seb could not at least catch up to Lewis with Seb having the better tires. What the heck was with that????
He did catch up to Lewis after he got tires, just couldn't pass him then fell back.

Best part of the Force India pair of idiots crash was the SC coming out and giving us brief hope that Vettel might make a go of it, but that passed quickly.

Like BG said, this processional crap gets old.
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Yeah they did have some really cool cars this time. Machett classed up the announcing too. I cringe though that with all those awesome cars, they still use those carnies to scream and shake their fists. That seems to go all the way to the top of the organization though. Surprised they've been so successful, I guess people like it.
Roger that. That fat kid is the pits, but the lesser guys screaming like they are trying to pass a stone......BITCH! PLEASE!!!!!!'

If I was buying or selling a +million dollar car, give my the Brits at Bonhams. Nothing adds to the perceived value of a mega buck car as an upper crust Brit doing the selling.

Back to Monterey and Mecums, I did find it interesting how much, on the high dollar cars, that they strong armed the sellers into lifting the reserves to get the deals done, even cutting their commissions.
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Roger that. That fat kid is the pits, but the lesser guys screaming like they are trying to pass a stone......BITCH! PLEASE!!!!!!'

If I was buying or selling a +million dollar car, give my the Brits at Bonhams. Nothing adds to the perceived value of a mega buck car as an upper crust Brit doing the selling.

Back to Monterey and Mecums, I did find it interesting how much, on the high dollar cars, that they strong armed the sellers into lifting the reserves to get the deals done, even cutting their commissions.

Is Bonhams the one they always show on Chasing Classic Cars? They're good.

They did cut the commissions a lot, but some commission is better than no commission. Plus, even a reduced one is still a tank load of money. They seem the type to glad hand you to death while the deal is on, and then not even talk to you once it's over.
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Is Bonhams the one they always show on Chasing Classic Cars? They're good.

They did cut the commissions a lot, but some commission is better than no commission. Plus, even a reduced one is still a tank load of money. They seem the type to glad hand you to death while the deal is on, and then not even talk to you once it's over.
Yup.....where Wayne Carini goes to not get as much as he hoped he would get for his clients. :-)
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Yep, nobody does ceremony like the Brits.
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I empathize with your attitude, but F1 has been this way for awhile. I have screamed this from the mountain tops. I think the quickest way to change this aspect of the race is a spec nose or wing.

That said, I thought the race was decent. At least there was a chance that Vettel could pass up front unlike Hungary. And Merc gave the other teams a chance with the bone head call of the year. Ham was able to keep first, but Bottas was overtaken by Ric and Kimi.

Now for rage. I can't understand Perez. He made a hell of a move on Kvy and Gross. Probably the move of the race. He was looking racy and competitive. That was after he squeezed his team mate into the wall once. Checo then goes and pulls this stunt. It is like he wants to throw away all the good and respect he builds up. Ocon should have been outraged and rightfully was. I am thinking that Perez can't handle the fact that his career has peaked and Ocon is about to pass him by. While I know it won't happen, I kind of wish Bottas and Ocon would trade places next year. Ocon has the potential to be special, while I am not sure Bottas will ever match Ham.

Of course, the team should get some blame for this as well. Perez had a five second penalty coming and the team should have told Perez to move over. The team has said they are no longer allowed to race. Kind of late.

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Max channeling Louis from least season:

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When Max retired, I couldn't help but think if this was his contract year then would he end up at Merc or Ferrari. Bottas and Kimi are on one year contracts, so if this happens again next year......

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There should be a "performance" clause in his contract that should let him get out. 50 percent failure is baaaad.
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