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I loved both episodes! That battle scene was terrific, minus the cornball line uttered by Gordon.

A couple thoughts:

1) Since some of the Kaylons retreated to their home planet I wonder if we'll see more interactions with them in the future? I hope so.
2) The Union better hope the Krill keeps believing Avis brought them together because the Kaylons were kicking the Union forces' butt and the Krill were able to destroy the Kaylon forces pretty easily. The Union forces would be no match for the Krill.

On another note, I'm tired of the doctor's kids and I hope they move on to other storylines.
They are already set up for that, as they mentioned that Issac could help them improve their technology. Expect big improvements very quickly. Maybe Graviton Torpedoes?

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Well. That ep must have taken 50% of this year's vfx budget! Expect a lot of bottle episodes from here on out. And, to echo everyone else, let this mercifully drive a stake through the Isaac/Claire romance, if not through Bortus's pee & porn.
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It's Yvonne Craig! Who wouldn't want to **** her, green, or otherwise?







When Mars needed women, who did they come for? Yvonne Craig! I rest my case.

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Pffft. When I want a hot green Orion babe, I'm putting in a sub-space call to Rachel.



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Can't forget the AMAZING blonde actress-director Susan Oliver...beautiful and brilliant, she was all over U.S. network TV in the 1960's and '70's. Despite having such a fantastic career in front of and behind the cameras, she's ironically mostly remembered along with Yvonne Craig as "one of the Star Trek green girls:"

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Wow, and I thought I was the only one into green women. The secrets are out now for all of us!
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well...after all, it IS March, and St. Patrick's Day is only two weeks away. There'll be green beer everywhere, green scrambled eggs, green bagels, even green beer. Chicago actually dyes their river green, and who knows, maybe some of the Krill chicks on Orville will "go green:"


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Looking at those pew-pew-pew head lasers again, I finally had a thought that when everybody was looking into Isaac's eyes, they were always looking down the barrels of twin cannons pointed directly at them.
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One can't go wrong with Star Trek Continues "Lolani".
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Well we almost had 3 whole posts in a row about Orville , and not Trek. Oh well.
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Well we almost had 3 whole posts in a row about Orville , and not Trek. Oh well.
Great show. Embarrassing thread.
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Great show. Embarrassing thread.
It is evolving into a new green deal thread. Let's talk about the show, not the green girls in other shows.
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All three of you could have just talked about the show, yet you didn't. Tells you all you need to know about this low calorie affair. Still watchable, but no heartstrings were harmed during the making blah blah blah.

Should'a been three pages of discussion after such a "groundbreaking" episode.
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The last/previous two episodes were awesome!
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All three of you could have just talked about the show, yet you didn't. Tells you all you need to know about this low calorie affair. Still watchable, but no heartstrings were harmed during the making blah blah blah.

Should'a been three pages of discussion after such a "groundbreaking" episode.
Look, it's not that big a deal to me honestly, but I seem to be missing your point. Do you mean that as long as the show isn't great, the thread can then be off topic?
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Look, it's not that big a deal to me honestly, but I seem to be missing your point. Do you mean that as long as the show isn't great, the thread can then be off topic?
I don't know, Don, most of the threads kinda take their own course around here, and come back when it's time to. Wasn't trying to give you a hard time, just pointing out there isn't a ton of stuff to post about it, even after a "big" episode. Or maybe I'm just trolling, I can't even tell anymore.

Anyway, you aren't wrong, and I jump started the "general" thread to hopefully migrate the discussion over there. Obviously after all these years, there's plenty to talk about re the Star Trek series. Cheers.
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I don't know, Don, most of the threads kinda take their own course around here, and come back when it's time to. Wasn't trying to give you a hard time, just pointing out there isn't a ton of stuff to post about it, even after a "big" episode. Or maybe I'm just trolling, I can't even tell anymore.



Anyway, you aren't wrong, and I jump started the "general" thread to hopefully migrate the discussion over there. Obviously after all these years, there's plenty to talk about re the Star Trek series. Cheers.


It’s all good. I can understand the occasional references to Trek, because , come on :-) . Honestly some episodes can and should be compared to some Trek episodes. I guess sometimes it seems a bit much is all. Anyway, it’s all good.
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The latest Issac Menace developed too quickly and I don't see an easy way for the Earthlings to fight this out. I predict the gangs find an old prime directive from the original androids founders which says no harm to biologicals, that for some reason did not get enabled in time.
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The Union lost a lot of ships, they are going to have to do a lot rebuilding. The Krill remind me of the early days of the Klingons and how we were at war but an event or two turned that around and are now our allies.

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The Union lost a lot of ships, they are going to have to do a lot rebuilding. The Krill remind me of the early days of the Klingons and how we were at war but an event or two turned that around and are now our allies.
I suspect the Confederates will launch a massive offensive to kick 'm while they're down
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I think they said the Union lost 32 ships in the attack, plus many more damaged. The Orville itself was heavily damaged. I'm wondering if the next episode will show it magically and instantly repaired and back at it with no mention of how long it was in dry dock?
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Lots of love for the the two part episode. My view? I didn't like it at all. I saw it as an attempt by the The Orville to ape what the current Trek films are like...action, action, and when that fails, more action, supported by a very weak plot line.

One seemingly inescapable predicament after the other followed by one implausible solution after the other. And there was very little Seth style humor which is really why I started watching the Orville in the first place. Luckily we had Gordon channeling Top Gun and wizzing in the corner of the shuttle bay.

What was the message of the show? That because humans have a history of slavery, and that the Kaylons were once enslaved, their prime directive is to seek out all biologicals wherever they are, and destroy them? Weak sauce compared to previous shows that dealt with current social issues such as porn addiction, genital mutilation, sexual persecution, and anti-vaxing. Speaking of the Kaylons, their world sort of reminded me a bit of T2 and the war against the machines, except in their case biological John Conner was not able to send a Terminator back to save the day, and the Kaylons won.

Lastly, I really disliked the CG battle towards the end. Scenes like that give me a headache with the density of the action and all the fast cuts. For me, editing like that makes it very hard to follow what is going on. Star Trek Beyond had the same problem.

Now that Seth has this out of his system, hopefully he can go back to socially relevant episodes with a decent amount of Seth style humor.
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Now that Seth has this out of his system, hopefully he can go back to socially relevant episodes with a decent amount of Seth style humor.
And I'm the exact opposite. I don't tune into a show set in the future and about space exploration to be hit over the head with social issues. Once in a while, fine, but like others have said here it feels like every episode this season is just that.
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Lastly, I really disliked the CG battle towards the end. Scenes like that give me a headache with the density of the action and all the fast cuts. For me, editing like that makes it very hard to follow what is going on. Star Trek Beyond had the same problem.

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Agreed.

Since the overuse of CGI dawned, this kind of swooping, swirling, too fast "cinematography" is rampant in too many flicks. I stopped watching Transformers flicks for this reason after the second one.


They need to study the action scenes in classics like the original Star Wars trilogy or Raiders of the Lost Ark to learn how to choreograph and film action sequences. Being constrained by real physics in the real world makes a difference.

Even effects laden Star Wars ANH was constrained by the physics of physical models, real smoke and fire, and the motions of real cameras on motion control actuators, vs "Do anything, move anyway" that most CGI effects indulge in.
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I think they said the Union lost 32 ships in the attack, plus many more damaged. The Orville itself was heavily damaged. I'm wondering if the next episode will show it magically and instantly repaired and back at it with no mention of how long it was in dry dock?
A thing I like to point out is that ship building is easy, but crewing it? They lost A LOT of good people in that battle. So how do you staff the repaired/rebuilt ships? With trainees fresh out of Union Point (their Academy)? They're trained but not experienced and that knowledge is crucial (or will be crucial) in upcoming times.


How many of the Union ships were NOT in the battle (because of the time it would have taken for the recalled ships to arrive)? I think that the Union is going to have to reallocate crew from existing ships to the repaired/rebuilt ships so that there's at least one person there who can do what is necessary as time progresses.


Would not be surprised if some of the Orville crew got shipped off to the other ships in the fleet.
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A thing I like to point out is that ship building is easy, but crewing it? They lost A LOT of good people in that battle. So how do you staff the repaired/rebuilt ships? With trainees fresh out of Union Point (their Academy)? They're trained but not experienced and that knowledge is crucial (or will be crucial) in upcoming times.


How many of the Union ships were NOT in the battle (because of the time it would have taken for the recalled ships to arrive)? I think that the Union is going to have to reallocate crew from existing ships to the repaired/rebuilt ships so that there's at least one person there who can do what is necessary as time progresses.


Would not be surprised if some of the Orville crew got shipped off to the other ships in the fleet.
I don't think this is the kind of show that would attempt that level of realism. While they may make some mention of the battle, essentially they'll do a reset. I would be greatly surprised, given the nature of this show, if they actually dealt with any of the logical ramifications of such a huge & deadly battle. In addition, given the proximity to earth, all the debris in orbit of all that stellar destruction and associated debris would make earth to space travel exceedingly dangerous for a long time to come.

My bet is they won't deal with any of it. Reset!

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I don't think this is the kind of show that would attempt that level of realism. While they may make some mention of the battle, essentially they'll do a reset. I would be greatly surprised, given the nature of this show, if they actually dealt with any of the rational ramifications of such a huge & deadly battle. In addition, given the proximity to earth, all the debris in orbit of all that stellar destruction would make earth to space travel exceedingly dangerous for a long time to come.

My bet is they won't deal with any of it. Reset!
I think they were still on the outskirts of the Moons orbit. Still a lot of junk (and dead bodies) out there. Maybe at that point in time, they've got a space Roomba or something.
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I think they said the Union lost 32 ships in the attack, plus many more damaged. The Orville itself was heavily damaged. I'm wondering if the next episode will show it magically and instantly repaired and back at it with no mention of how long it was in dry dock?
Well, not to interject Star Trek, but Kirk destroyed the Enterprise in the movies and was awarded a newer updated model by the next movie. Maybe an updated Orville with more capabilities or some retrofits?

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I don't think this is the kind of show that would attempt that level of realism. While they may make some mention of the battle, essentially they'll do a reset. I would be greatly surprised, given the nature of this show, if they actually dealt with any of the logical ramifications of such a huge & deadly battle. In addition, given the proximity to earth, all the debris in orbit of all that stellar destruction and associated debris would make earth to space travel exceedingly dangerous for a long time to come.

My bet is they won't deal with any of it. Reset!
Consider this: one of the very things that Seth M. has said he loved about the original Star Trek was the way it allowed Gene Roddenberry to address the politics of war and racial injustices. If the "next Orville" episode previews on FOX are any indication, it's looking like the Union was so weakened by the Kaylon attack against Earth that they must make peace with the Krill immediately if they hope to survive the long term. This seems to mean that the show will explore the question of how well a (secular) race like 25th-Century Earthlings can work in an alliance with the Krill, their "new best friends" whose religion worships a monotheistic "Avis" and considers all other races of beings to be unworthy scum. Kind of like an allegory about the type of "friends" that the real-life Western Allies have had to make by necessity during the past two decades, eh?

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And I'm the exact opposite. I don't tune into a show set in the future and about space exploration to be hit over the head with social issues. Once in a while, fine, but like others have said here it feels like every episode this season is just that.
Same here. Though a big part of what drew me to the show was the humor. I would like to see more humor again mixed in. I don't mind the occasional social lesson, as long as its not done in a preachy way, and as long as it's not a "preachy lesson of the week". I do think mixing cool Sci Fi with relevant topical issues can be good if done correctly, and not done every week.
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