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well that would suck,.
No kidding. The only silver lining is that it would be something to build on for next year. In '97, the Falcons went 1-7 and then 6-2. The next year they went 14-2 and humiliated the Vikings in the NFC championship game to go to the SB.


Right now, one could make a case for the Dolphins sweeping the Meadowlands and then coming home to beat the Bengals. Who knows the Pats may even be resting for the final game. They could end up 6-10 and picking 11th in the draft. Worse is if the Steelers and Texans both make the playoffs.

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unreal that the Jets have the NFL’s No. 1 ranked rushing defense— and eighth overall...with all the injuries and no name players on defense it's amazing what DC Gregg Williams has done with this unit...
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unreal that the Jets have the NFL’s No. 1 ranked rushing defense— and eighth overall...with all the injuries and no name players on defense it's amazing what DC Gregg Williams has done with this unit...
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unreal that the Jets have the NFL’s No. 1 ranked rushing defense— and eighth overall...with all the injuries and no name players on defense it's amazing what DC Gregg Williams has done with this unit...
5th best defense in DVOA and 15th in the Aikmans.

Maybe give Gaze one more year to turn it around!
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Lets not forget what else the Jets have...
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5th best defense in DVOA and 15th in the Aikmans.

Maybe give Gaze one more year to turn it around!
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what's up with Nick Foles??...he's been awful so far with the Jags...

That's too bad, he's one of the good guys in the National Felon League. Speaking of which, cheap pick from 'roidboy Edelman yesterday. Surprisingly, he was flagged for it.
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With his aggressive running style which favored running over players instead of around them, questions began to arise over how long Campbell could stay healthy.[34] "He runs with a lot of reckless abandon," said Ron Johnson, a former running back whose own career was cut short. "You can run like that in college. But you can't do that for 10 years and hope to survive."[34] Pittsburgh Steelers running back Franco Harris said "Knocking over people can look very good but you can't do it forever. Sometimes it's going to be somebody else who knocks you over ... so the most important thing I think isn't to get a few extra yards every time but to make sure you're healthy enough to play."[34] Bum Phillips, though, favored Campbell's running style. "I've been looking for a back like Earl," he said. "I'm not going to change his style. Why would I? You don't want a guy who gets hit and then flops on the ground. Earl does the same thing other backs do, only better."[34]

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Miami leading late against the Eagles? Bengals on top of the Jets?


Meanwhile, Pats fans better start worrying about the Ravens. Some of my friends are, some aren't.
The ones that aren't are banking on Brady using the nobody thinks we are any good motivation. Problem is twofold, they look lethargic and unmotivated and Jackson and the Ravens are rolling. LJ could be the future of QB's who have a lifespan of running backs and are gone in 7 years instead of 20.
I Think Ravens are heavily favored but I wouldn't bet against Pats or BB because they seem to find a way, odds are heavily against them.

Still a great week, Cowboys lost twice in 7 days, Fins won although I'd preferred they lost to further inflict misery on Dallas and move Eagles up.

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...Speaking of which, cheap pick from 'roidboy Edelman yesterday. Surprisingly, he was flagged for it.
He gets away with a lot of cheap shots.. this time he finally got caught. He plays with a lot of anger and rage.. the juice will do that. Sometimes it seems he can barely contain it.
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it's over ...Brady is looking old...defense is carrying that team...Baltimore has always been the Pats kryptonite in the playoffs and this year looks no different
The Pats are definitely not as good as was first described when they played a lot of bad teams. Saying Brady is looking old is just wrong (other than it is literally true). The offensive line is not that good so no really consistent running game and they lack skill players so Brady does not have a lot of options.

So in other words, this "old" qb who doesn't have a ton of options is playing on a subpar 9-2 team. What a loser!

Anyhow, there is still about 1/3 of the season left and so the Patriots have time to try to correct this and/or bad things can happen to other teams. For example, if LJ on Baltimore gets hurt, that team is going to be a heck of a lot worse than they are now. I'm not saying that to jinx him, its just that running qbs in this league ultimately usually get hurt or dinged up.

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what's up with Nick Foles??...he's been awful so far with the Jags...does he only play well with the Eagles?...cheese steaks helping him?
I think that he's not back from the injury mentally and/or physically. Additionally, the Jags' vaunted defense has been devaunted if I may coin a word.
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I think that he's not back from the injury mentally and/or physically. Additionally, the Jags' vaunted defense has been devaunted if I may coin a word.
Or maybe he just isn't that good.

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Or maybe he just isn't that good.
Yeah, maybe it was really Carson Wentz in the Superbowl posing as Nick Foles.

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I know your one of Bum's fans...
Bum Phillips coached when football was football.

And Earl Campbell was a great running back the only knock on that era they did get really roughed up. But that's what the sport is your going to get hurt.

Today rule changes try to protect them but has hurt the game it's watered down.

Faster and better conditioned players and a lot more phony.

And it's why no one say's anymore "that was a great game".

Because there not.
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Yeah, maybe it was really Carson Wentz in the Superbowl posing as Nick Foles.
And maybe he would have.

Lets look at the facts. When Foles took over in '17, the Eagles had the 3rd, 2nd and 4th best offense in the league by NFL, Aikman and DVOA ratings. Similarly the defense was top 4 in all three rankings. It wasn't like he took over a mediocre offense and turned them into the Greatest Show on Turf. He did a good job directing a top level offense and winning a SB. If he was a great QB, then why has he been basically a back up his entire career. The year in St Louis went horrible and now this year hasn't been good.

Honestly, I think the Jags should keep him for next year. The cap hit is to big and he has proven to be one of the best backups in league. Let him and Minshew compete in camp to see who is the starter and go from there. Maybe a new coach will have an offense more suited to him.

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I've done this before but . . .

When Foles went to the Eagles, the Eagles dismantled their offense and got rid of their skill players and shredded their defense. Foles often had to play catch up ball at Philly due to the awful defense. After Kelly was canned, Wentz was brought in and then Foles was relegated to back up. Two seasons there he proved himself as a very good qb every time he had to sub for Wentz.

I'm familiar with Foles since he played in my home town college. He was not initially a starter because he didn't shine in practice but once he got the field, he was outstanding. In fact, the fans couldn't believe this guy sat on the bench for so long.

With the Jags, he played less than one game and got injured throwing a beautiful td pass and had to miss about 6 or 7 games. Maybe he still has it or maybe he doesn't but I'd give the guy a chance and not judge him based upon his return after this injury.

So yeah I'm prejudiced in favor of Foles because he is a home town hero and a great guy but I was one of the few people who thought he could win in the superbowl and he came up with a performance for the ages. There are a lot of really good players out there who don't get chances because of the system and coaches they play for. There also seems like a bunch of guys who get too many chances based upon their lack of ability or effort. I think Foles has had some chances but they seem to be interrupted constantly with changes or injuries. I hope he gets the chance to prove himself in an uninterrupted fashion.
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I've done this before but . . .

When Foles went to the Eagles, the Eagles dismantled their offense and got rid of their skill players and shredded their defense. Foles often had to play catch up ball at Philly due to the awful defense. After Kelly was canned, Wentz was brought in and then Foles was relegated to back up. Two seasons there he proved himself as a very good qb every time he had to sub for Wentz.

I'm familiar with Foles since he played in my home town college. He was not initially a starter because he didn't shine in practice but once he got the field, he was outstanding. In fact, the fans couldn't believe this guy sat on the bench for so long.

With the Jags, he played less than one game and got injured throwing a beautiful td pass and had to miss about 6 or 7 games. Maybe he still has it or maybe he doesn't but I'd give the guy a chance and not judge him based upon his return after this injury.

So yeah I'm prejudiced in favor of Foles because he is a home town hero and a great guy but I was one of the few people who thought he could win in the superbowl and he came up with a performance for the ages. There are a lot of really good players out there who don't get chances because of the system and coaches they play for. There also seems like a bunch of guys who get too many chances based upon their lack of ability or effort. I think Foles has had some chances but they seem to be interrupted constantly with changes or injuries. I hope he gets the chance to prove himself in an uninterrupted fashion.
last week was a really bad game for him.

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Saying Brady is looking old is just wrong (other than it is literally true). The offensive line is not that good so no really consistent running game and they lack skill players so Brady does not have a lot of options.
To me it seems like the Pats now have an "average" O-line vs. the gold standard O-line they had in the past which protected him from everything up to and including a sunburn.
A "young" QB when faced with pressure sprints out of the pocket trying to make a play where Brady can't/wont do that any longer and just dumps the ball and does his hit the dirt/fetal curl thing... it makes him look old.


Brady has had the best of the best coaching, O-line, receivers and TE for the last 5yrs... now he's dealing with more average talent around him. He is finally having to "make do" with what other QB's have to put up with every Sunday. If the east wasn't such a cakewalk (other than the Bills) they could quite possibly be 8-4 right now.
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To me it seems like the Pats now have an "average" O-line vs. the gold standard O-line they had in the past which protected him from everything up to and including a sunburn.
A "young" QB when faced with pressure sprints out of the pocket trying to make a play where Brady can't/wont do that any longer and just dumps the ball and does his hit the dirt/fetal curl thing... it makes him look old.


Brady has had the best of the best coaching, O-line, receivers and TE for the last 5yrs... now he's dealing with more average talent around him. He is finally having to "make do" with what other QB's have to put up with every Sunday. If the east wasn't such a cakewalk (other than the Bills) they could quite possibly be 8-4 right now.
I definitely do not agree with this. He has had good possession receivers and Gronk when he was healthy but he has almost never had marquee receivers that other teams have had. And I don't recall a season where the Pats had both a great passing + running game at the same time.

I know there are a bunch of haters out there but Brady has not been a flashy guy. He mainly throws possession passes and is smart enough to usually take what the defense gives him. He is vulnerable to a pass rush because he isn't mobile or fast. But he has been consistent throughout his career and great in the clutch. I guess I need to remind posters that the Pats are 9 - 2. The defense is good but not great and the offense is good to fair. Maybe that is more a comment on the rest of the AFC.

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last week was a really bad game for him.
And your point is what?

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And your point is what?
well..when you have a really bad game, with 2 not so good games before that...that can lead to a benching.

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I definitely do not agree with this. He has had good possession receivers and Gronk when he was healthy but he has almost never had marquee receivers that other teams have had. And I don't recall a season where the Pats had both a great passing + running game at the same time.

I know there are a bunch of haters out there but Brady has not been a flashy guy. He mainly throws possession passes and is smart enough to usually take what the defense gives him. He is vulnerable to a pass rush because he isn't mobile or fast. But he has been consistent throughout his career and great in the clutch. I guess I need to remind posters that the Pats are 9 - 2. The defense is good but not great and the offense is good to fair. Maybe that is more a comment on the rest of the AFC.
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I definitely do not agree with this. He has had good possession receivers and Gronk when he was healthy but he has almost never had marquee receivers that other teams have had.
Those "possession receivers and Gronk" were enough to get them to a few SB's, again with a stellar O-Line.
Now that those "possession receivers and Gronk" and the O-Line are gone/replaced with more average receivers and linemen (like other teams have) his numbers are middling at best.. Brady is currently ranked number 17 out of 31 QB's.
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2006 #2
2007 #1
2008 #9 Matt Cassel
2009 #5
2010 #1
2011 #4
2012 #2
2013 #11
2014 #3
2015 #5
2016 #2
2017 #3
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AB makes his case to re-sign with the Pats.

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