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And his original post specifically says "in the captain's seat":

White Dudes
Kirk
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Pike

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Janeway
Sisko
Georgiou (briefly)
if you take out Georgiou, Pike and Lorca who weren't really captains for any extended period of time nor the focus of any of the shows they were starring in then it's pretty even as far as white to non-white (you can make a case for Lorca being the focus of S1 of Discovery)
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if you take out Georgiou, Pike and Lorca who weren't really captains for any extended period of time nor the focus of any of the shows they were starring in then it's pretty even as far as white to non-white (you can make a case for Lorca being the focus of S1 of Discovery)
So one person of color (Sisko) versus four+ white (Kirk, Archer, Picard, Janeway and maybe Lorca) is even? Okay.
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So one person of color (Sisko) versus four+ white (Kirk, Archer, Picard, Janeway and maybe Lorca) is even? Okay.
I said it's close...3-2...Kirk, Picard and Archer vs Sisko and Janeway (meaning non-male)
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S1 felt like 2 separate shows- pre-mirror universe and post-mirror, with the latter being much more entertaining...it's easy to see where former showrunner Bryan Fuller and the new writers parted ways
Fuller is still credited as co-creator of the series, but he was canned before the pilot episode was even shot.

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So one person of color (Sisko) versus four+ white (Kirk, Archer, Picard, Janeway and maybe Lorca) is even? Okay.
Are we still talking about ST or just the oppression Olympics? If the latter you just won, congrats!
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Fuller is still credited as co-creator of the series, but he was canned before the pilot episode was even shot.
regardless of when he actually departed the series I'm sure his ideas and story beats were used throughout the first season...he's also credited as co-writer of the first 3 episodes...S1 has a clear divide as far as story
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regardless of when he actually departed the series I'm sure his ideas and story beats were used throughout the first season...he's also credited as co-writer of the first 3 episodes...S1 has a clear divide as far as story
I'm not disagreeing about the story divide, but how much involvement Fuller really had and how much blame can be placed on him, I'm not sure. My understanding is that he was booted well before production began and his scripts were heavily rewritten. It felt to me like the new writers who replaced him struggled to figure out what kind of show they wanted Discovery to be, and didn't find their way until the Mirror Universe arc.

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I'm not disagreeing about the story divide, but how much involvement Fuller really had and how much blame can be placed on him, I'm not sure. My understanding is that he was booted well before production began and his scripts were heavily rewritten. It felt to me like the new writers who replaced him struggled to figure out what kind of show they wanted Discovery to be, and didn't find their way until the Mirror Universe arc.
I always heard that the main reasons he was removed was because he kept going over budget and CBS grew concerned about Fuller’s split commitments, notably with American Gods...that being said it seems CBS is still using Fuller's original template for the series...Bryan Fuller’s original pitch to CBS had the show starting in Discovery‘s time, but then moving through the eras of Kirk and Picard and then going beyond that, reaching a time period that hasn’t been seen in Star Trek before...it looks like Season 3 is doing that as far as the new time period
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I always heard that the main reasons he was removed was because he kept going over budget and CBS grew concerned about Fuller’s split commitments, notably with American Gods...
Considering the number of times he's been fired from shows he created, I suspect that Bryan Fuller may be something of a pain in the a** to work with.

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that being said it seems CBS is still using Fuller's original template for the series...Bryan Fuller’s original pitch to CBS had the show starting in Discovery‘s time, but then moving through the eras of Kirk and Picard and then going beyond that, reaching a time period that hasn’t been seen in Star Trek before...it looks like Season 3 is doing that as far as the new time period
I would have loved to see Discovery make stops in the Kirk and Picard eras.

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Considering the number of times he's been fired from shows he created, I suspect that Bryan Fuller may be something of a pain in the a** to work with.



I would have loved to see Discovery make stops in the Kirk and Picard eras.
Still could possibly happen, as well as some sort of visit to the current ST:Pic series as well ... and , there's that "Section 31 future timeship from the Voyager episode, that could be a tie in as well ...
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I finally gave in and signed up for year of CBS All Access in order to watch Picard. Picard is lacking IMO. Discovery on the other hand, has been great. Just finished the first year with Season 2 waiting on my Roku.

When is Season 3 being released?
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I finally gave in and signed up for year of CBS All Access in order to watch Picard. Picard is lacking IMO. Discovery on the other hand, has been great. Just finished the first year with Season 2 waiting on my Roku.

When is Season 3 being released?
I like Picard but am not loving it. I love Discovery. Seasons 1 and 2. Lorca was my favorite captain of any series thus far.
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When is Season 3 being released?
Date not released yet.
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The more I think of it, the clearer it seems that the producers must be planning a Pike/Spock spinoff. They built all those sets for the Enterprise, and made a point of explaining potential plot holes (like why the ship has no hologram communications) that never came up again and weren't terribly important, except if we're to see more of the ship in another show.

I hope this happens. Pike was the best part of season 2.
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The more I think of it, the clearer it seems that the producers must be planning a Pike/Spock spinoff. They built all those sets for the Enterprise, and made a point of explaining potential plot holes (like why the ship has no hologram communications) that never came up again and weren't terribly important, except if we're to see more of the ship in another show
CBS-AA might do a Pike spinoff...but that wasn't a plot hole as far as the holographic communication...ST: Discovery was doing that so it would match up with the Original Series...TOS along with TNG era, set a century after the events of The Original Series, still use viewscreens for communication
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CBS-AA might do a Pike spinoff...but that wasn't a plot hole as far as the holographic communication...ST: Discovery was doing that so it would match up with the Original Series...TOS along with TNG era, set a century after the events of The Original Series, still use viewscreens for communication
Yeah, I get the story logic. Nevertheless, there was really no reason to make a point of explaining this to viewers unless the producers plan to show a lot more of the Enterprise in the future.

Anyway, Viacom/CBS have confirmed that two more Trek series are in the works (on top of the previously announced Section 31). Details were not offered, but I bet one will be about Pike.
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Yeah, I get the story logic. Nevertheless, there was really no reason to make a point of explaining this to viewers unless the producers plan to show a lot more of the Enterprise in the future
there was a huge need to explain this illogical future technology on a show that is set 10 years before TOS...lots of hard core fans were up in arms over the fact that Discovery was using advanced tech...which is another reason why I believe that the show was wise to jump forward into the far future...too many things to explain/retcon by sticking to their original timeline
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there was a huge need to explain this illogical future technology on a show that is set 10 years before TOS...lots of hard core fans were up in arms over the fact that Discovery was using advanced tech...which is another reason why I believe that the show was wise to jump forward into the far future...too many things to explain/retcon by sticking to their original timeline
Star Trek fans should be used to continuity issues like this after four seasons of Star Trek: Enterprise and three Abramsverse movies. The same problem affects almost any sci-fi franchise that adds a prequel entry (Star Wars prequels, Prometheus, etc.).
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Season 3 has wrapped filming...

https://twitter.com/jonathansfrakes/...34107052961792

so much for my hope that S3 would drop immediately after Picard ended (March 26th)...with all the post-production work needed on a show like this it might not be released until the Summer
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Season 3 has wrapped filming...

https://twitter.com/jonathansfrakes/...34107052961792

so much for my hope that S3 would drop immediately after Picard ended (March 26th)...with all the post-production work needed on a show like this it might not be released until the Summer
Weren't the previous seasons released in the Autumn?
If so then I would expect the same for season 3.

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Weren't the previous seasons released in the Autumn?
If so then I would expect the same for season 3.
S1 was released in September 2017...S2 was January 2019
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S3 delayed due to post-production shutdown.

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S3 delayed due to post-production shutdown.

https://www.tvguide.com/news/star-tr...d-wilson-cruz/
I guess the good news is that as long as principle filming is complete, post production can more easily be done in "social isolation". Applying visual effects, editing, sound design & scoring, that sort of thing.
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I guess the good news is that as long as principle filming is complete, post production can more easily be done in "social isolation". Applying visual effects, editing, sound design & scoring, that sort of thing.
I'm sure some of this stuff can be done remotely, albeit probably more slowly depending on server access and connection issues.

Any scoring that uses a live orchestra would have to be recorded in person, however.

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It seems that there's a limit to how much post-production work can be done remotely. The producers of Supernatural issued the following statement. I assume most shows face similar problems.

https://tvline.com/2020/03/23/supern...y-coronavirus/

As a result of the coronavirus-fueled production shutdown, “This will be our last episode for awhile,” Dabb wrote. He later clarified that although the series completed filming through Episode 18 — this week’s installment is Episode 13 — “our visual effects and sound departments have closed because of the outbreak. So, right now, the episodes can’t be finished.”

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It seems that there's a limit to how much post-production work can be done remotely. The producers of Supernatural issued the following statement. I assume most shows face similar problems.

https://tvline.com/2020/03/23/supern...y-coronavirus/

As a result of the coronavirus-fueled production shutdown, “This will be our last episode for awhile,” Dabb wrote. He later clarified that although the series completed filming through Episode 18 — this week’s installment is Episode 13 — “our visual effects and sound departments have closed because of the outbreak. So, right now, the episodes can’t be finished.”

I’m sure there are many others. Some got in just under the wire, but others will be left undone until things get better.
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I’m sure there are many others. Some got in just under the wire, but others will be left undone until things get better.
The CBS promo before E-10 Picard said about Discovery "Coming Soon." I don't know what that means in CBS speak.

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