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According to WIKI the Black Reichswar was dissolved in 1923. Really enjoyed the series for all the reasons mentioned but there seemed to be a couple of "unlikely scenes" in the series finale.

I was reading a post on Reddit where someone mentioned that CPR wasn't invented until later so no way Gareon could have used that to save Charlotte
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I finished watching all 16 episodes last night...really solid show...I give it a B+...overall the sum of its parts was better then the individual storylines...the star is the recreation of 1929 Berlin...you almost never see movies/TV shows depicting the Weimar Era of Germany post WW1 but pre WW2...almost like a lost period of history...fantastic costumes and overall production design...story was a bit convoluted in terms of the train and I'm still not sure I understand all the alliances, double crosses and motives of everyone involved...the breakout star was the actress who played Charlotte (Liv Lisa Fries)

I liked the various subplots and historical details except for the silly subplot involving Gareon and Helga which felt a too soap opera-ish...the real life history they incorporated into the show was well done...I did some research online as I didn't even know that the Black Reichswehr and Trotsky were real life figures...show looked great in 1080p (upscaled to 4K on my LG set) but I think it would have looked stunning in 4K/HDR...missed opportunity there...seems like the show is really setting the stage for the rise of Hitler......now for some spoilers...

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Doesnt seem to be a ton of people watching so im fore going the spoiler tag from this point on. Dont read if you havent watched.

Ill second it should have been in 4k, although it may be they wanted to keep it murky. Lotte's near death was a bit much. Im not buying Anno is the good doctor, with the change up in his Med's I think he's hallucinating all this, pseudo manchurian candidate. Just put there to enunciate the finale imo.

Im not sure the porn issue is done either, I think the Armenian still has something up his sleeve in that regard somewhere. If your right and it is done, seems sorta lazy.


I know it was mentioned the Locomotive is a much later model then would have been used. As has been mentioned, Liv Fries is great. Ill continue watching if for nothing else to follow her character.

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Doesnt seem to be a ton of people watching so im fore going the spoiler tag from this point on. Dont read if you havent watched

in an earlier post you mentioned that you thought the show was as good as Breaking Bad...you think this is that good?...Breaking Bad is probably in my Top 3 of all time shows...Babylon Berlin is very good but I don't put it in the same rare air as BrBd...both shows have the initials of BB though ...Germany is producing some really good content recently...Dark is on another level compared to Babylon Berlin but both shows are impressive...some good German actors as well who would do well here in the USA
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Ive talked to a few Germans and they said the series is their Breaking Bad in the sense of how well it was received. The more ive looked into it the more Im looking forward to the release.

My German friends conveyed that to me, not my opinion. I believe the history of their country gives it a boost to them . I enjoyed watching Lotte's character as much as Walt and Jesse. The characters are stronger in Babylon Berlin, but I liked the story of Dark better.

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After letting this show sink in a bit it is right there with Breaking Bad as my favorite drama. Great writing with actors who can draw you in. I thought about amending my initial thoughts, but Im happy to admit I was wrong.

...you mentioned in a later post that you put it on par with Breaking Bad...I'm just having a little fun and not trying to call you out or anything...maybe you got caught up being a prisoner-of-the-moment...as far as the show not being in 4K, since this isn't a Netflix original and they paid for the rights from another company I'm thinking that the show might have been filmed with 4K cameras and aired in 4K overseas but they didn't give Netflix the 4K rights

*** spoilers follow*** regarding Gareon being under the influence of some Manchurian candidate type of brainwashing and Schmidt not being Anno that's definitely possible but with all the setup they did throughout the season with Helga and the flashbacks of WW1 I'm thinking that he is indeed Anno and the story will be further explained next season...the Helga stuff felt out of place but I guess it makes sense in the end with Anno being alive

the English dubbing for this was horrible...I tried it out for 1 episode and it was really bad...German with English subtitles is the way to go...Netflix Dark probably had the best English dubbing of any series I've ever seen and I actually prefer it over the native German
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I watched all 16 episodes over the last three days. Wow, I loved this series! A highlight was the nightclub music production which was fabulous. The the initial big number was better than anything produced by Busby Berkeley in the 1930's. Note: Liv Lisa Fries, the actress who played Charlotte Ritter can currently be seen playing Greta in 4 episodes of Counterpart on Starz.
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I watched all 16 episodes over the last three days. Wow, I loved this series! A highlight was the nightclub music production which was fabulous. The the initial big number was better than anything produced by Busby Berkeley in the 1930's. Note: Liv Lisa Fries, the actress who played Charlotte Ritter can currently be seen playing Greta in 4 episodes of Counterpart on Starz.
I liked the nighclub music production too. Just one thing though, they didn't have drum gear like that in the 1920s. Most drummers used 26" bass drums back then and I'm not sure you could even get one smaller in those days. Most had just wood finish too. But that's being a bit picky.
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Don't ask me why but I just recently got onto Babylon Berlin. I have been catching up and have now watched all eight episodes of Season 1. It was a treat and I am enthusiastically looking forward to seeing the next eight episodes.

The show's production values are startlingly wonderful. The large amounts of money that were spent on it are evident. The cinematography would worthy of a feature film. The setting, Berlin at its most decadent in the '20s, is a wonderful setting for the wonderful images we are given.

The production's large ensemble cast is very talented. I was particularly impressed by the performances of Liv Lisa Fries as Charlotte Ritter. I had seen her in Counterpart but her role there didn't give her much opportunity to show her talent.

My only knock on the show, a quibble really, is that the plot is so convoluted, if my attention flags, even for a moment, I'm in danger of losing track of what is going on. Paying close attention, though, has rich rewards. Highly recommended!

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I was reading a post on Reddit where someone mentioned that CPR wasn't invented until later so no way Gareon could have used that to save Charlotte
Even if it had, far too much time had elapsed for that "miracle" save. Suspension of disbelief though. Loved the show. Looking forward to Season 3.

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Good news, bad news. There will be a season 3 but filming will begin this October rather than last October.

Variety - Babylon Berlin Season 3
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Good news, bad news. There will be a season 3 but filming will begin this October rather than last October.

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Season 3? What happened to season 2?


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both seasons were combined into 1 super-sized 16 episode season on Netflix...each individual season is actually 8 episodes long
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Thanks, I binged the 16 episodes and didn't seem like 2 distinct seasons.


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Is this in HDR and/or Atmos?

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no HDR...I don't think it has Atmos support either
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I am so looking forward to another season. The previous 16 episodes were the highlight of my TV viewing this year.
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I am so looking forward to another season. The previous 16 episodes were the highlight of my TV viewing this year.
Yeah, Babylon Berlin has been wonderful. Its production values were off the charts, particularly the accurate 1920s costumes and architecture.
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Doesnt seem to be a ton of people watching so im fore going the spoiler tag from this point on. Dont read if you havent watched...
Thanks for the warning. I think you should consider that with Netflix, not all of us are watching as programs are released. After a week in Berlin this summer, I thought I'd try out the series. I enjoy it and am pleased to see another season is in the works. However, I've had to discontinue reading this thread, as you've gone "spoiler free." Regardless of the perceived popularity of a program as you post, preventing spoilers allows those of us late to the party to enjoy the threads at a later time.

If this were a discussion of "Lost," "BSG," or other well-aged programs, I'd have no complaint. But, like "The Expanse," this show remains "new" to viewers a year or two after its release.
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Point noted and taken. I will keep that in mind in the future.


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Thanks for the warning. I think you should consider that with Netflix, not all of us are watching as programs are released. After a week in Berlin this summer, I thought I'd try out the series. I enjoy it and am pleased to see another season is in the works. However, I've had to discontinue reading this thread, as you've gone "spoiler free." Regardless of the perceived popularity of a program as you post, preventing spoilers allows those of us late to the party to enjoy the threads at a later time.

If this were a discussion of "Lost," "BSG," or other well-aged programs, I'd have no complaint. But, like "The Expanse," this show remains "new" to viewers a year or two after its release.

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c'mon now...a year or 2 after release and people still should use spoiler tags?...how about the people that haven't watched the show should avoid threads that explicitly deal with the show...is that really so hard for people to do?...the thread is meant to discuss the show...not wait around for 2 years while everyone who hasn't watched it catches up...I'm all for using spoiler tags for a short while when it comes to Netflix shows but c'mon now- 2 years!!??

in my opinion...a few weeks grace period is fine...or maybe if a Netflix show is 10 episodes maybe waiting 10 weeks would be a nice grace period (the same amount of weeks as if it were airing on a traditional network)...seriously people need to stop expecting everyone else to cater to their specific needs...you can't expect everyone to work around your viewing schedule...it baffles me how people find it so unbelievably difficult to avoid a thread that specifically discusses a show or movie...what on Earth do you expect people to talk about while you are waiting to watch it?...if I haven't watched a movie or TV show there is no way in hell I'm going to go visit a forum thread that deals with that show...that's just plain ludicrous

why would anyone browse a Babylon Berlin thread 1 year after the show was released and expect plot details to not be discussed?...I'm seriously baffled by the lack of common sense I see on these forums from some people
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You're right. With episodic weekly broadcast shows, I'd avoid threads if I was behind until I'd caught up with my DVR. I looked at streaming programs differently. And really, this long after the show dropped, I was unrealistic to suggest the discussion use spoiler tags. Everything would be tagged as the show aged.

I'll come back to the thread after I've finished the first/second season.


I found the show's website. It has several videos, interviews of cast, crew and writers, and a good look at the backlot construction and use of Berliner Strasse (Berlin Street) at Babelsberg Studios. "Skimming" this thread, I did not see a previously posted link.

https://babylon-berlin.com/en/behind...ual-set-visit/

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Well, I finishedy the series and enjoyed it tremendously. Sorry about the earlier "spoiler" post. I was being unreasonable. Must have been something I had for breakfast.

Now, is "Anno" really "Anno?" Is Gereon under hypnotic suggestion? What was going on with the tinkering with Gereon's morphine? Why was Mrs. Rath visiting Nyssen?

I may need to watch the whole thing again just to sort it all out. Or search out episode summaries on the web.

Will reading the novels (in translation) provide answers?
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Well, I finishedy the series and enjoyed it tremendously. Sorry about the earlier "spoiler" post. I was being unreasonable. Must have been something I had for breakfast.

Now, is "Anno" really "Anno?" Is Gereon under hypnotic suggestion? What was going on with the tinkering with Gereon's morphine? Why was Mrs. Rath visiting Nyssen?

I may need to watch the whole thing again just to sort it all out. Or search out episode summaries on the web.

Will reading the novels (in translation) provide answers?
maybe we'll get those answers in Season 2 (or is it Season 3 according to German television rules)...this was a very lavish production and that's what stands out to me even more then the story itself...the standout actor was Liv Lisa Fries (Charlotte)...my go to sequence in the series is the ending sequence in Episode 2 with the singer and the shootout...amazing choreography...

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Filming is about wrapped up. Premieres in Germany in November so hopefully Netflix get's it out Early 2020. Sounds like it will be a great season.

Based on the crime novels of the German writer Volker Kutscher, "Babylon Berlin" follows a police detective in the capital of the Weimar Republic — the decadent city of Berlin — before the rise of Nazism.

The show's first season has a 100% Rotten Tomatoes critic score. NPR described the series as exploring "the Weimar era's raging nightlife, flourishing cabaret scene, and brutal criminal underbelly."

"In the '20s, it was really the capital of the world. And nobody really knows about it because, of course, the monstrosity of the Nazi period afterwards is so huge," the show's cocreator, Achim von Borries, told NPR last year.

"We had some really famous serial killers, some really ugly crimes that came from Berlin and that created a myth about the darkness and the filthiness of the city," the writer and director Tom Tykwer added.


Henk Handloegten, one of the show's creators, told The Wall Street Journal last year that the third season will track through the stock market crash of 1929 and the country's resulting devastation.

"One of the main reasons to make 'Babylon Berlin' was to show how all these Nazis did not just fall from the sky," he told The Journal. "They were human beings who reacted to German society's changes and made their decisions accordingly."

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Based on the crime novels of the German writer Volker Kutscher, "Babylon Berlin" follows a police detective in the capital of the Weimar Republic — the decadent city of Berlin — before the rise of Nazism.

The show's first season has a 100% Rotten Tomatoes critic score. NPR described the series as exploring "the Weimar era's raging nightlife, flourishing cabaret scene, and brutal criminal underbelly."

"In the '20s, it was really the capital of the world. And nobody really knows about it because, of course, the monstrosity of the Nazi period afterwards is so huge," the show's cocreator, Achim von Borries, told NPR last year.

"We had some really famous serial killers, some really ugly crimes that came from Berlin and that created a myth about the darkness and the filthiness of the city," the writer and director Tom Tykwer added.


Henk Handloegten, one of the show's creators, told The Wall Street Journal last year that the third season will track through the stock market crash of 1929 and the country's resulting devastation.

"One of the main reasons to make 'Babylon Berlin' was to show how all these Nazis did not just fall from the sky," he told The Journal. "They were human beings who reacted to German society's changes and made their decisions accordingly."
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