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The Irishman- Netflix (Scorsese + De Niro + Pacino)

I've been looking forward to this ever since it was announced as a feature film but then later transitioned into a Netflix feature...directed by legendary director Martin Scorsese and starring Robert De Niro and Al Pacino this brings together the trio for their first ever collaboration...and yes it's a mobster film...only the third movie ever starring both De Niro and Pacino-- Godfather 2 (1974), Heat (1995) and Righteous Kill (2008)...Heat was the first one where they actually appeared on-screen together and was epic

The Irishman is based on the 2003 book 'I Heard You Paint Houses' by Charles Brandt, which recounts the years Frank "The Irishman" Sheeran spent as a mob hitman...Brandt interviewed Sheeran over a five-year period, during which the mobster confessed to being involved in more than 25 hits for the mob...Sheeran was allegedly involved in the death of legendary mob boss Jimmy Hoffa, who went missing in July 1975 and was never found...De Niro is taking on the role of Sheeran, while Al Pacino is taking on Jimmy Hoffa...both men are playing the gangsters across decades...Scorsese is using the same technology David Fincher used on The Curious Case of Benjamin Button to de-age the actors...the cast also includes Ray Romano and Joe Pesci, who is coming out of retirement to reunite with his Goodfellas director

the film will get a limited theatrical release this Fall followed by its Netflix debut...oh yeah this is going to be epic!

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only the third movie ever starring both De Niro and Pacino-- Godfather 2 (1974), Heat (1995) and Righteous Kill (2008)...Heat was the first one where they actually appeared on-screen together
Technically, no, they never actually appear on camera together at the same time in Heat either. Their meeting scene is comprised entirely of over-the-shoulder shots where you only see one actor's face at a time. This has led to much suspicion that the stars were not actually on set together, but Michael Mann denies that.

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Technically, no, they never actually appear on camera together at the same time in Heat either. Their meeting scene is comprised entirely of over-the-shoulder shots where you only see one actor's face at a time. This has led to much suspicion that the stars were not actually on set together, but Michael Mann denies that.
if Michael Mann denies it then why is this even a question?...I'm sure they filmed their scenes together...not just the diner scene but there was also the scene right before it where Pacino catches up to De Niro's character on the highway and asks him to talk at the diner...or the ending with the chase on the airport tarmac...
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if Michael Mann denies it then why is this even a question?...
Well, if the actors really were on set together, it's puzzling why Mann would shoot the scene in such a way that you never see these two legendary stars interact with one another or play off each other's expressions and mannerisms. The way the scene is staged is almost amateurish (which is very uncharacteristic for Mann) and screams of body double stand-ins whenever you see the back of one character's head.

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I'm sure they filmed their scenes together...not just the diner scene but there was also the scene right before it where Pacino catches up to De Niro's character on the highway and asks him to talk at the diner...or the ending with the chase on the airport tarmac...
Again, their faces never appear on screen at the same time in any of those scenes, except for one obvious VFX shot with Pacino's reflection on the car window next to De Niro.

This whole thing could be totally benign. These were busy actors in the primes of their careers, and perhaps their schedules just never lined up where Mann could get them to shoot on the same days. But it's a notable disappointment in a movie that greatly hyped up the two actors working together for the first time.

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Well, if the actors really were on set together, it's puzzling why Mann would shoot the scene in such a way that you never see these two legendary stars interact with one another or play off each other's expressions and mannerisms. The way the scene is staged is almost amateurish (which is very uncharacteristic for Mann) and screams of body double stand-ins whenever you see the back of one character's head.



Again, their faces never appear on screen at the same time in any of those scenes, except for one obvious VFX shot with Pacino's reflection on the car window next to De Niro.

This whole thing could be totally benign. These were busy actors in the primes of their careers, and perhaps their schedules just never lined up where Mann could get them to shoot on the same days. But it's a notable disappointment in a movie that greatly hyped up the two actors working together for the first time.
Was there ever any buzz about the two not getting along? Just curious.
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Was there ever any buzz about the two not getting along? Just curious.
Not that I'm aware of. They did Righteous Kill together later and actually shared extensive screen time in that one. (It's not a very good movie, unfortunately.)
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I hope this can put to rest the silly rumors that Pacino and De Niro didn't shoot any of their scenes together on Heat...

https://www.slashfilm.com/heat-diner-scene/
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first-look images from the upcoming gangster film starring Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, and Joe Pesci...

https://ew.com/film-festivals/2019/0...opening-night/

instead of all that time and $$ spent on de-aging effects they should have used the same motion capture technology that Ang Lee is using for his upcoming movie Gemini Man
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The Irishman- Official Teaser

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Netflix Unveils Release Plans for Martin Scorsese’s ‘The Irishman’

In its most ambitious ever theatrical rollout plan for one of its original productions, Netflix will give The Irishman a 27-day theatrical window before the film makes its streaming service bow on November 27th...

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/n...se-1203315270/
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The Irishman (Official Trailer Premiere)

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the mob drama made its highly-anticipated debut at the New York Film Festival, and it was met with rave reviews from critics...The Irishman clocks in at a staggering 209 minutes, or three hours and 29 minutes...

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Can't wait!!!

And I would definitely add Pesci to the title! There's no real gangster movie without Joe Pesci!
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And I would definitely add Pesci to the title! There's no real gangster movie without Joe Pesci!
I'm not sure this is going to be as much of a gangster film as people think...people are expecting it based on the cast- De Niro, Pacino, Pesci, Keitel etc but I don't think this is going to be on the level of Goodfellas or Casino...I think it'll be a great Scorsese movie but I'm not expecting a classic gangster story
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‘The Irishman’ review: Scorsese, De Niro and Pesci triumph

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OG's- Pesci, Pacino, Scorsese, De Niro and Keitel at the red carpet premiere of The Irishman in NY...

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The Irishman | The Acting | Netflix

epic ensemble of actors!

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Wonder how many nap breaks they had during the day.

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Wonder how many nap breaks they had during the day.
aren't you older then all of them?...they don't call you old-c-band for nothing (c stands for curmudgeon)
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according to industry buzz Netflix is a heavy favorite to win Best Picture at the 2020 Oscars with either The Irishman or the upcoming Marriage Story (debuts in December)...Alfonso Cuaron's Roma was nominated last year and almost won but this might be the year that a streaming service changes the movie industry forever
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according to industry buzz Netflix is a heavy favorite to win Best Picture at the 2020 Oscars with either The Irishman or the upcoming Marriage Story (debuts in December)...Alfonso Cuaron's Roma was nominated last year and almost won but this might be the year that a streaming service changes the movie industry forever
A last hurrah for the old guard? The Irishman is just that - looking forward to catching it tomorrow or soon after
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according to industry buzz Netflix is a heavy favorite to win Best Picture at the 2020 Oscars with either The Irishman or the upcoming Marriage Story (debuts in December)...Alfonso Cuaron's Roma was nominated last year and almost won but this might be the year that a streaming service changes the movie industry forever
Marty wants his cake and others', too. After bashing streaming-prevalent Marvel movies as not being cinema, it would be hypocritical of him to accept an Oscar nom, especially for a film full of napping has-beens.

Just half-kidding. I don't have a problem with an exceptional paid-for-by-streaming-service movie winning an Oscar, but The Irishman from the sleepy clips I've seen isn't in the same realm as Roma.

Nor is ScarJo and Driver's streaming fluff vehicle. Some sleepy support in that one, too, with Liotta, Dern, Alda.

Let's be patient and wait for good stuff.

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Marty wants his cake and others', too. After bashing streaming-prevalent Marvel movies as not being cinema, it would be hypocritical of him to accept an Oscar nom, especially for a film full of napping has-beens.

Just half-kidding. I don't have a problem with an exceptional paid-for-by-streaming-service movie winning an Oscar, but The Irishman from the sleepy clips I've seen isn't in the same realm as Roma.

Nor is ScarJo and Driver's streaming fluff vehicle. Some sleepy support in that one, too, with Liotta, Dern, Alda.

Let's be patient and wait for good stuff.
he wasn't bashing the Marvel movies because they are on streaming services...he was bashing them regarding the quality of the films themselves...the MCU movies are not exclusive to Netflix or any other streaming service...they are released theatrically for a period of months and then move to Blu-ray and streaming...The Irishman got a limited theatrical run but will mostly be a streaming title...if you think Scorsese movies are sleep inducing then you're not who this movie is made for...Scorsese is one of the greatest directors in movie history (Goodfellas, Casino, Raging Bull etc)

sounds like Spider Man and Avatar are more your type of movies...movies operate on different levels for me...I don't compare Star Wars to Goodfellas- 2 totally different genres...both highly entertaining but in different ways
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he wasn't bashing the Marvel movies because they are on streaming services...he was bashing them regarding the quality of the films themselves...the MCU movies are not exclusive to Netflix or any other streaming service...they are released theatrically for a period of months and then move to Blu-ray and streaming...The Irishman got a limited theatrical run but will mostly be a streaming title...if you think Scorsese movies are sleep inducing then you're not who this movie is made for...Scorsese is one of the greatest directors in movie history (Goodfellas, Casino, Raging Bull etc)

sounds like Spider Man and Avatar are more your type of movies...movies operate on different levels for me...I don't compare Star Wars to Goodfellas- 2 totally different genres...both highly entertaining but in different ways
Did you not see my reference to that? He claims they are not "cinema".

Marvel's streaming association is pretty clear and will remain so.

Months in theaters? Now we're talking weeks, which isn't a detriment these days. Hardly any movies have long runs anymore.

Marty's over the hill like his nappers.

Comparisons of good to garbage? No, I don't do that, and I didn't think you did that either. Good luck with Oscars for The Irishman and Marriage Story.

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Did you not see my reference to that? He claims they are not "cinema".

Marvel's streaming association is pretty clear and will remain so
Scorsese was using the word 'cinema' in an artistic sense...he wasn't referring to the actual physical movie theater...he was stating that he doesn't consider the MCU art in the same way as lets say The Godfather or Apocalypse Now or Silence of the Lambs etc

The Irishman is pretty much a direct to streaming movie while the Marvel movies all had normal theatrical runs
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Scorsese was using the word 'cinema' in an artistic sense...he wasn't referring to the actual physical movie theater...he was stating that he doesn't consider the MCU art in the same way as lets say The Godfather or Apocalypse Now or Silence of the Lambs etc

The Irishman is pretty much a direct to streaming movie while the Marvel movies all had normal theatrical runs
I understood that.

Associations with streaming are clear, and Marty's a new addition. With some there is still a divide. Marty's purity is lost with his latest cheese.

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I understood that.

Associations with streaming are clear, and Marty's a new addition. With some there is still a divide. Marty's purity is lost with his latest cheese.
Scorsese tried to get the movie financed the traditional way but no one would bite...cost was a major issue as the de-aging technology used in the movie was crazy expensive and studios were hesitant to pay up...so in the end he accepted the Netflix deal because they gave him everything he wanted...Scorsese is still an old school traditionalist in that he wants his movies released in theaters but he also understands the times we live in and how a streaming platform like Netflix can help him...if Irishman wins Best Picture then it might be the start of a new era
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As long as we get some good ole fasioned Pacino rants/soliloquy's out of this, I'm all in
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...time for a Kirk/Shatner vs Pacino Speech Face Off!







See kids, dat's called "acting".

No de-aging, no CGI, no quick-cut-jerky-cam.
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